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Ryan Dempster, Red Sox pitcher who beaned Alex Rodriguez, won’t play in 2014 | NJ.com

This is a surprise.

Jim Furtado Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:02 PM | 87 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Der-K: Hipster doofus Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:10 PM (#4657610)
Bump
   2. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:12 PM (#4657613)
Nitpick - A "beaning" in my interpretation is hitting someone in the head.

The bigger issue is this is exhibit #473,296 of why you don't trade pitching. Suddenly the Sox decision/inability to trade a starter this off-season looks a lot smarter/luckier.
   3. Publius Publicola Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:15 PM (#4657615)
In an interview with WFAN's Mike Francesa, Rodriguez said he almost fought Dempster after he hit him.


Almost.
   4. Publius Publicola Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:25 PM (#4657620)
So, the rotation will be Lester, Buchholz, Lackey, Peavy and Doubront, with Workman, Webster and Owens waiting in the wings?

Not bad.

My guess is Dempster realized he was the odd man out and didn't want to be a reliever or spot starter.
   5. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:26 PM (#4657622)
Dempster was ahead of his time. Now every pitcher in baseball would like to bean A-Roid.
   6. tfbg9 Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:38 PM (#4657626)
Isn't that like 14 million in salary relief for the World Champs?
   7. KT's Pot Arb Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:41 PM (#4657629)
Rodriguez, a few innings later, blasted a solo shot off Dempster.


Better than almost fighting him by far.

Shouldn't title read "Journeyman who gave up HR to ARod after struggling to hit him finally recognizing own suckiness"?
   8. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:44 PM (#4657632)
Turning Dempster's deal, in effect, into a one-year deal sure looks a lot better. It's funny: Stephen Drew is also rejecting $14m from the Red Sox this year!
   9. Darren Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:58 PM (#4657637)
Brendan Kuty, Guy Who Wrote This, Doesn't Know What 'Beaning' Means

I'm going to disagree with Jose a little. I don't see "bizarre retirement under mysterious circumstances" as a reason not to trade pitching. The big argument this offseason was mainly about dealing Dempster. If they had dealt him, they'd be in the same boat now.

I hope they find a way to use this money well.
   10. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:59 PM (#4657639)
Yeah, this seems weird. Works out for the Red Sox though.
   11. Darren Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:01 PM (#4657640)
Also, here's the quote from Dempster per MLBTR per Rosenthal on Twitter:

“I don’t feel like I am capable of performing to the ability and standard that I am accustomed to. I feel it’s in the best interest of both the club but most importantly myself to step away from playing baseball at this time," said the 36-year-old (via Twitter links). "The time is right. I’m not saying retirement but I definitely won’t be playing this season."


   12. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:03 PM (#4657641)
Also, Dempster deserves better than that headline on what amounts to his retirement. Dude was a good pitcher for the latter part of his career, with a 110 ERA+ from his age 31 season on (when he was turned back into a starter). Didn't get his ring until last season despite pitching for Florida between 1997 and 2003. He started in 1998 and was traded away in 2002.
   13. Esoteric Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4657644)
Something very strange is going on here. Very strange. Forgive me if I don't take this at face value.
   14. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4657645)
Weird modifier in the headline. Dempster has pitched for over a decade, he's not just known as the guy who beaned A-Rod.
   15. Darren Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:09 PM (#4657648)
Esoteric, what's your guess? A secret payoff by the Sox to go away? Or something else going on in his life that he's not telling?
   16. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:13 PM (#4657649)
Something very strange is going on here. Very strange. Forgive me if I don't take this at face value.


I had a slightly similar thought. I'm not sure what route you are going down but my thought was some kind of illness that he doesn't want made public for whatever reason. Right now I'm hoping he's ok.

And I'll second number 12, Dempster has had an awfully good career. Not a star but he's got a ring, a no hitter and if this is the end of the road his last appearance was closing out a World Series game. Plus he made a #### ton of money.
   17. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:15 PM (#4657651)
It's hard to imagine an upside to the Sox for this, Darren. They could trade him for nothing in particular if they didn't think he was worth the roster spot, and probably get some salary relief that way.



