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Wednesday, March 27, 2019

Ryan Brasier summoned to court for allowing kids to skip school and attend Red Sox playoff games

The right-hander revealed to USA Today’s Bob Nightengale he received a court summons in the mail from his hometown, Wichita Falls, Texas, asking to explain why his eight-year-old son had missed 21 days of school over the fall. Brasier wanted his entire family, including Kolten and his four-year-old daughter, to witness playoff baseball in person.

“It was the dumbest thing I heard in my life,” Brasier told Nightengale about the court notice. “It was ridiculous. We even had to hire a lawyer. It was a debacle. It wasn’t like we just weren’t sending him to school. There was a reason he wasn’t in school.”

The matter was eventually resolved and Brasier’s kids are back in school. He says he holds no regrets about his spontaneuous parenting decision. “It’s one thing if he was in high school or even junior high, but he was in first grade,” Brasier said.

Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: March 27, 2019 at 01:49 PM | 162 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Hysterical & Useless Posted: March 27, 2019 at 02:14 PM (#5825760)
Don't know how it is in Texas, but in NY state there are a couple of issues: if a kid misses more than a certain number of days, the school cannot promote them to the next grade. More importantly (from the school admin viewpoint) is that the funding they receive is based in part on student attendance figures. If your kid is enrolled but not showing up, the school gets less money from the state.
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 27, 2019 at 02:25 PM (#5825763)
He should have his children taken away from him.
   3. JL72 Posted: March 27, 2019 at 02:28 PM (#5825765)
Did he tell them before he took them out?

My kids' school has a lot of kids who are gone for a month over Christmas to visit family back in their home country. The school works with them to keep them up on their material. Not sure why that could not have been done here.
   4. Blastin Posted: March 27, 2019 at 02:36 PM (#5825769)
He should have planned ahead, hired tutors, etc.

I don't get the impression he's a smart man from anything I've seen about him though.
   5. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: March 27, 2019 at 02:37 PM (#5825772)
More importantly (from the school admin viewpoint) is that the funding they receive is based in part on student attendance figures. If your kid is enrolled but not showing up, the school gets less money from the state.

It is the same in Texas, and I have no doubt this is the district's primary concern.
   6. jmurph Posted: March 27, 2019 at 02:38 PM (#5825773)
I mean yes this is obviously not a great use of the legal system but it's kind of also not the greatest decision to take your kid out of school for 21 days (over, what, a month? 6 weeks?) to watch baseball?
   7. Rally Posted: March 27, 2019 at 02:39 PM (#5825777)
A Texas court is doing this to a Boston player whose team eliminated one of the Texas teams in the playoffs. If Brasier had been pitching for the Astros, maybe the courts would be more lenient.

He could avoid this trouble by having his wife home school the kids.
   8. BrianBrianson Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:10 PM (#5825798)
He should be given additional children, really.

it's kind of also not the greatest decision to take your kid out of school for 21 days (over, what, a month? 6 weeks?) to watch baseball?


The kid is in grade 2 or 3. It's perfectly benign.
   9. PreservedFish Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:13 PM (#5825800)
I mean yes this is obviously not a great use of the legal system but it's kind of also not the greatest decision to take your kid out of school for 21 days (over, what, a month? 6 weeks?) to watch baseball?


#### that, dad's in the playoffs. I think it rocks.
   10. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:14 PM (#5825801)
it's kind of also not the greatest decision to take your kid out of school for 21 days (over, what, a month? 6 weeks?) to watch baseball?

Elementary school is temporary. Flags fly forever.
   11. jmurph Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:22 PM (#5825808)
I'm going to make an educated guess that none of you would actually take your children out of school for an entire month+ for this, but go nuts.
   12. How can it be QPQ if Zonk Says it isn't a QPQ? Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:25 PM (#5825811)
How many school days are there in a fall semester? Like 70 or 80?

Missing 21 days seems like a lot.

TFA doesn't clearly state it - but it does say it was a 'spontaneous decision'... My take is that I put a lot less blame on the school system or the courts than I do a parent who sounds like he didn't bother to inform the school that his kid might be missing 1/4 of the semester.
   13. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:25 PM (#5825812)
I'm going to make an educated guess
Look whose dad wasn't in the playoffs.
   14. jmurph Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:26 PM (#5825814)
Look whose dad wasn't in the playoffs.

Actual LOL as the partially schooled kids say.
   15. . Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:31 PM (#5825817)
It wasn’t like we just weren’t sending him to school.


Yeah, it wasn't like that -- it was that.

It was the dumbest thing I heard in my life,”


Wait until you hear this one though -- a grown man kept his kid out of school for 21 days just so the kid could go to baseball games!!! Can you ####### believe how dumb that is???

