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Tuesday, September 28, 2010

S.I.: Belth: Tenth Inning lacks artistic punch of original but is still a joy

The Ken Burns Effect in effect.

The good news is that we’re in his capable hands once again and there is plenty to like about The Tenth Inning. The bad news is that the filmmaking isn’t up to Burns’ usual lofty standards. It won’t spoil the experience, but it doesn’t feel elevated. Still, Burns creates some fine moments, like the scenes in the Dominican Republic, the most beautiful in the whole show. Burns still has a gimlet eye (the one highlight of Robbie Alomar is right one). There is a small, shirtless boy at the end of “The Star Spangled Banner” in the first segment that is classic Burns. “The Bottom of the Tenth” begins and ends with a montage of Boston sports talk radio over original photography of an empty Fenway Park. It’s a masterly touch, perfectly executed.

As for the narrative, Burns and company hit all the right notes, presenting their story in a sensitive and balanced fashion. Steroids is a major focus, of course, as are the continuing labor wars, the prominence of Latin stars, Joe Torre’s Yankees and the 2004 Red Sox. Cal Ripken, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, Ken Griffey Jr. and Ichiro are all featured players, while Barry Bonds plays the central role.

Some familiar faces like George Will, Dan Okrent, John Thorn, Doris Kearns Goodwin and Bob Costas return from the original series. Tom Boswell might have even more airtime in The Tenth Inning than he did the first time around and he’s excellent. Billy Crystal is not here this time but Joe Torre is, and there are also winning contributions from journalists Marcos Breton, Verducci and Bryant, as well as cameos by Chris Rock, Felipe Alou and Omar Vizquel. Jon Miller is funny in a few spots, though his riff on VORP was goofy—not hostile or unfunny,just goofy (it would have been nice to hear Michael Lewis or Malcolm Gladwell or Bill James here).

Repoz Posted: September 28, 2010 at 07:53 PM | 57 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Evensen Posted: September 28, 2010 at 08:19 PM (#3650570)
I don't like the east coast bias, and I really don't like the fact that it's going to be 4 hours long. Nevertheless, I'm going to watch tonight and tomorrow.
   2. Greg (U)K Posted: September 28, 2010 at 08:27 PM (#3650578)
Ken Griffey Jr. and Ichiro are all featured players

So we were LIED to!
   3. flournoy Posted: September 28, 2010 at 08:33 PM (#3650587)
Honestly, nothing I've read about this sounds even remotely interesting to me. Yankees and Red Sox and steroids. No thanks.
   4. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: September 28, 2010 at 08:50 PM (#3650597)
People are seeing what they want to here with regard to "east coast bias";

"the prominence of Latin stars, Joe Torre’s Yankees and the 2004 Red Sox. Cal Ripken, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, Ken Griffey Jr. and Ichiro are all featured players, while Barry Bonds plays the central role."

New York, Boston, Baltimore, Chicago, St. Louis, Cincinnati, Seattle, San Francisco

I see a pretty good spread here. Now maybe it's going to be 239 minutes of Red Sox/Yankees and one minute of everything else and that would suck. To me if you were hitting the high points of the last decade, this list is pretty good.
   5. TerpNats Posted: September 28, 2010 at 08:55 PM (#3650600)
One wonders whether he'll give even one minute to the end of an even longer drought by the "other" Sox (I'm not counting on it). Did he speak to Studs Terkel before he passed on?
   6. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: September 28, 2010 at 09:14 PM (#3650625)
Billy Crystal is not here this time
Small favors.
   7. Willie Mayspedes Posted: September 28, 2010 at 11:12 PM (#3650718)
Is anybody else creeped out by the way this Burns guys looks?

Perpetual smirk with a haircut fit for a 5 year old. Odd looking fellow.
   8. Rich Rifkin Posted: September 28, 2010 at 11:28 PM (#3650727)
Ken Burns sat down for an hour with Adam Carolla today to talk about The 10th Inning, among other things. For Carolla, it's a very unfunny interview. Adam clearly did not want to offend his guest when Burns spouted some nonsense*. However, it does reprise the great Bresnahan caper, easily my favorite baseball prank of all time.