   18. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:18 PM (#4657652)
It seems surprising because Dempster was still reasonably effective last year, but he did experience a legitimate dropoff in performance in 2013 and his velocity has been trending down for a couple of years. It could just be like he says - he realizes that he's getting older, and wants to leave of his own free will rather than scuffle along until he's demoted or released.

I've had a lot of fun over the years watching Dempster pitch, and if this ends up being it for him, I wish him well in his retirement.
   19. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:22 PM (#4657656)
Sounds like steroids
   20. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:23 PM (#4657657)
Something very strange is going on here. Very strange. Forgive me if I don't take this at face value.


I hope his daughter's health isn't the reason.
   21. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4657660)
14 -- agree. If you're anything more than a casual fan, you know who Dempster is. And if you are a casual fan, the modifier wouldn't clue you in much. A-Rod has 169 career HBPs.....
   22. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:26 PM (#4657661)
I'm not sure what route you are going down but my thought was some kind of illness that he doesn't want made public for whatever reason. Right now I'm hoping he's ok.
I hope his daughter's health isn't the reason.

Me too
   23. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:28 PM (#4657662)
Did anyone else think of Tim Thomas after reading this? I'm trying to thinkk of athletes who took a noninjury or war related year off an all I can think of right now are Home Run Baker, Bruce Bochte, and Tim Thomas.
   24. JJ1986 Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:29 PM (#4657665)
14 -- agree. If you're anything more than a casual fan, you know who Dempster is. And if you are a casual fan, the modifier wouldn't clue you in much. A-Rod has 169 career HBPs.....


I think it's being written primarily for Yankees fans.
   25. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:29 PM (#4657666)
Did anyone else think of Tim Thomas after reading this? I'm trying to thinkk of athletes who took a noninjury or war related year off an all I can think of right now are Home Run Baker, Bruce Bochte, and Tim Thomas.


Arky Vaughan.
   26. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:34 PM (#4657671)
Yeah, this headline is bizarre as hell.
   27. Publius Publicola Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:34 PM (#4657673)
Dave Cowens.
   28. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:34 PM (#4657674)
Arky Vaughan.


Arky Vaughan was at war with Leo Durocher.

I didn't know about his daughter's health issues, I can see why that would make him give up 14 million.
   29. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:37 PM (#4657676)
Did Cowens unretired a la Michael Jordan. I'm not sure if I am differentiating between guys who announce retirements or announced they were taking sabattacals, although I think Baker was just a holdout.
   30. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:37 PM (#4657678)
It'd be really interesting if both Dempster and Rod came back in 2015 after a late-thirties year off.
   31. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:38 PM (#4657682)
Dempster's daughter has a pretty serious chromosomal condition. I think he's said something about neck issues, but it's not hard to imagine him wanting to be with his daughter.
   32. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:44 PM (#4657686)
Didn't know that about his daughter...####. Really really really hope that's not the issue.
   33. BDC Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:44 PM (#4657687)
differentiating between guys who announce retirements or announced they were taking sabattacals

I.e. Ryne Sandberg, who simply retired and later changed his mind, is not an example.

Bill Bradley's Rhodes Scholarship might fall into the "sabbatical" category.
   34. Jason Michael(s) Bourn Identity Crisis Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:47 PM (#4657688)
Ryno, I believe, was having serious marital problems during his "retirement."
   35. Darren Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:54 PM (#4657691)
Eric Davis took a year off too, when he probably could have played.
   36. Publius Publicola Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:56 PM (#4657693)
Did Cowens unretired a la Michael Jordan.


Cowens didn't retire. He just took an open-ended leave of absence.
   37. Publius Publicola Posted: February 16, 2014 at 02:00 PM (#4657697)
From the Times article:

Ryan Dempster doesn’t fit the stereotype. A standout pitcher for the Cubs, Dempster is baseball’s version of a model citizen, the antithesis of the celebrity jock: down to earth and approachable, twice nominated for Major League Baseball’s Roberto Clemente Award for community service. His latest cause is very personal. Ryan and Jenny Dempster’s 10-month-old daughter, Riley, was born with DiGeorge syndrome, a developmental disorder caused by a defective chromosome. She requires nearly constant medical attention.

