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Tuesday, March 18, 2014

Russell Martin: Replacing me with McCann was ‘expensive mistake’

Russell’s paradox…a new angle.

“It becomes an expensive mistake, no question,” Martin told The Post before the Pirates-Yankees game at McKechnie Field was canceled by rain on Monday. “They can’t turn back the clock. They went and got a good guy who, offensively, puts up better numbers than I have and so costs a lot of money. I love McCann. They got a good one.”

McCann’s numbers slipped last year, but the Yankees are confident his left-handed swing will fit perfectly at Yankee Stadium. The 30-year-old catcher had an OPS of .796 with Atlanta a year ago, while Martin finished at .703.

And while Martin, 31, says he doesn’t dwell on his departure from the Yankees, he can’t help but think of what might have been.

“Personally, I thought it was a mistake,” Martin said. “There are no hard feelings. I definitely didn’t feel like it was in the general manager’s hands at that point. I always believed [Brian] Cashman and [assistant GM Billy] Eppler and the coaching staff did want me back. I had some presence and a good impact on the team. But the money doesn’t come from them and I felt at the time, they had different priorities and I wasn’t at the top of the list.”

Any hope the Yankees had of reaching ownership’s goal of $189 million was foiled by the failure of any of the organization’s young talent to perform at the major league level. That forced them to go after costly free agents to replenish their lineup and pitching staff this past offseason — additions Martin applauded.

“I think the smart move is not to repeat a mistake,” Martin said. “I think they paid the price for not acquiring an everyday catcher — or keeping one — and they went and got a good one this year.”

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   1. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: March 18, 2014 at 06:47 AM (#4673177)
He's spot on.
   2. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 18, 2014 at 08:31 AM (#4673194)
martin really seemed like a perfect fit for the pirates. signing martin may be the best free agent signing in pirate history.

think this surpasses the reggie sanders signing especially given martin's defensive contributions.
   3. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: March 18, 2014 at 08:39 AM (#4673198)
think this surpasses the reggie sanders signing especially given martin's defensive contributions.

I think Rick Reuschel is the big fish in the extremely small pond of Pirates free agent signings.
   4. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 18, 2014 at 09:59 AM (#4673235)
shooty

good catch.

he work martin did with the pirates pitching staff last season does not get captured by 'war'.

if martin has a season remotely comparable to 2013 he will surpass rick's contribution.
   5. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: March 18, 2014 at 10:11 AM (#4673244)
if martin has a season remotely comparable to 2013 he will surpass rick's contribution.

Yep, I can see that. Would that be an MLB team's worst "best" free agent signing?

The Giants have Bonds, of course, and the A's have...Mike Moore? The A's and Pirates might be neck and neck for futility here. (Actually, the A's acquired Dave Henderson through free agency and that was a pretty fantastic signing.)
   6. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: March 18, 2014 at 10:16 AM (#4673246)
Frank Thomas was a nifty signing for the A's.
   7. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: March 18, 2014 at 10:22 AM (#4673248)
Frank Thomas was a nifty signing for the A's.

We just had the one year, though. It was glorious, of course.

What would each team's best free agent be? The Yankees would be a tough one to decide. The Braves have Maddux. The Angels would have Rod Carew or Vlad. The Astros Nolan Ryan. The Rockies have Larry Walker. The D-Backs have Randy Johnson.
   8. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: March 18, 2014 at 10:26 AM (#4673250)
NY Post continues its quality work with a headline that says nearly the opposite of what the article does.
   9. Hit by Pitch Posted: March 18, 2014 at 10:27 AM (#4673252)
For the Jays it has to definitely be Roger Clemens. Had him for only 2 seasons but he was fantastic winning back to back CY awards.
   10. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: March 18, 2014 at 10:29 AM (#4673255)
The Red Sox have David Ortiz, who may be the best free agent signing ever.
   11. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: March 18, 2014 at 10:30 AM (#4673256)
I'll nominate Kevin Brown for the Marlins: two excellent years, a World Series win, then they flipped him for prospects including Derrek Lee. That's The Marlin Way.
   12. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: March 18, 2014 at 10:33 AM (#4673259)
For the Yankees, I am thinking Mike Mussina or Dave Winfield.
   13. Danny Posted: March 18, 2014 at 10:40 AM (#4673263)
The A's and Pirates might be neck and neck for futility here. (Actually, the A's acquired Dave Henderson through free agency and that was a pretty fantastic signing.)