*What he says about Chris Rock is total b.s.
   9. SlappyMcGroundout Posted: September 28, 2010 at 11:29 PM (#3650729)
Perpetual smirk with a haircut fit for a 5 year old


Do you really think that is his hair?
   10. Textbook Editor Posted: September 28, 2010 at 11:46 PM (#3650740)
I'm not going to totally defend Burns here, but it's easy to forget that when "The Civil War" came out it kick-started a whole wave of documentary interest by average, ordinary Americans that otherwise would have had no interest at all in documentary films. And while one can quibble with/vehemently dislike his mannered (probably too mannered) style, his nostalgic bent, etc. the fact is he's had a huge influence on the making of, the funding of, and the audience for documentaries, and for this, I think, he really should be praised, even if you don't like his directorial style/authorial voice in his films.
   11. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: September 29, 2010 at 12:01 AM (#3650748)
I actually like many of Burns' films, but he and Bob Costas had a little segment interviewing each other on the MLB network, and it was the smuggest, most obnoxious thing I've seen in a long time. I don't really care for several minutes of two middle-aged white dudes agreeing with each other about how important all their opinions are.
   12. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 29, 2010 at 12:29 AM (#3650768)
This film blows. Could they have gotten a bigger collection of morons to comment? Mike b arnacle?
   13. Kurt Posted: September 29, 2010 at 12:44 AM (#3650774)
George Will is sounding surprisingly pro-player on the strike.
   14. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 29, 2010 at 01:29 AM (#3650797)
The segment on Dominican players was interesting.

Now the ballpark boom....
   15. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 29, 2010 at 01:30 AM (#3650798)
I have a feeling the GAB will be a great setting for playoff baseball.
   16. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 29, 2010 at 01:33 AM (#3650800)
Why is every player the shy son of "insert unrelated profession of player's father."
   17. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 29, 2010 at 01:42 AM (#3650806)
Pedro is the best interview in this film.
   18. Best Regards, Larry M. Posted: September 29, 2010 at 01:59 AM (#3650824)
George Will is sounding surprisingly pro-player on the strike.
The MLBPA is a union that conservatives can get behind. Unlike most unions, where the labor is relatively replaceable, professional sports unions gain more benefit the less restricted the market it.

George Will is for unrestricted free markets. It's not surprising that he would side with the players.

Also, the players were "right" in 1994 -- the owners forced that strike.
   19. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 29, 2010 at 02:00 AM (#3650829)
the fact is he's had a huge influence on the making of, the funding of, and the audience for documentaries, and for this, I think, he really should be praised, even if you don't like his directorial style/authorial voice in his films.

he should not be praised for this--he should be condemned
   20. Kurt Posted: September 29, 2010 at 02:05 AM (#3650835)
George Will is for unrestricted free markets. It's not surprising that he would side with the players.

But he was also on the "blue ribbon panel", and was involved with the Padres and Orioles in ways I'm too old and senile to recall. I just expected him to be more of a management mouthpiece.


I didn't think the first part was too bad overall. A little jumpy in parts, but the segemtns on the Dominican baseball and McGwire-Sosa were well done. The absence of Doris Kearns Goodwin didn't hurt either.
   21. Matt Welch Posted: September 29, 2010 at 02:06 AM (#3650837)
As the son of an aerospace engineer, I can say that I'm still glad to have booed Ken Burns at Nationals Stadium this year, even though Part 1 had moments. But Mike Barnicle as your first expert witness on the effects of steroids? The players (and Joe Torre) so far have been the best interviews; wish there was more.
   22. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: September 29, 2010 at 02:38 AM (#3650850)
   23. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: September 29, 2010 at 02:55 AM (#3650857)
Skipped the 1997 World Series entirely.

Sigh.
   24. Wins Above Paul Westerberg Posted: September 29, 2010 at 03:08 AM (#3650871)
There was no 1997 World Series. Only the 1996 one, where a scrappy bunch of no-names like Tim Raines, Wade Boggs, Cecil Fielder, Derek Jeter, Bernie Williams, Daryl Strawberry and Paul O'Neill beat the unbeatable Braves.