Her digestive system has been affected. Unable to swallow, Riley spends mealtime tethered to a feeding tube, while another tube in her tiny throat allows for the draining of built-up secretions that could seep into her lungs and impair breathing. It’s her only manifestation of the illness.

“It’s not totally clear why she doesn’t swallow,” said Dr. Donna McDonald-McGinn, a geneticist who studies DiGeorge syndrome at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, where Riley was examined in October. “It’s not in her brain, and she doesn’t have heart issues. Riley can live with this, but it’s complicated.”

The Dempsters are hopeful that physical therapy will strengthen the muscles used to swallow and that Riley will eventually learn do it as she matures. McDonald-McGinn said that it was possible, but that she couldn’t predict whether it was likely. “Ryan and Jenny haven’t batted an eye,” she said. “Their plates are full, but they’re doing everything they have to do.”

Dempster was the picture of a doting dad recently as he played with his daughter on the floor of the den in their Wrigleyville home. Riley, a 16-pound bundle of contentment, is a natural as the center of attention. Her future as a daddy’s girl seems assured.

But since he threw at A-Rod, he's still a terrible person.
   38. Esoteric Posted: February 16, 2014 at 02:04 PM (#4657699)
I had a slightly similar thought. I'm not sure what route you are going down but my thought was some kind of illness that he doesn't want made public for whatever reason. Right now I'm hoping he's ok.
I'm not going down any route in particular, it just doesn't seem plausible taken on face value. He was a cromulent enough pitcher last year, if not great. I've never heard of an athlete voluntarily stepping away -- whilst holding out the option of a later return! -- merely because they thought they weren't playing well. There has to be something more.

Was not aware of his daughter's health issues. Hope that's not the reason but it does make sense.
   39. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: February 16, 2014 at 02:22 PM (#4657708)
It's hard to imagine an upside to the Sox for this, Darren. They could trade him for nothing in particular if they didn't think he was worth the roster spot, and probably get some salary relief that way.

Really? It's hard not to, unless you are wearing your Yankee fanboy cap. Dempster has negative trade value. They can't trade him for a bag of baseballs, without having to eat a chunk of salary. Nobody is paying 14m for an old, barely above rep level starter. They don't just get "some salary relief" this way, they don't have to pay him a dime.
   40. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: February 16, 2014 at 02:23 PM (#4657709)
What do you guys mean by "I hope that's not the reason?" I think it's pretty obvious his daughter is the reason why he's decided not to play baseball and he's publicly saying otherwise to the press because he'd rather not talk about it. I don't think her condition has to have somehow worsened for this to be the case.
   41. puck Posted: February 16, 2014 at 02:27 PM (#4657710)
Dang, mention of the daughter's issues made this thread get serious very quickly, before anyone could suggest a plausible bullying situation.
   42. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 16, 2014 at 02:33 PM (#4657713)
What do you guys mean by "I hope that's not the reason?" I think it's pretty obvious his daughter is the reason why he's decided not to play baseball and he's publicly saying otherwise to the press because he'd rather not talk about it. I don't think her condition has to have somehow worsened for this to be the case.


I think it's overwhelmingly the most likely reason. I still hope that's not it.

That's what I meant.

   43. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: February 16, 2014 at 02:34 PM (#4657714)
Yeah, it seems likely it has something to do with his daughter, which leads me to ask the question, couldn't there have been a way for him to not totally lose his huge 2014 salary and spend his season taking care of his family? I'm just sort of surprised that a major league veteran wouldn't have any other recourse in an awful situation like this. Strong union and all.
   44. Publius Publicola Posted: February 16, 2014 at 02:35 PM (#4657715)
Yeah, it must kill Dempster to be on the road and leave his daughter's obviously overwhelming condition for his wife to manage alone. I don't blame him for taking some time off.

Good luck, Ryan. Best wishes from everyone here.
   45. Publius Publicola Posted: February 16, 2014 at 02:38 PM (#4657717)
couldn't there have been a way for him to not totally lose his huge 2014 salary and spend his season taking care of his family? Strong union and all.


If you're suggesting his family traveling with the team, that probably isn't possible, considering the fragile nature of his dauighter's health.