Rickey! And Dave Stewart.
   14. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: March 18, 2014 at 10:42 AM (#4673265)
Rickey!

Which time? He came by draft and then by trade for his two best stints.
   15. Tom Nawrocki Posted: March 18, 2014 at 10:44 AM (#4673267)
I'd go with Carlton Fisk for the White Sox.
   16. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: March 18, 2014 at 10:47 AM (#4673270)
The Braves will always have Greg Maddux (who I would put above David Ortiz on the greatest signings list.)
   17. Danny Posted: March 18, 2014 at 10:49 AM (#4673271)
The A's got him back from the Yankees during the 1989 season, but Rickey became a free agent after the season before re-signing with the A's.
The Oakland Athletics are expected to sign free agent outfielder Rickey Henderson to a new contract today for $3 million a year, according to a published report.

The contract would make Henderson baseball's second $3 million player. The Minnesota Twins signed center fielder Kirby Puckett to a three-year, $9 million contract last week.

The New York Times, in today's editions, quoted Richie Bry, Henderson's agent, as saying Henderson wanted to give the A's every opportunity to sign him because he is a native of the Bay Area.

Not sure if that counts...
   18. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: March 18, 2014 at 10:49 AM (#4673272)
Bonds was a pretty great free agency signing, as well.
   19. Nasty Nate Posted: March 18, 2014 at 10:50 AM (#4673273)
Tampa's is probably Carlos Pena.
   20. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: March 18, 2014 at 10:51 AM (#4673274)
Not sure if that counts...

This is a free country, you can count it! I was thinking of snagging a player from another team in the offseason in my mind rather than extending a player you already had.
   21. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: March 18, 2014 at 10:53 AM (#4673278)
Palmeiro, Alomar, or Tejada for the Orioles.
   22. Swoboda is freedom Posted: March 18, 2014 at 10:57 AM (#4673279)
For the Mets, has to be Bobby Bonilla.

Actually Carlos Beltran might be a better choice.
   23. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: March 18, 2014 at 11:01 AM (#4673282)
Just for this Pirates team, the trade to get Burnett for nothing in particular was very valuable as well.
   24. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 18, 2014 at 11:05 AM (#4673286)
Indians: Wayne Garland
   25. Rennie's Tenet Posted: March 18, 2014 at 11:06 AM (#4673287)
if martin has a season remotely comparable to 2013 he will surpass rick's contribution.



Francisco Liriano has been a pretty good signing.
   26. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 18, 2014 at 11:09 AM (#4673290)
For the Yankees, I am thinking Mike Mussina or Dave Winfield.

I'd have to say Reggie Jackson.
   27. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: March 18, 2014 at 11:11 AM (#4673292)
Gossage was another great Yankee free agent signing.
   28. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: March 18, 2014 at 11:16 AM (#4673296)
I think the "greatest FA signing ever" has to come down to Bonds vs Maddux, right?
   29. Nasty Nate Posted: March 18, 2014 at 11:22 AM (#4673298)
For the purposes of this discussion, amateur free agents are being excluded, right?
   30. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: March 18, 2014 at 11:24 AM (#4673303)
I think the "greatest FA signing ever" has to come down to Bonds vs Maddux, right?

David Ortiz's first contract with the Red Sox after the Twins non-tendered him was for 1 year and $1.25MM. In terms of sheer VALUE, that's got to be up there, no?

EDIT: Are we counting non-tenders?
   31. Danny Posted: March 18, 2014 at 11:31 AM (#4673311)
I think the "greatest FA signing ever" has to come down to Bonds vs Maddux, right?

The original 5-year contract Maddux signed was probably pretty similar in value to the 4-year (plus an option) contract Randy Johnson signed with Arizona.
   32. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 18, 2014 at 11:43 AM (#4673322)

David Ortiz's first contract with the Red Sox after the Twins non-tendered him was for 1 year and $1.25MM. In terms of sheer VALUE, that's got to be up there, no?

EDIT: Are we counting non-tenders?


Those would seem to be a different animal. If Ortiz's contract had truly been for only 1-year, it wouldn't be that great. It's great b/c they still had control of him after that.
   33. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: March 18, 2014 at 11:45 AM (#4673323)
For the purposes of this discussion, amateur free agents are being excluded, right?