At least that's what I learned tonight.
   25. Sleepy supports unauthorized rambling Posted: September 29, 2010 at 04:47 AM (#3650920)
As the son of an aerospace engineer, I can say that I'm still glad to have booed Ken Burns at Nationals Stadium this year, even though Part 1 had moments.


OK, as an aerospace engineer (son of a sanitation engineer) I feel i may have missed an opportunity to have been offended, or something. What is the story here? Should engineers dislike Ken Burns for some reason other than his mediocre baseball movies?
   26. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 29, 2010 at 05:12 AM (#3650925)
As the son of an aerospace engineer,


My Dad designed better planes than your Dad. :-)
   27. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 29, 2010 at 05:14 AM (#3650926)
Enjoyed Vizquel's comments about his early experiences in America, a trip to Butte, Montana. "Is this America?"
   28. Rich Rifkin Posted: September 29, 2010 at 05:42 AM (#3650932)
This was a fine documentary -- it just was not for me (or for some of the others above). I know this history too well. I didn't learn anything*. I enjoyed watching it, but felt like it was more for the young fan who didn't live through the 1990s or the typical PBS viewer who never watches baseball but enjoys documentaries and history.

I also thought there was one thing quite wrong in the piece, but it's open to debate. Burns (through the narrator) claims that the reason baseball turned to Latin America was because Latin players were cheaper. (This is the Torii Hunter line, too.) He contrasts the "cheap Latinos" with the expensive players from the draft, as if a typical draftee gets Stephen Strasburg money.

The problem with this argument is that it is very expensive to develop Latin players from age 16-18 in the academies, considering the fact that only a small percentage of them will ever reach the majors. And the Latin amateurs who look like they are going to be very good players are signed to a major league organization, their signing bonuses are far bigger than the U.S. high school players of their same age. So an Angel Villalona, who will never play in the majors, gets $2.1 million at age 16, and Michael Inoa gets $4.25 million and unless he comes back well from elbow reconstruction won't be a major leaguer, either.

What the Torii line ignores is that the draft tends to suppress the income of the draftees, having only one team to negotiate with. The free agency system in Latin America, while not perfect for the players, is a relative boon to them.

As such, baseball did not turn to Latin America to obtain cheap talent to replace higher priced U.S. born talent. They turned to Latin America to obtain talent. If American athletes played as much baseball day-in and day-out as Dominicans and Venezuelans play, then there would be fewer Latins in the majors, draft or no draft, free agency or no free agency. But Americans don't. Our best poor athletes generally are playing more football and basketball. And most of our best middle-income and above athletes are divided among dozens of popular sports, baseball falling somewhere above skateboarding and below soccer.

*Well, I did learn one thing -- that a lot of Dominican players who wash out of the minors end up in New York City playing baseball.

When I worked as a deck-hand on a salmon seiner in Alaska in the late '80s, I became friends with a fellow deck-hand, Carlos, who was a Dominican. He told me he played pro baseball "in the States" until he was 20 and injured his elbow. He told me that in Hartford, CT, where he lived when he was not in Alaska, that Hartford was full of ex-ballplayers who did not want to go home to Santo Domingo, because they didn't want to go back as losers. So they stuck it out as losers in Hartford. But I don't recall Carlos saying that the ex-players in Hartford were still playing ball.
   29. Walt Davis Posted: September 29, 2010 at 06:06 AM (#3650940)
But I don't recall Carlos saying that the ex-players in Hartford were still playing ball.

The losers who blow out their elbows go to Hartford; the healthy clutch losers go to New York.
   30. Greg (U)K Posted: September 29, 2010 at 08:04 AM (#3650955)
Is PBS streaming it online somewhere?