Nice thought though.
   46. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: February 16, 2014 at 02:46 PM (#4657722)

If you're suggesting his family traveling with the team, that probably isn't possible, considering the fragile nature of his dauighter's health.

Nice thought though.


I'm thinking more along the lines of having some kind of provision in contracts for situations like this, like a bereavement clause or being unable to play due to injury. It just seems totally unfair to Dempster.
   47. pthomas Posted: February 16, 2014 at 03:26 PM (#4657732)
Dempster will be back by June. Just a ploy to get out of spring training.
   48. tfbg9 Posted: February 16, 2014 at 03:39 PM (#4657736)
Laudable decision by Dempster.

Sign Drew to a 2 year deal now, Ben Cherrington. 20 million would probably get it done.
Drew is a good baseball player. Depth is nice.

Do it.
   49. nick swisher hygiene Posted: February 16, 2014 at 03:45 PM (#4657738)
Is the newest competitive advantage some sort of psychological #### to figure out guys who have atypically high senses of loyalty
and will make team-friendly decisions for you down the road?
call it, say, "Psycheball"? cause it sure seems like the Sox are winning at this particular game.....
   50. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: February 16, 2014 at 04:28 PM (#4657742)
Yea, if this is Dempster for Drew, even if they have to give Drew a second year, this is a huge win for the Red Sox.

Good luck to Dempster.
   51. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: February 16, 2014 at 04:43 PM (#4657748)
If Drew came back, does anyone think they'd move Bogaerts around at SS/3B, effectively creating a Drew/Middlebrooks platoon?
   52. villageidiom Posted: February 16, 2014 at 05:10 PM (#4657765)
Speier at WEEI has slightly more from the presser.
   53. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: February 16, 2014 at 05:13 PM (#4657767)
What do you guys mean by "I hope that's not the reason?" I think it's pretty obvious his daughter is the reason why he's decided not to play baseball and he's publicly saying otherwise to the press because he'd rather not talk about it. I don't think her condition has to have somehow worsened for this to be the case.
It might mean she's not improved like they'd hoped. He didn't announce this until now.
If Drew came back, does anyone think they'd move Bogaerts around at SS/3B, effectively creating a Drew/Middlebrooks platoon?

If I were they, I'd just move Drew to 3B create that platoon. Drew isn't that great a defender that he's unmovable. If he's better than Bogaerts, it's not by much and Bogaerts is the future there.
   54. Publius Publicola Posted: February 16, 2014 at 05:24 PM (#4657770)
Re:#51

No. You don't jerk around you thoroughbred to satisfy two mules. Bogaerts will be given one position and play there everyday. If someone is jerked around, it will be Drew, which may partly explain why he has been reluctant to sign.
   55. Jay Z Posted: February 16, 2014 at 05:33 PM (#4657772)
Cowens didn't retire. He just took an open-ended leave of absence.


Two different incidents. In 1977 he did take a leave of absence from the Celtics. Cowens also retired from the Celtics in 1980, sat out two years, then came back for one more season with the Bucks before retiring permanently.
   56. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: February 16, 2014 at 05:38 PM (#4657774)
Best wishes to Dempster and his wife. If this is the reason for taking the time off, good for him that he can do that. As anyone with children or even nephews and nieces can attest to, these situations are unthinkable and you want to do everything you possibly can.
   57. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: February 16, 2014 at 05:58 PM (#4657781)
dempster has had an uneven path to a solid career. was a decent starter, lost his way, got it back together in Chicago, had a tremendous 2008 and since then has been contributing though not lights out or anything. testimony to what must be a lot of determination though I could do without the annoying glove thingy.

best of luck to him though his stuff with arod was pretty ridiculous
   58. Publius Publicola Posted: February 16, 2014 at 07:07 PM (#4657806)
best of luck to him though his stuff with arod was pretty ridiculous


Wasn't ridiculous to me. He was fuming that a cheater was allowed to play. I think it was pretty understandable what he did. I may not agree with what he did but I don't think it ridiculous.
   59. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: February 16, 2014 at 07:37 PM (#4657807)
you don't express yourself by willfully and knowingly hurt someone with a thrown projectile unless you are a criminal or crazy
   60. Paul D(uda) Posted: February 16, 2014 at 07:40 PM (#4657808)
Did anyone else think of Tim Thomas after reading this? I'm trying to thinkk of athletes who took a noninjury or war related year off an all I can think of right now are Home Run Baker, Bruce Bochte, and Tim Thomas.