Yeah, I think that's a different conversation.
   34. Dolf Lucky Posted: March 18, 2014 at 11:57 AM (#4673333)
Reds = Dave Parker?
   35. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: March 18, 2014 at 12:06 PM (#4673340)
It's crazy, but Kevin Brown has to be one of the Dodgers best free agent signings right? Derek Lowe might be up there, too. Brett Butler probably ranks pretty high, too. I'd throw Jeff Kent into the mix as well. All really good players, but not game changers (Brown was pretty damned good aside from the injuries, though).
   36. valuearbitrageur Posted: March 18, 2014 at 12:24 PM (#4673344)
The Oakland Athletics are expected to sign free agent outfielder Rickey Henderson to a new contract today for $3 million a year, according to a published report.


This became the greatest free agent signing in MLB history when Rickey never cashed the check.
   37. bookbook Posted: March 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM (#4673355)
DBacks - Randy Johnson. 4 year contract. 4 CY youngs. 38 WAR.
   38. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 18, 2014 at 12:55 PM (#4673376)
Is Wil Cordero still the Pirates' second-biggest free agent contract? (of players who signed from other teams)
   39. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 18, 2014 at 01:01 PM (#4673381)
I have no idea who the best Twins free agent signing is. Not very good I suspect.
   40. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 18, 2014 at 01:02 PM (#4673383)
Is Wil Cordero still the Pirates' second-biggest free agent contract? (of players who signed from other teams)


On total value, or AAV? Maybe for the former, definitely not for the latter.
   41. dr. scott Posted: March 18, 2014 at 01:06 PM (#4673385)
I was going to say Pedro, but forgot that was a trade... for Carl Pavano and Tony Armas... Manny was another great free agent signing for Boston.

Getting Lofton back was a great signing for Cleveland... but may not count...
   42. flournoy Posted: March 18, 2014 at 01:14 PM (#4673392)
I have no idea who the best Twins free agent signing is. Not very good I suspect.


Jack Morris, I would venture.

Otherwise... Josh Willingham?
   43. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: March 18, 2014 at 01:47 PM (#4673422)
It's crazy, but Kevin Brown has to be one of the Dodgers best free agent signings right?
He's up there, but I'll take Kirk Gibson.
   44. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: March 18, 2014 at 02:00 PM (#4673427)
He's up there, but I'll take Kirk Gibson.


I hear ya, but Gibby was really only good for one year. One supremely awesome year of course!
   45. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: March 18, 2014 at 02:03 PM (#4673429)

AL EAST
Yankees - Reggie Jackson or Mike Mussina or Dave Winfield
Red Sox - David Ortiz or Manny Ramirez
Blue Jays -
Rays - Carlos Pena
Orioles - Rafael Palmeiro or Miguel Tejeda or Roberto Alomar

AL CENTRAL
Twins - Jack Morris or Josh Willingham
White Sox - Carlton Fisk
Royals -
Tigers -
Indians -

AL WEST
Mariners -
Oakland - Rickey! or Frank Thomas or Dave Henderson or Dave Stewart
The The Angels Angels -
Rangers -
Astros - Nolan Ryan

NL EAST
Mets - Carlos Beltran
Phillies -
Nationals/Expos -
Braves - Greg Maddux
Miami - Kevin Brown

NL CENTRAL
Cubs -
Cardinals -
Brewers -
Reds - Dave Parker
Pirates - Russell Martin

NL WEST
Giants - Barry Bonds
Dodgers - Kevin Brown or Kirk Gibson
Padres -
Diamondbacks - Randy Johnson
Rockies - Larry Walker
   46. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: March 18, 2014 at 02:41 PM (#4673450)
Shredder or one of the other fellows probably has a better grasp on it, but I think the Angels have done okay in free agency. Bobby Grich and Torii Hunter seem like pretty obvious wins.
   47. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: March 18, 2014 at 02:41 PM (#4673452)
Does anyone know of a transaction database that covers every free agent signing in MLB history? I'd like to turn this into a quiz on Sporcle.
   48. Tom Nawrocki Posted: March 18, 2014 at 02:46 PM (#4673459)
Shredder or one of the other fellows probably has a better grasp on it, but I think the Angels have done okay in free agency. Bobby Grich and Torii Hunter seem like pretty obvious wins.


Vlad Guerrero.
   49. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: March 18, 2014 at 02:50 PM (#4673466)
Vlad Guerrero.


