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But yes, Braun's case was a true technicality. It was, IIRC, a chain-of-evidence issue where the sample containing his urine was mailed to the central laboratory a day or two later than it ought to have been. Nobody alleged how this lateness could have affected the chemical composition of the sample (nor were there allegations of tampering with the sample), it was just a pure "you didn't follow the rules to the letter, so I walk free." Fine. As I said above, that is the (in many ways laudable) outcome of a failure to follow proper procedure. But how you get from that to "so obviously nobody can justifiably think Ryan Braun was a PED user!" is a mystery to me.
The outcome was proper. That is the entire point that you fail to grasp, because you're not interested in fairness or due process.
Hits Over Normally Obtainable Replacements.
Because it keeps manifesting the "baseball players are dopers" meme. However, it also pushes the "MLB is cleaning up its act with tough testing!" meme, and I think given the extreme pervasiveness of PEDs in sport, the latter is the prevalent one at this point.
I think he grasps it; however, I think he might have a problem grasping the "proper" modifier on occasion.
its course, got leaked. Had the "system" really operated the way is was intended and negotiated to operate, we wouldn't even know about the whole
Baun/Fedex affair. Right?
looks in thread, does a spit take...
But isn't it rumored that Braun's people leaked it?
why on earth would Braun's people leak it?
well sure it quite possibly may be true if you throw out political threads...
Yes, much like the way Charlie Comiskey unfairly suffered by losing eight of his players -- including several of his best stars -- for something he didn't even do!
So the answer to your question as to the vast majority of these people is yes, I'm a better person than they are. I do more for society, I'm smarter, I'm better educated, and better behaved. I'm better adjusted. So, by all accounts, are you and, I'd venture, most of the people who post here.
(*) None of this is, of course, to denigrate the enjoyment we all get from baseball, the institution.
On the issue of steroids, Ryan Braun has more honor than you ever will.
Oh, good lord.
EDIT: Heck, here I am all the way back in 2007:Pretty much the same tone (and point of view) then as now.
#### YOU.
My impression of "you" was formed by political threads- maybe I just accidentally saw your only political posts,
I honestly don't have an impression regarding what you write on PEDs threads but I assume you are more civil than Kevin was (everyone is) and more logically coherent than Andy (everyone is)
I don't see how you can know any of those things about yourself in comparison to Ryan Braun (with the exception of better educated, which I'd argue is the least important).
I get wanting to avoid seeing personal nobility and morality in how a guy plays baseball, but I don't get where the assumption that baseball players are unintelligent and don't do much for society comes from. Or do you just have a really high estimation of the people here at BTF? I'm pretty comfortable in guessing that most MLB players are better people than me on those scores (again, with the exception of education).
Neither has aged well.
You must have failed to encounter one of the regular steroid-thread posters here.
Are you throwing your hat into the ring for the "History's Greatest Monster" competition? IIRC, the 41 slots before snapper are open.
Are you suggesting that educating yourself and making the sacrifices to educate yourself for citizenship and life is an ethically neutral endeavor?
And neither has...your mom?
Hmmmm, so far I'm routinely mocked and / or damned by Nieporent, Ray, Kehoskie, tfbg9, GoodFace, and now Johnny Sycophant. That's quite an All-Star lineup of assorted geniuses and statesmen.
Ahhh, but fuck it, I'm holding out for Nixon.
Is that why people do it? Or to simply pull in more scratch.
BTW, is it me, or are your dentures a little crooked today?
If the result of education was leading one to believe that they're automatically superior to people they've never met, then it may not even be ethically neutral.
Not yet, but I'll thank you not to mention my hairline.
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BUT DO YOU HAVE HONOR
Depends. How much you want for it?
Wear a hat.
now? What do you mean now? I've been mocking your PEDs stance for years, and you've only just noticed now?
Am I that forgettable?
Nope all taken. My ACORM database is extremely comprehensive.
And Greg is Canadian. Like the worst thing he's ever done is trespass on a zoo.
To pick up litter.
so while any suspension would be disappointing it would not be surprising
and i would only be disappointed relative to the brewers season
But it's covered in gravy and cheese.
Am I that forgettable?
Refresh my memory: How does that 5th Amendment thingy go?
But anyway, the prior honor roll consists of those who mock or damn me even when they're agreeing with what I'm saying, but can't even bring themselves to acknowledge it, for fear of being a RINO or something. You haven't yet quite achieved that lofty peak, but as Jack Webb always said, "In America, there's always a tomorrow."
And as a tip, you might want to reconsider your posts in that Trout thread. You've come dangerously close to agreeing with me 100% on that issue.
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Depends. How much you want for it?
FOR BESMIRCHING MY HONOR BY SUGGESTING THAT I WOULD PURCHASE HONOR, I CHALLENGE YOU TO BAT'LETHS AT DAWN
Sorry, I'm not a morning person. What about nine ball at midnight?