Didn't Alexei Yashin sit out a year because he didn't want to play? Then, that off season, he said he was a free agent, but Ottawa said no, you agreed to owe us a year and you didn't give it to us. And I think the team won the arbitration.
   61. JJ1986 Posted: February 16, 2014 at 07:44 PM (#4657809)
Brian Waters (football guard) just sat out a year because he didn't want to play for the Patriots. They initially tolled his contract, but ended up letting him go before this year.
   62. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: February 16, 2014 at 07:44 PM (#4657810)
ryne sandberg quit because he wanted to save his marriage
   63. puck Posted: February 16, 2014 at 07:53 PM (#4657811)
What do you guys mean by "I hope that's not the reason?" I think it's pretty obvious his daughter is the reason why he's decided not to play baseball and he's publicly saying otherwise to the press because he'd rather not talk about it.


Speier at WEEI has slightly more from the presser.


From the Speier link, it sure doesn't seem like he's hiding anything. It sounds like he's basically retiring because of injuries and because he's had enough.
   64. ptodd Posted: February 16, 2014 at 09:35 PM (#4657826)
Crazy thought. But in a case where player is looking at spending most of the season on the DL and retiring after the season, and a team who is up against the LT, would a team consider offering a player full salary (or close to it) if he would agree to going on the restricted list, and paying the salary in a way to avoid MLB scrutiny?

Looking at it from Dempsters view, if he has an injury that is likely related to his years of playing baseball, why would he sacrifice that 13 million which represents about 15% of his lifetime earnings. He has a foundation that certainly could benefit from the 13 million.

Look for the Red Sox foundation to make a sizable donation to Dempsters foundation, perhaps as much as 13 million
   65. ptodd Posted: February 16, 2014 at 09:42 PM (#4657830)
4. Publius Publicola Posted: February 16, 2014 at 11:25 AM (#4657620)
So, the rotation will be Lester, Buchholz, Lackey, Peavy and Doubront, with Workman, Webster and Owens waiting in the wings?

Not bad.

My guess is Dempster realized he was the odd man out and didn't want to be a reliever or spot starter.


So he sacrifices 13 million because his feelings were hurt?

Buchholz is hardly a sure thing with that shoulder last year. Lester was subpar for most of last year, and Peavy was league average at best. Doubront tends to fade in the 2nd half. Not sure Workman is not more valuable in the pen, and not convinced about Websters value. Owens seems a legitimate prospect, but young pitchers at 21-22 are injury prone.
   66. Publius Publicola Posted: February 16, 2014 at 10:35 PM (#4657840)
Don't watch much baseball, eh Harv?
   67. base ball chick Posted: February 16, 2014 at 10:44 PM (#4657841)
deliberately throwing a baseball at someone's head because they did drugs is a really shtt thing to do. it is criminal assault
and not cute or manly neither

that said

best of luck to riley dempster and her parents

dempster is old in pitcher years and maybe he just doesn't want all the rehab and whatever and needs a year off to heal, seeing as how it is teh EVULL to give any kind of steroid medicine under a physician's supervision to help


   68. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 16, 2014 at 10:48 PM (#4657843)
Sean Gilbert and John Riggins of the NFL both sat out an entire year in a contract dispute.
   69. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: February 16, 2014 at 10:51 PM (#4657845)
Don't watch much baseball, eh Harv?

fake tough guys have never impressed anyone
   70. Publius Publicola Posted: February 16, 2014 at 10:56 PM (#4657847)
Pedro threw at batters. Clemens threw at batters. Drysdale and Gibson and McDowell and Maglie threw at batters. What Dempster did is no big deal.

Not sure what you mean by fake. He was obviously willing to risk a mound charge.