Duh.. don't know why that one slipped my mind!
   50. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: March 18, 2014 at 02:54 PM (#4673470)
Going through yearly transaction logs, it looks like Tom Candiotti is the Indians' best FA signing (26.0 WAR from 1986-1991).
   51. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 18, 2014 at 02:59 PM (#4673474)

For Seattle it's probably Ichiro. Bret Boone was also a pretty good signing.
   52. Randomly Fluctuating Defensive Metric Posted: March 18, 2014 at 03:02 PM (#4673477)
My takes on Doc's list: Clemens for Toronto, David Cone for KC, Magglio for Detroit, Juan Gone was great for Cleveland in '01, Boone for Seattle, A-Rod in Texas, Vlad for the OC, Cliff Lee for Philly, Moises Alou for Chicago? Chris Carpenter for St. Loo, Brewers: don't know, Pods: don't know.
   53. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: March 18, 2014 at 03:04 PM (#4673478)
Other good Cleveland signings: Roberto Alomar and Casey Blake.

EDIT: And Kenny Lofton II: Electric Boogaloo.
   54. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: March 18, 2014 at 03:04 PM (#4673481)
Looking over the numbers, I think Tejada is probably the orioles best signing. They got him for a very good price, he had three excellent seasons and one decent season for them, and then they traded him for Luke Scott and Troy Patton.
   55. Baldrick Posted: March 18, 2014 at 03:10 PM (#4673484)
The Mariners' guy is almost certainly Bret Boone. He signed a one year, 3.5 million contract and then contributed 8.8 WAR to a team that won 116 games.

In terms of longer contracts, it's a much bleaker landscape. I think you could actually make a case for, of all people, Adrian Beltre. As much as he was seen as kind of a bust offensively, his defense was so good that he was still pretty darn valuable.

Edit: Ichiro doesn't count, does he? The posting system seems different.
   56. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: March 18, 2014 at 03:16 PM (#4673487)
Indians: Wayne Garland


Early days of MLB free agency, 1st ten year deal, guy coming off his first full year as a starting pitcher, and the Indians pitch him into the ground, 282 ip, 21 complete games

1977 was a high offense year, but Garland was only 5th in IP
Palmer had 319, but he was a horse
Goltz had 303 (and broke 2 years later- right when the Dodgers signed him to an 8 year deal)
Ryan had 299 (Genetic freak- but he never had that many IP or even close ever again)
Dennis Leonard 292- 294 the next year, 280 2 years after that, on pace for 300 during the strike year 1981, then broke, only 30

On thing I've noticed about the 70s and 80s- teams were really trying to get their #1 guy to 250+ ip, but if you look at the 30, 40s, 50s, teams weren't doing that- sure the league leader would have 300+ IP, but the drop off would be steep- the guy 5th in IP would be around 250-275. If you look at the 1970s, the guy 5th in IP was usually up around 300 IP and many times over- but after the deadball era ended you don't really see 300 IP #5 guys until the mini-deadball era in the 1960s- but even as offense revert to historical norms in the 70s/80s, teams were very slow to ramp their SPs back down (but when they did the ramp down didn't stop at histroical levels it kept falling)
   57. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: March 18, 2014 at 03:26 PM (#4673500)
The Tigers are a historically conservative team in the FA market. Even in their current big-spending era, most of the big-dollar players have been acquired by trade. Prince Fielder is the biggest splash the Tigers have ever made on the free-agent market, but obviously it ain't him.

I'd agree with Morph that Magglio is the best Tigers FA signing, which is funny considering how roundly it was panned here, but Pudge Rodriguez is also a very strong choice. Kenny Rogers was a good one too but not in their class. I panned the Rogers signing here, as well as the Leyland hire. Oops.
   58. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: March 18, 2014 at 03:31 PM (#4673508)
Nominee for the Royals: Gil Meche (10.3 WAR).
   59. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: March 18, 2014 at 03:35 PM (#4673511)
A-Rod for the Rangers.
   60. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: March 18, 2014 at 03:35 PM (#4673512)
NL EAST
Mets - Carlos Beltran
Phillies -
Nationals/Expos -
Braves - Greg Maddux
Miami - Kevin Brown


Phillies - Huh. Both Halladay and Cliff Lee were trades, right?
Nationals - Jason Werth
   61. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: March 18, 2014 at 03:39 PM (#4673516)
Cliff Lee should be considered a FA signing, given the season between his first stint in Philly and his new contract.
   62. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: March 18, 2014 at 03:42 PM (#4673520)
Padres: Bruce Hurst?
   63. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: March 18, 2014 at 03:52 PM (#4673527)
Cardinals: Chris Carpenter
   64. Walt Davis Posted: March 18, 2014 at 03:55 PM (#4673532)
Cubs is hard depending on how you want to score it. I mean it's Dawson but the FA/MVP year was just a 1-year contract and cheap (thanks collusion!) So not sure we count that one. Alou's been noted. Barrett was OK but that was a non-tender (funny deals). Kingman had his moments. Fukudome if you want to count him.