Wasn't George Will also pro-union in the original Baseball?
I recall him saying something like "in this case I'm a Marxist, they're generating all the wealth, they should get it"
   31. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: September 29, 2010 at 08:38 AM (#3650959)
I recall him saying something like "in this case I'm a Marxist, they're generating all the wealth, they should get it"


Well-remembered. I also liked Will's "Cranepool flies to right, Agnew resigns" line. Basically, I feel like a lot of his content would go down better if you didn't have to listen to him saying it.
   32. Lars6788 Posted: September 29, 2010 at 08:44 AM (#3650960)
As much the top Latin talents are getting million dollar bonuses these days, it probably wasn't the case 15-20 years ago and before and while the bonuses have come a long way, it still isn't the same money players drafted gets.

It seems cheaper to harvest talent from the Dominican Republic - the biggest investment is probably maintaining competent facilities that can compete with other teams doing the same thing in the Dominican Republic.
   33. Greg (U)K Posted: September 29, 2010 at 09:01 AM (#3650961)
Well-remembered. I also liked Will's "Cranepool flies to right, Agnew resigns" line. Basically, I feel like a lot of his content would go down better if you didn't have to listen to him saying it.

Oddly enough as a kid I only knew George Will through "Baseball", "Men at Work" and the reference in Seinfeld. So I've had implanted in my mind a fairly positive opinion of him. It's only in the past five years or so that I've picked up on his political opinions and general punditry, but I'm pretty stubborn in my first impressions, so I don't hold that agaisnt him.
   34. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: September 29, 2010 at 11:13 AM (#3650968)
I'm in a similar space re: Will ('Men at Work' was the first book I read that seemed to think seriously about the mechanics of baseball rather than the mythology - not that it's somehow the best at it, but it definitely opened up new ideas for me to consider). More than anything, I just find his verbal delivery style a bit grating. I suppose that's because it seems all to consistent with his punditry style: supercilious.
   35. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: September 29, 2010 at 11:34 AM (#3650977)
I was out last night and recorded it, along with a two hour documentary on Babe Ruth that came on afterwards. Anyone know anything about that one? The program guide didn't say much.
   36. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: September 29, 2010 at 12:05 PM (#3650991)
I watched the section about the '96 Yankees and I thought it was well done. Like most people here there wasn't a lot new to me but it was entertaining. The story about Torre telling Steinbrenner they would lose Game Two then win the series is one I've heard many times but it is one that makes me chuckle every time.
   37. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo Posted: September 29, 2010 at 12:18 PM (#3650998)
I watched the section about the '96 Yankees and I thought it was well done.

Through my gritted teeth :) I agree.

I was surprised how much I enjoyed hearing Torre -- I was predisposed to dislike him but he came across as a genuine guy.
   38. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 29, 2010 at 01:14 PM (#3651025)
None of the information was really new for me, but I still found myself really attentive through 90 minutes. Oddly enough, I started to get restless during the Sosa/McGwire stuff, even though as a Cubs fan, I was obviously enraptured by it in 1998. I'm not vehemently against steroids, but I couldn't watch the footage of McGwire and Sosa out-slugging each other without feeling a bit upset. It all just seems so unsavory now.

As someone who didn't watch baseball until 1994 (good timing!), I really enjoyed the Barry Bonds opener. The way Burns brought it full circle with the cliffhanger was an intriguing touch.

Surprisingly, I thought the 1996 World Series was the most well-done portion, thanks in large part to Torre's contributions.
   39. Win one for Agrippa (haplo53) Posted: September 29, 2010 at 01:57 PM (#3651059)
*Well, I did learn one thing -- that a lot of Dominican players who wash out of the minors end up in New York City playing baseball.


Got home late from work and watched about a half-hour of the second airing, and the whole section on Latino ballplayers was the most engaging of what I saw. I knew most of the story (though not the thing about the washouts staying in America), but the whole section seemed artfully done. It seemed like they knew they had an opportunity to put something nice together once freed from the constraints of working with mostly junky-looking SD video (like in the Yankees dynasty section).

39 - I also thought Torre added a lot to the part on the Yankees dynasty. Saved it from being "this happened, then this happened, then this happened," which was what I assumed it was going to be.
   40. Bob Dernier Cri Posted: September 29, 2010 at 02:03 PM (#3651064)
I watched with interest.