   71. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 16, 2014 at 11:10 PM (#4657851)
Didn't Derek Fisher use his daughter's medical issues to "sit out" as a way to get out of his contact to sign with the Lakers?
   72. Jim Wisinski Posted: February 16, 2014 at 11:17 PM (#4657852)
None of those guys threw at batters because they were clueless about the appeals process and why it works the way it does.
   73. Walt Davis Posted: February 16, 2014 at 11:36 PM (#4657857)
Looking at it from Dempsters view, if he has an injury that is likely related to his years of playing baseball, why would he sacrifice that 13 million which represents about 15% of his lifetime earnings.

As noted with Meche and I think a couple of other cases, the player is obligated to do everything he can to rehab to get back before the season is over. Rehabbing is hard, painful work and the physical reward is giving yourself another opportunity to tear up your arm. Now, if you had a career earnings of <$1 million, you would almost certainly go through the pain to get your $13 M. That calculation may be different for Dempster.

In short, Dempster is currently physically capable of pitching or would likely be by season's end with proper rehab -- but a lot of pain and likely ineffectiveness would be involved. And then he'd be a 38-year-old pitcher coming off of injury and ineffectiveness and his career is likely done anyway.
   74. ptodd Posted: February 17, 2014 at 02:59 AM (#4657904)
73. Walt Davis Posted: February 16, 2014 at 10:36 PM (#4657857)

As noted with Meche and I think a couple of other cases, the player is obligated to do everything he can to rehab to get back before the season is over. Rehabbing is hard, painful work and the physical reward is giving yourself another opportunity to tear up your arm. Now, if you had a career earnings of <$1 million, you would almost certainly go through the pain to get your $13 M. That calculation may be different for Dempster.

In short, Dempster is currently physically capable of pitching or would likely be by season's end with proper rehab -- but a lot of pain and likely ineffectiveness would be involved. And then he'd be a 38-year-old pitcher coming off of injury and ineffectiveness and his career is likely done anyway.


Yeah, but he would have 13 million more dollars in his bank a/c for 6 months of rehab. I am pretty sure the team would let him rehab at home if he has personal issues. He may need to do the rehab anyways just for a quality of life perspective.
   75. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: February 17, 2014 at 03:52 AM (#4657907)
Oh Dempster fire, oh Dempster fire ...
   76. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: February 17, 2014 at 09:01 AM (#4657916)
Yeah, but he would have 13 million more dollars in his bank a/c for 6 months of rehab. I am pretty sure the team would let him rehab at home if he has personal issues. He may need to do the rehab anyways just for a quality of life perspective.
Yeah, but he already got paid $90m. If earning more money for his kids' kids' kids' kids is going to be a painful process where 'success' means having to join the team on the road and keep him away from his actual, at-risk, kid, choosing to duck out as a 38 year old on a high note seems plausible.

But no, there must be something shady going on, because.....?
   77. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: February 17, 2014 at 09:15 AM (#4657919)
Didn't Alexei Yashin sit out a year because he didn't want to play? Then, that off season, he said he was a free agent, but Ottawa said no, you agreed to owe us a year and you didn't give it to us. And I think the team won the arbitration.
Yep, they did. He tried to go overseas, but the IIHF wouldn't allow it.

The Senators essentially told him he's welcome to sit out for as long as he'd like to, but that he was still obligated to play for them for a year. At the time, NHL players weren't eligible for unrestricted free agency until age 31, so he was looking at potentially having to sit out four of the next five seasons.
   78. Publius Publicola Posted: February 17, 2014 at 09:53 AM (#4657930)
Buchholz is hardly a sure thing with that shoulder last year. Lester was subpar for most of last year, and Peavy was league average at best. Doubront tends to fade in the 2nd half. Not sure Workman is not more valuable in the pen, and not convinced about Websters value. Owens seems a legitimate prospect, but young pitchers at 21-22 are injury prone.


We can play the speculation game the other way too. Buchholz stays healthy all year the entire year and wins a Cy, Lester pitches like he did in the playoffs and goes 18-8, Peavy rebounds under a less heavy workload and goes 14-4, Doubront takes a step forward and wins 16 games with a 3.80 ERA, Workman builds on his rookie year and has a 9.2 k/9 and a 2.40 ERA in 100 innings, Webster goes 8-4 in a spot starter role. Owens gets called up in July and wins eight straight games.