If we don't count Dawson, looks like the answer is Lilly.

I was reminded of a few good Cub trades -- Wilkins for Servais and Luis Gonzalez; Brant Brown for Lieber.
   65. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: March 18, 2014 at 04:01 PM (#4673539)
The criteria I'm using is that a player has to come from another team, with all WAR counted from his stint with the team.
   66. GregD Posted: March 18, 2014 at 04:11 PM (#4673544)
Phillies? Rose only gave them 1 WAR though he sure did have a good catch
   67. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: March 18, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4673546)
I nominate Jim Thome for the Phillies.

Jayson Werth is also a candidate if we consider non-tenders.
   68. GregD Posted: March 18, 2014 at 04:16 PM (#4673548)
I nominate Jim Thome for the Phillies.
Yes!
   69. GregD Posted: March 18, 2014 at 04:18 PM (#4673551)
1. Thome
2. (tie) every other Phillies signee in history
3. David Bell
   70. andrewberg Posted: March 18, 2014 at 04:26 PM (#4673556)
I would like to nominate Chili Davis, Paul Molitor, and Terry Steinbach for consideration in the Twins category.
   71. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: March 18, 2014 at 04:38 PM (#4673561)
Yeah. Definitely Thome. Forgot about his fixing the 1B hole prior to Howard being called up.

So far "best signing" is a race between Maddux, Bonds, RJ and Ortiz.
   72. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 18, 2014 at 05:03 PM (#4673571)

Tony Phillips was probably the Tigers best free agent signing. 120 OPS+ and 25 WAR over 5 years with a ton of positional flexibility.
   73. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: March 18, 2014 at 05:10 PM (#4673575)
I'm having a really hard time figuring out the Padres' free agent. Maybe it's obvious but I can't think of one.
   74. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: March 18, 2014 at 05:13 PM (#4673579)
I'm having a really hard time figuring out the Padres' free agent. Maybe it's obvious but I can't think of one.


Brian Giles or Phil Nevin.

EDIT:

Nevin in San Diego: 129 OPS+, 17.7 WAR (19+ oWAR)
Giles in San Diego: 122 OPS+, 17.1 WAR (18+ oWAR)

Looks like Nevin by a lash.
   75. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 18, 2014 at 05:16 PM (#4673582)
gosh. for Milwaukee it's a tight mix between hisle, Ramirez and craig counsell

don't underestimate old scarecrow counsell. that boy could play some defense
   76. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: March 18, 2014 at 05:19 PM (#4673584)
Nevin and Giles were both traded to the Padres.
   77. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: March 18, 2014 at 05:21 PM (#4673586)
Nevin and Giles were both traded to the Padres.


Really?! My brain is old.
   78. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: March 18, 2014 at 05:22 PM (#4673588)
I remembered the Giles trade because that's the one involving Bay and Oliver Perez. I had to look up the Nevin one though. It was a small deal at the time with the Angels.
   79. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: March 18, 2014 at 05:24 PM (#4673589)
Yeah, both were trades. So was Mike Cameron.
   80. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 18, 2014 at 05:24 PM (#4673590)

Padres - Mark Loretta?
   81. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: March 18, 2014 at 05:32 PM (#4673592)
Padres - Mark Loretta?


Wow, he had an amazing run for them in a short time! You might be right.
   82. steagles Posted: March 18, 2014 at 05:44 PM (#4673595)
I nominate Jim Thome for the Phillies.

Jayson Werth is also a candidate if we consider non-tenders.
i don't know that you should choose between thome, werth and lee. thome's signing was really the start of this modern era of phillies non-suckage, but he wasn't here very long. werth was the only one of the 3 who was actually on the WFC team in 08, and his cost/production ratio is undoubtedly better than the other 2. and then cliff lee signing here in 2011, choosing philly over new york and texas, creating the 4 aces rotation, and the team going on to win 100 games that season was awesome.

   83. jingoist Posted: March 18, 2014 at 05:49 PM (#4673596)
Johhny in #56:

" On thing I've noticed about the 70s and 80s- teams were really trying to get their #1 guy to 250+ ip, but if you look at the 30, 40s, 50s, teams weren't doing that."