The most tendentious moment, I think, was the insistence that fans were embittered against players after the '94-'95 strike. Fans lashed out against Tom Glavine, the film suggests ... then a few months later they're ecstatic when Glavine helps the Braves win the Series. I do remember some hard feelings, but they were pretty ephemeral – or directed more at owners than players. That could be my own bias talking, of course; Burns is trying to be "balanced," and that's OK.

I do know fans, pretty serious ones, whose interest in baseball evaporated after 1995 and never returned, to this day. It hasn't hurt baseball in the long run, but there was some permanent disaffection.
   41. sunnyday2 Posted: September 29, 2010 at 03:09 PM (#3651156)
I didn't learn anything but I enjoyed the trip down memory lane. Far from being upset, I was just sad that McGwire et al have fallen off their pedestals. Bobby and Barry Bonds, too, sad. Sammy Sosa, sad. These are not bad people, just people who fell into circumstances unlikely to bring out their better selves. I certainly thought the commentary that Babe Ruth and Mantle and Mays et al would have done the same thing was, well, it was an opinion, not a statement of fact, but fair and plausible. Clearly the film is sympathetic to these fellows, and I can't imagine for the life of me why it wouldn't be.

For the record, I saw the 1st 2 hours, not the 2nd. But as to east coast bias, c'mon, the Yankees and Red Sox have been the big stories of the past 15 years. That's just the way it is. Other than that, as has been said, Barry Bonds was a focus, labor was a focus, Atlanta was a focus. It would be bias to have given any less attention to the Yankees, as much as I hated and hate their dominance. And, actually, I will say that the stuff about Joe Torre, a lot of that I didn't know. And I agree that the anger of fans toward the game is over-stated.

It wasn't ground-breaking by any means. How could it have the impact of seeing Honus Wagner et al? But it was a fun trip down memory lane.
   42. Dag Nabbit apealing [sic] his own check swing Posted: September 29, 2010 at 03:19 PM (#3651168)
I didn't learn anything but I enjoyed the trip down memory lane.

Exactly - that's the point. A 4 hour overview of baseball in the last 15-20 years isn't designed to teach new things, especially not to hardcore baseball fans. It's meant to be a well-crafted highlight reel, which is what it was.

Also: that was a lot of fun when they discussed the Albert Belle bat-gate incident. Kudos for using the Mission Impossible theme.
   43. sunnyday2 Posted: September 29, 2010 at 03:28 PM (#3651187)
Yeah, and I thought the point about cheating was well taken and well presented. ie. If steroids are so terrible, what about Gaylord Perry and Whitey Ford and stealing Albert Belle's bat from the umpire's dressing room. And dare I say greenies.
   44. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: September 29, 2010 at 03:33 PM (#3651193)
I didn't see the stuff about the fans being upset at the players but my recollection is that that would be accurate. I suspect the subset of fans here probably were more upset with the owners but I think most fans blamed the players 1st, 2nd and 3rd before they got to the owners. That fans got over it fairly quickly (in general) I think suggests that the fans anger was not particularly deep but I think it was directed at the players much more than the owners.
   45. Kurt Posted: September 29, 2010 at 03:47 PM (#3651212)
Exactly - that's the point. A 4 hour overview of baseball in the last 15-20 years isn't designed to teach new things, especially not to hardcore baseball fans. It's meant to be a well-crafted highlight reel, which is what it was.

FWIW, the second hour last night - Ripken, Hispanic players, '96 Yankees, McGwire-Sosa - almost looked like it was specifically made for my 9 year old son. He had read about all those things in books, but obviously wasn't around when it happened.
   46. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: September 29, 2010 at 03:56 PM (#3651219)
I mentioned this on the other thread, but where was anything significant on public funding of stadia? That's a much bigger issue than steroids, in the opinion of this reporter. Not mentioning the wild card Marlins and their World Series win was another huge oversight, obviously.
   47. Matt Welch Posted: September 29, 2010 at 04:09 PM (#3651229)
OK, as an aerospace engineer (son of a sanitation engineer) I feel i may have missed an opportunity to have been offended, or something. What is the story here?