   16. PreservedFish Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:33 PM (#5825820)
I'm going to make an educated guess that none of you would actually take your children out of school for an entire month+ for this, but go nuts.


I'm not a baseball player, but if I had to spend a month on the road achieving the pinnacle of my career, and my wife and kids were able to follow in such a way that they could observe my success, I might consider it.

The real likely issue is that dad's job is extremely visible at all other times, making this trip comparatively unimportant, and that the kids likely spent most of their time playing video games in a hotel room. So no, I wouldn't take my kids out for that. But I don't think a few weeks in 2nd grade are very important. Suppose I had a chance to work in Japan or Dubai or something for one month - would I take the kids out of school to join me? #### yeah.
   17. . Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:38 PM (#5825823)
but if I had to spend a month on the road achieving the pinnacle of my career, and my wife and kids were able to follow in such a way that they could observe my success


Except his kid wasn't able to -- he had school.

I'm not a baseball player, but if I had to spend a month on the road achieving the pinnacle of my career,


So a doctor should take his kids out of school every day she does a complicated medical procedure on a patient? A lawyer every time she has a trial or a big closing? That seems ... odd.
   18. PreservedFish Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:40 PM (#5825825)
This website was better without you.
   19. . . . . . . Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:43 PM (#5825826)
when my father did something similarly cool when I was in 6th grade, he took me out of school for 3 weeks and told the school to hold me back if they wanted, but to otherwise get the #### off his lawn. They got the point, and - hold tight, this may shock the prudish among you - 6 years later I still got into a good college.
   20. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:44 PM (#5825827)
Eh, my mom let me stay home for a week every time I had the sniffles in elementary school. There's really not much content in 3rd grade.
   21. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:45 PM (#5825829)
So a doctor should take his kids out of school every day she does a complicated medical procedure on a patient?
Looks like the complicated medical procedure was on him/herself.
   22. How can it be QPQ if Zonk Says it isn't a QPQ? Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:46 PM (#5825830)
The real likely issue is that dad's job is extremely visible at all other times, making this trip comparatively unimportant, and that the kids likely spent most of their time playing video games in a hotel room. So no, I wouldn't take my kids out for that. But I don't think a few weeks in 2nd grade are very important. Suppose I had a chance to work in Japan or Dubai or something for one month - would I take the kids out of school to join me? #### yeah.


Sure, but again.... would you inform the school? Possibly take an hour to talk with your kid's teacher and maybe get the lessons plans for the next month?

Operating under the apparent assumption that he just "did it" - it sounds like maybe dealing with an annoying summons might be an appropriate lesson for the parent.

FWIW - I'd also point out that this likely makes the teacher's job harder, too... Sure, sure... it's just 1st grade - no doubt... but they still have assignments and even tests.... So, now what does the teacher do about those missed assignments and tests? Give the kid a zero? Take his/her lunch hour to administer the missed tests?

The more I think about it - again, operating under the idea that he didn't really bother to tell anyone - I say good... a summons and hiring a lawyer sounds like it probably makes for a decent enough life lesson and penalty. If that punishment and rehabilitation teaches him and his wife to, you know, pick up the phone next time.... works for me.
   23. bobm Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:46 PM (#5825831)
After too many unexcused absences, the school is required to notify the parent. A compulsory attendance notification will be sent to the parent if a student has unexcused absences on 10 or more days or parts of days within a six-month period or three days or parts of days during a four-week period. Notice it says “parts of days.” This means that leaving school early, or arriving excessively late in the day, even if the child attended for some of the day, may count as an absence.

The compulsory attendance letter gives the parent notice that the student has accumulated too many unexcused absences and gives the parent a chance to correct the child’s attendance record.

A student with excessive absences may also be subject to truancy prevention measures. These measures may include a behavior improvement plan, school-based community service, or a referral to counseling, mediation, or teen court. A student who is between the ages of 12 to 18 may also be referred to a truancy court within 10 school days of the student's tenth unexcused absence. In addition, parents may be criminally charged or fined if their child continues to miss school.

The 90 percent rule
In addition to compulsory attendance law, districts are required to enforce the 90 percent rule, which states that students in grades K-12 must attend class for 90 percent of the time it is offered to receive credit or a final grade. The 90 percent rule applies to all absences, including excused absences. If the student doesn’t meet this requirement, an attendance committee may grant the student credit or a final grade, depending on the circumstances.


Attendance Requirements in Texas Schools
   24. jmurph Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:48 PM (#5825833)
I gotta say I really had sugarbear going with the "you don't learn anything in public schools anyway" line, I'm genuinely surprised.
   25. PreservedFish Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:50 PM (#5825835)
Sure, but again.... would you inform the school? Possibly take an hour to talk with your kid's teacher and maybe get the lessons plans for the next month?


