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Monday, July 25, 2011

Ryan: Finding a colorful solution for the Hall of Fame

I liked it better when Bob Ryan just used to see pink elephants…

Hear me out. I am proposing that those voted into the Hall of Fame be divided into three categories, as follows:

1. Red plaques Precede: There was a period of time, from roughly 1990 through the early 21st century, when performance-enhancing drugs invaded baseball. The following players are either admitted users, accused users, or, in the face of overwhelming circumstantial evidence, so strongly suspected of being users that their denial is implausible. But they were undeniably great players, with or without, or before and after, their use of PEDs.

2. Pink plaques Precede: There was a period of time, from roughly 1990 through the early 21st century, when performance-enhancing drugs invaded baseball. The following players may have dabbled briefly with PEDs, but the evidence falls short of inclusion on the red plaques.

3. Blue plaques Precede: The following were great players who did not come under any suspicion during a period of time from roughly 1990 to the early 21st century when performance-enhancing drugs invaded baseball.

...Juiced-up pitchers threw to juiced-up batters. We know that. Certain players had an odd Before and After aspect to their careers. We know that. It is too much of a hair-hurting exercise to make an attempt at deciding which homers and which strikeouts were legit. I’m sure McGwire knows how many of his homers would have been warning-track flies had he not been juiced, but he ain’t sayin’. We’ll never know.

So we might as well put ’em all in.

The problem, is, I can’t enact this all by myself. And, believe me, if you’ve got a better idea, let me hear it.

Until then … color-coded plaques.

Repoz Posted: July 25, 2011 at 08:47 PM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: hall of fame, history, projections, sabermetrics

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   1. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: July 25, 2011 at 08:57 PM (#3885006)
Let's release rabid skunks in orphanages. That's a better idea.
   2. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 25, 2011 at 08:57 PM (#3885008)
Again, BTF boys and ghouls, do not fear the coming chaos. Embrace it.
   3. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 25, 2011 at 08:59 PM (#3885012)
This is a bad idea but it's a better idea than the one we currently have which will keep players like Clemens, Bonds and others who are grotesquely qualified out.
   4. flournoy Posted: July 25, 2011 at 09:05 PM (#3885022)
What about green plaques for amphetamine users, white plaques for segregation era players, black plaques for gamblers, and purple plaques for general jerks?
   5. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 25, 2011 at 09:09 PM (#3885028)
Bad idea. Who decides which category a player is in? Based on what evidence? What if a later, more accurate test (or autopsy) changes their category?
   6. The George Sherrill Selection Posted: July 25, 2011 at 09:13 PM (#3885030)
Shouldn't racists get black plaques?
   7. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 25, 2011 at 09:18 PM (#3885034)
What about yellow plaques for members of the media who ignored the obvious proliferation of PEDs in baseball?
   8. Guapo Posted: July 25, 2011 at 09:24 PM (#3885039)
Let's release rabid skunks in orphanages.


I like this idea, but only if we color-code the orphans first.
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: July 25, 2011 at 09:56 PM (#3885057)
The problem, is, I can’t enact this all by myself. And, believe me, if you’ve got a better idea, let me hear it.


Sure, change the rules on the ballot to state. "PED usage, whether it's suspected or confirmed is not grounds for not voting for a player, MLB has it's own rules and has established it's own method of punishment and that is already reflected in the players career"
   10. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: July 25, 2011 at 10:08 PM (#3885061)
Keep that logic out of this #9! ;-)
   11. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: July 25, 2011 at 10:10 PM (#3885062)
It's frustrating to see a professional writer use language with such a lack of precision. PEDs "invaded" baseball? And "may have dabbled briefly"? Couldn't that describe basically any player from the era?

Anyway, I understand what Ryan's trying to do here, but the question of whether a player used performance enhancing drugs defies simple categorization like this.
   12. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: July 25, 2011 at 10:35 PM (#3885074)
It's frustrating to see a professional writer use language with such a lack of precision. PEDs "invaded" baseball? And "may have dabbled briefly"? Couldn't that describe basically any player from the era?
Not Derek Jeter.
   13. Bad Doctor Posted: July 25, 2011 at 11:30 PM (#3885101)
No way, no way. Tried it once, doesn't work. You got four guys all fighting over who's gonna be on a black plaque, but they don't know each other, so nobody wants to back down. No way. I pick. You're on a pink plaque.
   14. Fourth True Outcome Posted: July 25, 2011 at 11:33 PM (#3885103)
Not Derek Jeter.


The only thing Jeter dabbled in was starlets. What color plaque does that get you?
   15. Walt Davis Posted: July 25, 2011 at 11:35 PM (#3885105)
So Piazza gets a pink plaque right?
   16. mex4173 Posted: July 26, 2011 at 01:26 AM (#3885182)
The following players are either admitted users, accused users, or, in the face of overwhelming circumstantial evidence, so strongly suspected of being users that their denial is implausible.


What is the difference between being accused and "may have dabbled briefly?"



I don't like the idea of the pink plaque. It is too one sided, the player has no way to argue in his own favor.
   17. Jeff R., P***y Mainlander Posted: July 26, 2011 at 01:54 AM (#3885224)
What about yellow plaques for members of the media who ignored the obvious proliferation of PEDs in baseball?


Ding, ding, ding. For a bunch of writers who spent a lot of time with the players they cover, there's a pretty big lack of PEDS expose' stories in the late 90's to early 2000's.
   18. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: July 26, 2011 at 02:12 AM (#3885249)
This is dumber than 10 Tommy Lasordas.
   19. Eric P. Posted: July 26, 2011 at 05:32 AM (#3885448)
The only thing Jeter dabbled in was starlets. What color plaque does that get you?


Milky white.
   20. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: July 26, 2011 at 06:25 AM (#3885520)
This may well be the absolute dumbest PED/HOF idea I've ever seen.
   21. Boxkutter Posted: July 26, 2011 at 06:50 AM (#3885531)
What about green plaques for amphetamine users, white plaques for segregation era players, black plaques for gamblers, and purple plaques for general jerks?


What about jerks who gambled during the segregation era? (I'm looking at you, Ty Cobb!)

Also... nice Reservoir Dogs reference, #13!

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