That's because Billy Martin was managing the A's and Yankees and regularly running his top 2 or 3 guys at a 300+ inning rate.
Nobody wore out starting pitching quite like Billy.
   84. alilisd Posted: March 18, 2014 at 06:23 PM (#4673607)
Padres - Oscar Gamble.
   85. Paul D(uda) Posted: March 18, 2014 at 06:33 PM (#4673615)
Molitor, Winfield, Morris and Stewart all seem like better choice for the Jays if you're going for World Series Wins added.
   86. chisoxcollector Posted: March 18, 2014 at 06:59 PM (#4673632)
Jermaine Dye was a pretty good signing for the White Sox. Doesn't top Fisk, though.
   87. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: March 18, 2014 at 07:04 PM (#4673634)
Angels -

Vladimir Guerrero, Bobby Grich, Torii Hunter, Mark Langston, Reggie Jackson.

All good signings. Vlad probably the best....

   88. cardsfanboy Posted: March 18, 2014 at 07:16 PM (#4673639)
Trying to think of anyone better than Chris Carpenter for the Cardinals, Yes he provided value (27.5 war) but he also basically missed four years out of the 10 he was under contract with the Cardinals. Most of the Cardinal "good" free agent signings have been traded and re-up...(McGwire, Holliday, Edmonds, Rolen, etc.)
   89. Al Kaline Trio Posted: March 18, 2014 at 07:26 PM (#4673642)
Best for Cardinals is obvious to me. Pujols (non-signing)
   90. I'll Call'A Tony, You Colavito Posted: March 18, 2014 at 07:58 PM (#4673649)
Molitor, Winfield, Morris and Stewart all seem like better choice for the Jays if you're going for World Series Wins added.


I would take Molitor.
   91. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 18, 2014 at 08:27 PM (#4673656)

Just looking at the team leaderboard, Gene Tenace is probably the correct choice for the Padres. Gave them nearly 20 WAR over 4 seasons.
   92. steagles Posted: March 18, 2014 at 09:24 PM (#4673668)
Trying to think of anyone better than Chris Carpenter for the Cardinals, Yes he provided value (27.5 war) but he also basically missed four years out of the 10 he was under contract with the Cardinals. Most of the Cardinal "good" free agent signings have been traded and re-up...(McGwire, Holliday, Edmonds, Rolen, etc.)
david eckstein?
   93. Cooper Nielson Posted: March 18, 2014 at 11:34 PM (#4673703)
Prince Fielder's dad was another pretty good signing for the Tigers. Tony Philips was better on the field (and by WAR), but Cecil had a bigger impact on ticket sales.
   94. cardsfanboy Posted: March 18, 2014 at 11:51 PM (#4673706)
david eckstein?


Other notables are Darrell Porter, Bob Tewksbury and Isringhausen...Considering historical significance and other factors.... I think Porter(who I'll be perfectly honest, I don't like) is probably the best true free agent signing in Cardinals history.... (11.6 war--and that's catchers War--- in 5 years for a relative pittance vs Carpenter 27 war in 10 years for 90mil or Tewks with 11.2 for 6 seasons)
   95. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: March 18, 2014 at 11:59 PM (#4673710)
I think Porter(who I'll be perfectly honest, I don't like) is probably the best true free agent signing in Cardinals history.... (11.6 war--and that's catchers War--- in 5 years for a relative pittance vs Carpenter 27 war in 10 years for 90mil or Tewks with 11.2 for 6 seasons)


I'd say the same when it comes to the Red Sox. Manny obviously was a good signing, particularly given the albatross that deal was expected to come but never did, but Johnny Damon's four years at $31 million the following offseason was a much better deal (he gave them 16 WAR in four seasons compared to Manny's 33 over eight for $147 million).

   96. vivaelpujols Posted: March 19, 2014 at 05:03 AM (#4673737)
Both McCann and Martin are ranked very highly in framing studies.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArJe7bwAZkuSdElkelNqTDNYckVqdXRzTktxVnprcHc#gid=0

And over their careers they are fairly equal players according to WAR. I'd say Martin has a point. He's a much better bargain than McCann, although the Yankees can afford to pay the premium for a small upgrade.
   97. tshipman Posted: March 19, 2014 at 10:56 AM (#4673901)
So far "best signing" is a race between Maddux, Bonds, RJ and Ortiz.


You can't really put Ortiz in that category.

Ortiz's best year in Boston is about as good as Bonds worst healthy year with the Giants.

Edit: and that was the strike year. So if Bonds had a full season, his worst healthy year would be better than Ortiz's best.

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