Yes. Yes.
   26. . Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:50 PM (#5825836)
This website was better without you.


Think more before you write next time. It's typically a wise idea.

A good rule of thumb is that major league baseball players are typically idiots who routinely do stupid #### normal, law-abiding civilians wouldn't dream of doing in a million years. Most of my commentary is in this vein and is amply supported by empirical evidence and I'm only forced to comment on these things because people insist on defending this kind of inanity. No, people with jobs that are far more important than baseball players' do not take their kids out of school for 21 days in a month to watch mommy or daddy do their jobs. This isn't even a debatable proposition. People do not do that. If they had a chance to work in Japan or Dubai, sure take the kids -- but normal people would get the kids schooling in those places. (*)

It's eminently possible to enjoy baseball and baseball games and the talent of baseball players without turning them into more than they actually are. That approach will save a lot of back and forth and you can go back to "enjoying the website."

(*) And note here that Japan or Dubai aren't the actual workplaces of mommy and daddy. The workplaces in Japan or Dubai are.

   27. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:58 PM (#5825839)
A friend of mine, a professional boat captain, once got a gig to sail a yacht from somewhere on the west coast to the Cook Islands. he and his wife took his grammar school kids with them, coordinated with the school, hired a tutor, the yacht had satellite wifi so they could keep up to date with assignments, and everything was good to go. there's a right way to do this and a wrong way, and the wrong way is to just take off without any coordination. And it's also wrong to not take your kids with you to sail to the Cook Islands.
   28. catomi01 Posted: March 27, 2019 at 04:19 PM (#5825850)
And it's also wrong to not take your kids with you to sail to the Cook Islands.


My mother doesn't know how to sail...so it would have been very wrong of her to attempt it, and I am glad she did not.
   29. Hysterical & Useless Posted: March 27, 2019 at 04:41 PM (#5825863)
There's really not much content in 3rd grade.


Actually, 3rd grade is kind of a transitional period, with more emphasis on defined content areas (ie, what most people think of as "academics"), less on the more nebulous aspects of socialization (getting along with others, following instructions, etc)

When our kids were in their teens (16 & 13) we took them out of school for 2 weeks in October for a trip to Ireland (our 1st overseas vacation). We coordinated with the school so they would cover at least some of the material their classmates would be getting during that time. They weren't thrilled about having to do homework (this is called understatement), and the school was not entirely happy about the decision (the funding issue), but this was when we had the time available and travel broadens the mind, so we felt it was likely not an entirely irresponsible thing to do. Besides, it was great fun.
   30. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: March 27, 2019 at 04:44 PM (#5825864)
When I was little, my mom took me out of school for a couple days to see her present an argument to the NY State Court of Appeals. About a decade later, I dropped out of college. Coincidence?
   31. RoyalFlush Posted: March 27, 2019 at 04:47 PM (#5825867)
It's a crappy article because it didn't say why the court proceeding was being held in the first place. Could it have been some sort of hearing to decide if the kid gets left back or not? I find it hard to believe that a summons was the first action this school district took.

But, since the author decided that it was inherently unjust to question anything a Red Sox player does, we're left wondering what happened.
   32. Hysterical & Useless Posted: March 27, 2019 at 04:51 PM (#5825869)
There was more info posted in the Lounge. Basically, the school district followed their normal procedures of trying to contact the parents, got no response to multiple inquiries. They then pass it on to the court (family court I assume? as this is a potential child neglect/endangerment issue), which then does it's "contact the parents" procedure, ie, issues a summons.
   33. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 27, 2019 at 04:55 PM (#5825873)
There was more info posted in the Lounge. Basically, the school district followed their normal procedures of trying to contact the parents, got no response to multiple inquiries. They then pass it on to the court (family court I assume? as this is a potential child neglect/endangerment issue), which then does it's "contact the parents" procedure, ie, issues a summons.
I'm shocked, shocked that a Major League relief pitcher in 2019 isn't enough of a household name in Texas for them to realize this wasn't an ordinary case.
   34. . Posted: March 27, 2019 at 04:59 PM (#5825875)
I'm shocked, shocked that a Major League relief pitcher in 2019 isn't enough of a household name in Texas for them to realize this wasn't an ordinary case.


"How can you send me a summons, don't you know who I am????"
   35. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: March 27, 2019 at 05:02 PM (#5825877)
There was more info posted in the Lounge. Basically, the school district followed their normal procedures of trying to contact the parents, got no response to multiple inquiries. They then pass it on to the court (family court I assume? as this is a potential child neglect/endangerment issue), which then does it's "contact the parents" procedure, ie, issues a summons.