Which still places him in the running for History's Greatest Monster -- Canadian Division.
I don't think there's any poster I've disagreed with 100% of the time, you would be a really odd place to start...
Because.
The best way to beat this problem is make a post, then set your computer on fire and throw the smoldering remains into the deepest nearby body of water.
Buy a new computer, log back in, and you probably won't double post if you come back into the thread.
(but only probably)
This reminds me of this strip.
Well, it doesn't seem to be having a deterring effect.
No, just that in a list of contributing to society, education, intelligence, and good behaviour (though that's a doozie, a lot depends on what that means), education is the one I'm not too bothered about when evaluating what kind of human being someone is. Maybe it's just because of my perspective as a heavily over-educated individual...but if I only have knowledge of a person in one of those four areas, education is the one I'm least confident of drawing any conclusions about them as a human being from.
EDIT: sorry for taking so long to respond. More adventures in education! (I just spent the last hour updating my footnotes).
DOUBLE EDIT: I also see I missed out on some Canadian hi-jinks. You all are lucky I happened to be occupied while you were besmirching the honour of Canada, or I'd have been forced to politely take in good humour.
You'd run the risk of people not having anything to get whipped up into a frothy moral panic about.
And God said, Let there be light adult contemporary: and there was Phil Collins.
Only for players with bloated contracts.
The first time I read this handle, my brain broke it down as doe-snot-suk and I thought, well, that's a bit harsh...
And then God said, let us make him in the image of Popeye.
I would never argue that Genesis is objectively the GREATEST group of all time (my nominees there would be standard and boring), but they've been my FAVORITE act for as long as I've been a serious music fan, which is impressive because the other four slots in my notional top five have all been pretty much up for grabs over time (only The Who has also managed to hold on with such tenacity).
Reminds me of this song
(Fair enough, though: de gustibus and all that.)
RF Ichiro
SS Jeter
3B Youk
1B Tex
DH Hafner
LF Rivera
2B Nunez
CF Gardner
C Stewart
CHAMPIONSHIP
I wonder if the story will actually turn out be true.
a) Doubtful. In the world of cycling, top riders are now being fired for suspicious activities (basically they have to account for their location 24*7*52). Not noticing any affect.
b) Why would the PA go for this?
c) It is worth noting that the rates of positive tests are way down from round 1 (supposedly anonymous, no penalties). In a sense it's pretty much what happened with recreational drugs. Probable cause testing hasn't completely eliminated them, but it's no longer the PR crisis that it was in the mid-80s.
I am not a Genesis, Collins, or Peter Gabriel fan, but to tell you the truth, I was just looking for an excuse to use my Guy Woodhouse line.
It'll never happen, and not only because the union would object. The clubs have been wildly successful at directing attention away from their own elbow-deep culpability in the steroid problem, with the assistance of the equally compromised sports media. That accomplished, no team wants to be the first one to take the public relations hit when they DON'T ostentatiously cut ties with the first player who happens to be far too valuable to dump.
And with that BTF's long search for history's greatest monster comes to an end.
Make it a tie, then. I love "Against All Odds," it's a great break-up song. And let me tell you, I'm great at getting broken up with.
If a player's contract was automatically terminated, he was suspended for 1 year from the date of the end of his appeal, and the team was still charged with the full price of the player's contract (but the money was turned over to, say, the RBI program) would that work for deterrence.
Anybody who's using these days has been assured by somebody that he trusts that it's either legal (or if you prefer permitted under the CBA -- legality need not matter here) and/or undetectable.
I'm more of a "Dead Flowers" man, myself.
I don't think the endgame has ever been stamping out use entirely, beyond the odd press release. Testing is really there to make it very difficult to do successfully and for the whole system to serve as a major deterrent. It's about a "cleaner" game, and not a "totally clean" game. Someday, it will be about ending PED use entirely. Until then, it's about changing the culture of the game away from drug use and stigmatizing it.
was that the day he He was resting?
I think this is more commonly known as a Santorum.
I thought none of the people here actually enjoyed baseball - we just enjoy using it to look smarter than everyone else.
Juan, Ruben, or Mariano?
Serious question: What is the general suspicion of PED usage among big leaguers now vs. pre-testing? I'd guess it's down substantially, which would indicate that there has been a deterring effect. But do others believe the usage rates are the same as (or even greater than) before?
I have no idea if this rumor is true or not, but the convoluted thinking around these kind of accusations is on full display in the article. He writes "[A-Rod's] body broke down and his play substantially declined right around the time MLB starting stricter testing," as though it's evidence that A-Rod used to be using and then stopped when they implemented testing. If that's the case, then how is it possible that A-Rod just failed a test?
Giveaway clues that a player is juicing:
- He breaks down
- He displays remarkable durability
- His performance spikes
- He displays remarkable consistency
- He peaks late
- He peaks early
- He has brown eyes
- He has blue eyes
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