Positive things can happen when you give people a chance to play too, you know. Baseball America rated the near-ready prospects of the Red Sox #1, and not without good reason. There's lots of quality depth there. And I haven't even gotten to Barnes and Raynaudo yet.
   79. Pooty Lederhosen Posted: February 17, 2014 at 10:35 AM (#4657946)
What do you guys mean by "I hope that's not the reason?" I think it's pretty obvious his daughter is the reason why he's decided not to play baseball and he's publicly saying otherwise to the press because he'd rather not talk about it. I don't think her condition has to have somehow worsened for this to be the case.


From Chad Finn's column about Dempster:

Ryan Dempster, the innings-devouring 16-year veteran righthander, announced he won't pitch this season and will be placed on the restricted list. He explained that he has a disc problem in his neck and that he wants to spend more time with his kids.


The absolute certainty with which some people offer opinions is one of BBTF's delights.

Yeah, but he would have 13 million more dollars in his bank a/c for 6 months of rehab.


It doesn't have to be an either/or reason. It could very well be a both/and. As for taking the dough and rehabbing versus hanging up the spikes and foregoing it, I'd think that having made $90 million makes foregoing the money a little more viable as an option. Plus it gives him the latitude of actually taking the time off instead of trying to work out the physical issues.

For a while it seemed like Dempster was on the mound every time I went to Wrigley. My son's first game there was memorable as Dempster pitched a gem, Castro stole home and Marmol blew the save in spectacular fashion. Sadly, I can't seem to find the box score on retrosheet. In any event, best wishes to him, his daughter and the rest of the family.
   80. villageidiom Posted: February 17, 2014 at 11:22 AM (#4657974)
I'm assuming the people looking for something nefarious here are employed by NBC Sports and want Bode Miller to stop evading questions.
   81. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: February 17, 2014 at 12:05 PM (#4657996)
But since he threw at A-Rod, he's an effing hero.


Fixed.
   82. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: February 17, 2014 at 12:09 PM (#4658003)
First it was Curt Schilling with an undisclosed type of cancer and now Dempster with an unclear reason as to why he's skipping 2014. Hmmm, I'm going to keep a close eye on Luis Tiant....
   83. Booey Posted: February 17, 2014 at 03:30 PM (#4658104)
Didn't Derek Fisher use his daughter's medical issues to "sit out" as a way to get out of his contact to sign with the Lakers?


That's the way I saw it, yeah. Said he wanted to sign somewhere closer to his daughters treatment center in NYC, then went and signed in LA instead, which is what, like 800 miles FURTHER from New York than Salt Lake?

Probably would have made me mad as a Jazz fan, except that I hated Fisher and thought the team was better (and much easier to root for) without him.
   84. pkb33 Posted: February 17, 2014 at 06:37 PM (#4658202)
It's hard to imagine an upside to the Sox for this, Darren. They could trade him for nothing in particular if they didn't think he was worth the roster spot, and probably get some salary relief that way.

Really? C'mon, put some more thought into it.
   85. Publius Publicola Posted: February 17, 2014 at 08:24 PM (#4658242)
No kidding. Just off the top of my head, i can think of a 13 mil upside.
   86. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 17, 2014 at 08:36 PM (#4658246)
Also, Dempster deserves better than that headline on what amounts to his retirement.

Agreed. "Two-time All Star Ryan Dempster" would have been a better headline.

Sorry to hear that about his daughter. I would think if that was the only reason, though, something could have been worked out (i.e. he only pitches at home and doesn't have to travel with the team on the road. They could get 15-20 starts out of him that way and probably some relief appearances. So I'm guessing there is some truth to the stated cause of his retirement. The dude has made $89 million in his career. He doesn't need the money.
   87. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: February 18, 2014 at 11:20 AM (#4658429)
IIRC Dempster got divorced last year. His kids live in Chicago. My guess is that it's a combination of all these factors: his concerns over his neck issues, his daughter's heath problems, and a desire to be closer to his family after his divorce that have led him to this decision.

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