If that's the case, this is 100% on him, and he's even a bigger douche for blaming this on an overreaching court system.
   36. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 27, 2019 at 05:18 PM (#5825887)
he's even a bigger douche for blaming this on an overreaching court system.
In his defense, blaming the damn activist judges is rather popular in Texas.
   37. . Posted: March 27, 2019 at 05:24 PM (#5825890)
You're giving him far too much credit by thinking he could come up with a concept like an "overreaching court system."

No, he literally thinks getting any pushback from the authorities for taking his kid out of school for essentially four straight weeks (*) to watch baseball games is the dumbest thing ever.

(*) Unless they're going to school on weekends in Texas, 21 days is over four school weeks. The Red Sox started their postseason on October 5, 2018 and ended it on October 28, 2018. There were fewer than 21 school days in the entire postseason.
   38. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: March 27, 2019 at 05:42 PM (#5825898)
Operating under the apparent assumption that he just "did it" - it sounds like maybe dealing with an annoying summons might be an appropriate lesson for the parent.

The lesson being that the state should #### off.
   39. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 27, 2019 at 05:48 PM (#5825903)
The lesson being that the state should #### off.
Also a rather popular view among Texans.
   40. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: March 27, 2019 at 06:09 PM (#5825905)
I'm shocked, shocked that a Major League relief pitcher in 2019 isn't enough of a household name in Texas for them to realize this wasn't an ordinary case.

Rest assured, if it were some UDFA practice squad grunt for the Cowboys, it would have been flagged from the get go for special kid-glove treatment.
   41. How can it be QPQ if Zonk Says it isn't a QPQ? Posted: March 27, 2019 at 06:13 PM (#5825906)
The lesson being that the state should #### off.

Also a rather popular view among Texans.


Yeah, but only if you look at their browser history.
   42. Perry Posted: March 27, 2019 at 06:42 PM (#5825909)
When my son was in early elementary school I took him on week-long spring training road trips to AZ 3 or 4 times. Sometimes during spring break but not always. I'd take him to the zoo or some museum or historical site every morning, then we'd go to a game in the afternoon. He took homework with him and did it in the motel every day. His teachers were fine with it, they said he'd probably learn more in a random week doing that than being in school.
   43. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 27, 2019 at 06:56 PM (#5825913)
Actually, 3rd grade is kind of a transitional period


The excerpt says he was in the first grade at the time.

Missing school at that age is nothing and it's a fun thing to do for the kids and parents. However, not keeping the district informed about the decision is pretty irresponsible.
   44. . Posted: March 27, 2019 at 07:05 PM (#5825916)
If he's an eight-year-old first grader, he needs all the school he can get.
   45. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 27, 2019 at 07:52 PM (#5825925)
If he's an eight-year-old first grader,


Well he was probably 7 last September but is now 8. 7 for a first grader is not unusual as a lot parents hold the kids back until they are 6 before going to kindy. Studies are mixed on whether this is beneficial or not, but that's a discussion for another day.

But seriously, missing 21 days of 1st grade is not an issue. Not keeping the district informed and then being defensive about it is the issue.
   46. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: March 27, 2019 at 08:40 PM (#5825931)
Well he was probably 7 last September but is now 8. 7 for a first grader is not unusual as a lot parents hold the kids back until they are 6 before going to kindy. Studies are mixed on whether this is beneficial or not, but that's a discussion for another day.


Or sometimes kids are born just after the cutoff date for admission. My son was born in early October. The cutoff in Florida is Sep 1. So he was 5 years old for his first month of kindergarten, then he turned 6. Likewise, he was 6 for his first month of first grade, then he turned 7, not coincidentally, durning the MLB playoffs.
   47. SoSH U at work Posted: March 27, 2019 at 08:45 PM (#5825934)
Or sometimes kids are born just after the cutoff date for admission. My son was born in early October. The cutoff in Florida is Sep 1. So he was 5 years old for his first month of kindergarten, then he turned 6. Likewise, he was 6 for his first month of first grade, then he turned 7, not coincidentally, durning the MLB playoffs.


Even with a late birthday/cutoff, Brasier's kid would still be a year behind that.
   48. Bobvila Posted: March 27, 2019 at 09:31 PM (#5825944)
My children are not going to school tomorrow, and they never do on opening day. It's a holiday!! The school has never rejected our excuse and sent extra work home today to cover for missed work.
   49. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: March 27, 2019 at 09:38 PM (#5825945)
Even with a late birthday/cutoff, Brasier's kid would still be a year behind that.


OK, yeah, I see that. I was responding to #45, but upon further review, whether he was 8 then, or merely 8 now, and was perhaps 7 then, the cutoff thing doesn't apply. The important thing though is to recognize than Mr. Dot is being his usual horses ass.
   50. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: March 27, 2019 at 09:40 PM (#5825947)
My children are not going to school tomorrow, and they never do on opening day. It's a holiday!! The school has never rejected our excuse and sent extra work home today to cover for missed work.


My son's in college and can do as he wishes. My daughter couldn't give 2 shits about baseball, though she did stay up and watch all 10 innings of game 7 of the 2016 WS on the promise she could skip school the next day.
   51. PreservedFish Posted: March 27, 2019 at 09:44 PM (#5825948)
Likewise, he was 6 for his first month of first grade, then he turned 7, not coincidentally, durning the MLB playoffs.


Why was that not coincidental? Were you attempting to conceive an MLB playoffs baby?
   52. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: March 27, 2019 at 10:07 PM (#5825951)
It's a good thing Tom Brady doesn't take his kids out of school whenever he's in the playoffs.
   53. base ball chick Posted: March 27, 2019 at 11:03 PM (#5825958)
Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: March 27, 2019 at 06:09 PM (#5825905)

I'm shocked, shocked that a Major League relief pitcher in 2019 isn't enough of a household name in Texas for them to realize this wasn't an ordinary case.

Rest assured, if it were some UDFA practice squad grunt for the Cowboys, it would have been flagged from the get go for special kid-glove treatment


- zackly

i can NOT believe the hysteria you guys got about a first grader missing some skool. and yes he is 8
for some reason i do not get, males are now being held back at least 2 years. i guess You People aren't able to do the things you could like 40 years ago in kindergarten. why people want their kidz finishing hs at 20 i do not get

i guess it is part of the modern thing to keep your kids as baby-like as possible for as long as possible. writing their homework and all that school admission stuff



and yes skools are hysterical about a kid missing even 1 day and you got to have a doctors note to get them back in

so if they just had a tummy virus one day and are fine the next they gotta go to some stupid clinic the next day to get an excuse

- my mama always kept me out of skool for Opening Day, that holiest of Days
   54. Srul Itza Posted: March 27, 2019 at 11:46 PM (#5825965)
for some reason i do not get, males are now being held back at least 2 years.


So they are bigger for their grade, for sports?
   55. JAHV Posted: March 28, 2019 at 02:29 AM (#5825968)
If we can help it, my kids don't get to skip school for anything. If I were Brasier, I could see taking the kids out early on a Friday to fly out for a couple of weekend games or something like that, but that's about it. Aside from what they actually learn during the 21 days, I think school is a commitment, and teaching the kids to honor that commitment and consistently attend somewhere they're required to be is important. Plus I agree with everyone else that if you are going to do something like this (I could see an opportunity to travel abroad or do something otherwise educational as a legitimate reason), be considerate of the teachers and administration and communicate with them. It's not that hard.
   56. JAHV Posted: March 28, 2019 at 02:34 AM (#5825969)
More importantly, any father who forces his children to watch Red Sox games should have them taken away.
   57. pthomas Posted: March 28, 2019 at 07:00 AM (#5825972)
21 days of First Grade down the drain!
   58. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 28, 2019 at 09:17 AM (#5825988)

I don’t know whether Brasier took the whole family to Japan with him when he played in Hiroshima during the 2017 season, but that might be why his kid is 1-2 years behind in school.
   59. BrianBrianson Posted: March 28, 2019 at 09:33 AM (#5825994)
I'm going to make an educated guess that none of you would actually take your children out of school for an entire month+ for this, but go nuts.


If I pitch in the playoffs, the list of things I won't pull my rugrat out of for that is extremely limited. It probably starts around "life-saving surgery".

And of course, if he was in school in Japan for a year, he's probably academically 10-15 years ahead of the grade 2 kids in Texas. ;)
   60. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: March 28, 2019 at 09:38 AM (#5825995)
I learned a year ago that I apparently missed first grade entirely (my family lived in a hotel that year (this I remembered), thus had no permanent residence for districting) - picked back up in second the following year. I had memories of first grade, but, in retrospect, it was just second grade that I’d smoothed into a two year span.

(This doesn’t have much to do with this story, but is weird.)
   61. DL from MN Posted: March 28, 2019 at 09:40 AM (#5825997)
for some reason i do not get, males are now being held back at least 2 years


Sounds like a kindergarten redshirt for football. Trading two years of lost future earnings for football doesn't seem like the wisest choice.
   62. jmurph Posted: March 28, 2019 at 09:46 AM (#5826004)
for some reason i do not get, males are now being held back at least 2 years

Most states it's compulsory by 6, so I don't think this is particularly a thing.
   63. Lassus Posted: March 28, 2019 at 10:00 AM (#5826015)
I don't know how many of you work in or with schools, but there are many, many, many, many, many, many highly under-educated children in America, and the school followed protocol on the parents being self-centered jerks ("Call who? Why? Whatever.") and did the right thing.
   64. JJ1986 Posted: March 28, 2019 at 10:06 AM (#5826020)
My mom let me stay home from school during the 1999 and 2000 playoffs for days when I had stayed up too late the night before.
   65. BrianBrianson Posted: March 28, 2019 at 10:19 AM (#5826022)
If you're concerned about under-educated kids, spending the school's resources on tracking down the children of millionaires to haul them into court is not a good use of your time.

I do work in a school though with students in grades 14-22ish.
   66. bobm Posted: March 28, 2019 at 10:31 AM (#5826027)
I don't know how many of you work in or with schools, but there are many, many, many, many, many, many highly and under- educated children in America, and the school followed protocol on the parents being self-centered jerks

FTFY
   67. Lassus Posted: March 28, 2019 at 10:34 AM (#5826028)
If you're concerned about under-educated kids, spending the school's resources on tracking down the children of millionaires to haul them into court is not a good use of your time.

Well, we'll just let kids come in whenever, I guess.
   68. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: March 28, 2019 at 10:37 AM (#5826031)
If you're concerned about under-educated kids, spending the school's resources on tracking down the children of millionaires to haul them into court is not a good use of your time


a) Ryan Brasier is not a millionaire.

b) Even if he were, how would the school know that?

c) How much more education could the school produce for the cost* of sending Ryan Brasier a court summons?

*Which is approximately $0
   69. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: March 28, 2019 at 10:42 AM (#5826034)
There is a right way and a wrong way to handle things. Sounds like Brasier handled it wrong.
   70. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: March 28, 2019 at 10:42 AM (#5826035)
Trading two years of lost future earnings for football doesn't seem like the wisest choice.

Parents do all kinds of stupid #### for the social "prestige" of little Jaxxon or Hayleigh being on an athletic scholarship at Middle Nowhere State University.
   71. jmurph Posted: March 28, 2019 at 10:44 AM (#5826037)
There's a weird amount of arguing in this thread from people who are also simultaneously conceding that Brasier's family did this wrong and also (almost unanimously) "yeah I probably wouldn't do that." Why are we arguing!
   72. PreservedFish Posted: March 28, 2019 at 10:46 AM (#5826040)
Ok, here's my thing on this:

1. It's fine to take little kids out of school for unique, amazing opportunities.
2. Did this qualify? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not going to judge that for the Brasiers.
3. Yes, Brasier is highly likely to be an immature dolt that didn't do much to maximize the learning opportunities here
4. Yes, of course he should have notified the school and did his best to catch his kids up on missed material.
5. Yes, Lassus is right that the school needs to pursue truancy for the public good using whatever the standard methods.
6. Brianson's implication that Brasier should get a pass because he's a millionaire is disturbing
   73. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 28, 2019 at 10:48 AM (#5826047)
Trading two years of lost future earnings for football doesn't seem like the wisest choice.
Most things in America involving football don't seem like the wisest choices.
   74. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: March 28, 2019 at 10:51 AM (#5826051)
Did this qualify? Maybe, maybe not.


Ryan Brasier is 31 years old, and before last year had pitched a total of 7 innings in the majors. Yeah, I think for him and his family, this qualifies.

And I agree 100% with the rest of your post.
   75. Lassus Posted: March 28, 2019 at 10:59 AM (#5826059)
Yeah, I think for him and his family, this qualifies.

No argument here.
   76. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 28, 2019 at 11:02 AM (#5826060)
I'd merely like to point out that the truancy/absence rules in many states/school districts are absolutely crazy and also follow a zero tolerance model so the rules end up having some pretty perverse results. It also tends to ding the kids with the least access to resources.

As for Braiser, I can 100% understand having his kid join him for the postseason, and he's a dingus if he or his wife never actually talked to the school about what was going on.

   77. BrianBrianson Posted: March 28, 2019 at 11:56 AM (#5826101)
6. Brianson's implication that Brasier should get a pass because he's a millionaire is disturbing


Jeez, if you took that implication from what I wrote, maybe don't skip a couple weeks of second grade.

Spending school support resources on kids of people who've earned a million dollars but probably aren't actually millionaires - and chasing them down to drag them to court! is not a good use of time or money. We're not talking about a kid who's struggling because they don't have access they need - we're talking about a kid whose parents failed to realise the school board workers are too dumb to find their own ass with two hands, a flashlight, and a map.
   78. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: March 28, 2019 at 12:03 PM (#5826105)
Spending school support resources on kids of people who've earned a million dollars but probably aren't actually millionaires - and chasing them down to drag them to court! is not a good use of time or money.


They sent a ####### letter. The only resources spent were postage and the cost of the paper and the envelope. Less than $1. Any labor performed was done by people already paid to be at work whether they sent the letter or not.

And in your opinion, what would be the acceptable cutoff for career income of the parent for which it would be acceptable to spend the dollar?
   79. Blastin Posted: March 28, 2019 at 12:08 PM (#5826111)
As for Braiser, I can 100% understand having his kid join him for the postseason, and he's a dingus if he or his wife never actually talked to the school about what was going on.


Just tell the school and don't act like an ass after the fact.

I will bet you his kids aren't exactly bright, though, if they have inherited his level of genius, so they probably need all the schooling they can get.

And yeah, there were no "resources" spent.

Mostly though I hope Brasier now flames out, and his kids fail to finish high school because they couldn't pass elementary school.
   80. Blastin Posted: March 28, 2019 at 12:13 PM (#5826115)
little Jaxxon or Hayleigh


People (including people here) say black names are dumb (and hoo boy is it hard to make that statement without being racist), but this awful trend of 2010 white names is way worse.
   81. manchestermets Posted: March 28, 2019 at 12:15 PM (#5826119)
we're talking about a kid whose parents failed to realise the school board workers are too dumb to find their own ass with two hands, a flashlight, and a map.


Is there any subject about which you can't be relied upon to be an insufferable superior prick?
   82. jmurph Posted: March 28, 2019 at 12:17 PM (#5826122)
We're not talking about a kid who's struggling because they don't have access they need - we're talking about a kid whose parents failed to realise the school board workers are too dumb to find their own ass with two hands, a flashlight, and a map.

I continue to not understand this point. Is it your opinion that schools should treat unexplained absences in the interests of known baseball attendance differently than unexplained absences in the interests of video games or, like, child abandonment?
   83. PreservedFish Posted: March 28, 2019 at 12:19 PM (#5826125)
Jeez, if you took that implication from what I wrote, maybe don't skip a couple weeks of second grade...


He says, and then further explains how the school shouldn't bother to pursue this because the dad is a millionaire.
   84. Blastin Posted: March 28, 2019 at 12:24 PM (#5826128)
People really think they're smarter than educators.

I'm not sure the "school board" has anything to do with this, anyway. School boards are indeed often dumb, because they're Not Actually Educators, most of the time.
   85. base ball chick Posted: March 28, 2019 at 01:06 PM (#5826162)
Srul Itza Posted: March 27, 2019 at 11:46 PM (#5825965)

for some reason i do not get, males are now being held back at least 2 years.



So they are bigger for their grade, for sports


- i suppose but they are doing it for the already large ones and the kids who are clearly more than ready for kindergarten and about as athletic as your table are being kept back too

ONLY the males, mind. females are not held back for no reason whatsoever

they try to start them in kindergarten as close to age 7 as possible.
you can't imagine the amount of screeching and yelling we heard from everyone when we put our boyz in kindergarten at age 5. they did fine. i don't know what's wrong with everyone else's

The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 28, 2019 at 11:02 AM (#5826060)
I'd merely like to point out that the truancy/absence rules in many states/school districts are absolutely crazy and also follow a zero tolerance model so the rules end up having some pretty perverse results. It also tends to ding the kids with the least access to resources.

As for Braiser, I can 100% understand having his kid join him for the postseason, and he's a dingus if he or his wife never actually talked to the school about what was going on


i would have told the school so as they wouldn't think they were dead or something and taken them out

but shttt like this is why some people homeschool. they aren't all religious fanatics

   86. base ball chick Posted: March 28, 2019 at 01:08 PM (#5826165)
Blastin Posted: March 28, 2019 at 12:13 PM (#5826115)

little Jaxxon or Hayleigh



People (including people here) say black names are dumb (and hoo boy is it hard to make that statement without being racist), but this awful trend of 2010 white names is way worse.

- you got THAT right

i just got back from shopping and this White mom had 2 little grrls named Quincy and ? Wellsley ?

jeezus keerist

and White problem gots problems with Marqueese and Alesha?

pls
   87. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: March 28, 2019 at 01:10 PM (#5826169)
we're talking about a kid whose parents failed to realise the school board workers are too dumb to find their own ass with two hands, a flashlight, and a map.


What possible relevance can this have? The school is supposed to keep an up to date data base of parent's professions, and then make a educated guess as to why the child has been absent for weeks with no response from the parent in order to decide whether or not to pursue the matter?

" Oh, I see that Mr. Brasier is a major league baseball player. Let me go to BBREF and see which team he plays for. RedSox. let me go to MLB.com and see if the Red Sox are in the playoffs. Oh, they are. That must explain the extended absence. Oh, and I see here that he has topped $1,000,000 in career earnings. Let me make a note of that so that we need never pursue extended absences from his children ever again."

Now THAT would be an example of a waste of resources.
   88. JJ1986 Posted: March 28, 2019 at 01:12 PM (#5826170)
People (including people here) say black names are dumb (and hoo boy is it hard to make that statement without being racist), but this awful trend of 2010 white names is way worse.
My wife works with kids and pretty much half of the boys are named Jackson. It's absurd.
   89. Lassus Posted: March 28, 2019 at 01:17 PM (#5826177)
My wife has four ballet student named Lexi, which... is really not the same as HAYLEIGH or whatnot, but at least seemed notable. We had to nickname them for our own purposes, as generally all ballet students look pretty alike. Nice Lexi, Mean Lexi, Short Lexi, and Pretty Lexi.
   90. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 28, 2019 at 01:21 PM (#5826184)
People (including people here) say black names are dumb (and hoo boy is it hard to make that statement without being racist), but this awful trend of 2010 white names is way worse.

Absolutely. Chase is not a first name. Neither are Jackson, Grayson, and Caden (other top-10 boys names of 2018; and I'[m sure they're 90+% white).

Made up or mis-purposed names are dumb; race has nothing to do with.
   91. PreservedFish Posted: March 28, 2019 at 01:23 PM (#5826187)
There's a dad I see at the school that has a custom sweatshirt with the names of his kids. It's something like:

BRAYDEN
JAYDEN
BRAILEY
CAYLEIGH
   92. JJ1986 Posted: March 28, 2019 at 01:26 PM (#5826188)
Girls names seem a little better to me than 10 years ago when they were all called Madison, although my wife does know a (white) girl called Khaleesi.
   93. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 28, 2019 at 01:26 PM (#5826189)
There's a dad I see at the school that has a custom sweatshirt with the names of his kids. It's something like:

BRAYDEN
JAYDEN
BRAILEY
CAYLEIGH


He should definitely have his kids taken away, and renamed. I have no idea, are Jayden and Brailey boys names or girls names?
   94. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 28, 2019 at 01:28 PM (#5826193)
Girls names seem a little better to me than 10 years ago when they were all called Madison,

Yes, the top girls names are almost all normal.

RANK
GIRLS
BOYS
1 Sophia Jackson
2 Olivia Liam
3 Emma Noah
4 Ava Aiden
5 Isabella Caden
6 Aria Grayson
7 Riley Lucas
8 Amelia Mason
9 Mia Oliver
10 Layla Elijah
11 Zoe Logan
12 Mila Carter
13 Charlotte Ethan
14 Harper Muhammad
15 Lily Jayden
16 Chloe Michael
17 Aaliyah James
18 Adalyn Sebastian
19 Evelyn Alexander
20 Avery Mateo
   95. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: March 28, 2019 at 01:31 PM (#5826200)
Made up or mis-purposed names are dumb


What exactly is a made up name that is not acceptable? Is "Jose" allowed?

Someone has a name, call them by their name. Life isn't that hard folks. I coach youth baseball and I see all of these names; I've had a Braydon, I've had a Da'mon, I've had a Josh, I've had Jared, Jarred, Jarrett, some of them were good kids, some of them were brats. The names had nothing to do with it.
   96. DL from MN Posted: March 28, 2019 at 01:36 PM (#5826205)
My wife works with kids and pretty much half of the boys are named Jackson. It's absurd.


Doubtful. Some are Jackson but I'm sure others are Jakson, Jaxon, Jacksen, Jaxson, or Jacson. Half the kids in my elementary school were named Michael but at least they were all spelled Michael. Intentionally misspelling your child's name does not make it unique.
   97. DL from MN Posted: March 28, 2019 at 01:37 PM (#5826206)
are Jayden and Brailey boys names or girls names?


Yes
   98. . Posted: March 28, 2019 at 01:57 PM (#5826216)
As for Braiser, I can 100% understand having his kid join him for the postseason


Well, of course, it's easy to 100% understand him having that -- he's an abject idiot.
   99. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 28, 2019 at 02:48 PM (#5826263)
What exactly is a made up name that is not acceptable? Is "Jose" allowed?

Jose is a bog standard name. I'm not criticizing names in other languages, or ethnic names. I'm criticizing things that were never first names, or weirdly mis-spelled or made-up names.

Caden is not a first name. Chase is not a first name. Jackson is borderline, but Jaxon is an atrocity.

Doubtful. Some are Jackson but I'm sure others are Jakson, Jaxon, Jacksen, Jaxson, or Jacson. Half the kids in my elementary school were named Michael but at least they were all spelled Michael. Intentionally misspelling your child's name does not make it unique.

Exactly.
   100. Hysterical & Useless Posted: March 28, 2019 at 02:48 PM (#5826264)
Why are we arguing!


Forget it, Jake. It's the internet.
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