Just riffing on the "son-of-a" trope Burns rode hard all night.

I mentioned this on the other thread, but where was anything significant on public funding of stadia?

Nothing significant so far--just a mention of a bunch of new ballparks, many of them cozy and nice, sold as a way to attempt to revitalize downtowns, often using taxpayer money. Just a sentence or two, really, with no opposition/outrage.
   48. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 29, 2010 at 04:15 PM (#3651236)
I was just sad that McGwire et al have fallen off their pedestals. Bobby and Barry Bonds, too, sad. Sammy Sosa, sad. These are not bad people, just people who fell into circumstances unlikely to bring out their better selves.


Yeah, exactly. I mentioned not enjoying the '98 homer chase all that much because of how tainted it feels. But there's no anger directed toward the players involved, if for no other reason than they've become outcasts for reasons connected to what made them heroes.
   49. Blackadder Posted: September 29, 2010 at 04:32 PM (#3651248)
Maybe I'm just a softie, but my favorite part might have been the intro sequence with the Star-Spangled Banner playing over images of Latin American kids playing baseball on the street.

I moved to Europe in 1993, and stayed there until I went to college in 2003, so while I was obviously following baseball closely I didn't actually get to see most of the things in the show. So for me at least, it was a little more than a trip down memory lane...
   50. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: September 29, 2010 at 04:57 PM (#3651268)
I mentioned this on the other thread, but where was anything significant on public funding of stadia?

Nothing significant so far--just a mention of a bunch of new ballparks, many of them cozy and nice, sold as a way to attempt to revitalize downtowns, often using taxpayer money. Just a sentence or two, really, with no opposition/outrage.


Well, yeah, that's what I mean. It wasn't there, and it should have been. Just the Seattle story, a team that nearly moved out of town but then rallied their way into the playoffs as an impending vote on the construction of a new stadium got closer and closer, would have been illustrative. The measure was defeated in the closest election in municipal history, but the funding was approved anyway. And the same kind of story could (and should) be told about most of the other cities in MLB.

I'm obliged to mention Jim Bouton's Foul Ball yet again at this point.
   51. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 29, 2010 at 05:04 PM (#3651276)
I watched the section about the '96 Yankees and I thought it was well done.

Agree, but it appears that the remainder of the Yankee resurgence is limited to the 30-second voice over that followed. Given the significance and difficulty of winning multiple World Series, the 1998-2000 teams would seem to deserve a bit more attention.
   52. Rich Rifkin Posted: September 29, 2010 at 05:37 PM (#3651313)
"Nothing significant so far--just a mention of a bunch of new ballparks, many of them cozy and nice, sold as a way to attempt to revitalize downtowns, often using taxpayer money. Just a sentence or two, really, with no opposition/outrage."

Matt's description of the narrative is correct. However, the visual was also there, showing new park after new park. They mentioned the taxpayer funding and how the more blue-collar fans were replaced by white-collars in high price seats and luxury boxes, which were shown, too. They also, in the lead up to the '98 home run chase, noted how the new parks were smaller and that played some role in the rising home run totals.
   53. Barnaby Jones Posted: October 01, 2010 at 02:27 AM (#3652453)
The problem with this argument is that it is very expensive to develop Latin players from age 16-18 in the academies, considering the fact that only a small percentage of them will ever reach the majors. And the Latin amateurs who look like they are going to be very good players are signed to a major league organization, their signing bonuses are far bigger than the U.S. high school players of their same age. So an Angel Villalona, who will never play in the majors, gets $2.1 million at age 16, and Michael Inoa gets $4.25 million and unless he comes back well from elbow reconstruction won't be a major leaguer, either.


The exorbitant bonuses for Latin teens is a very recent development. You are very wrong; throughout the 80s and most of the 90s, Latin America was a very cheap source of talent. The documentary was quite accurate on this subject, since that was the era it referred to.

The most tendentious moment, I think, was the insistence that fans were embittered against players after the '94-'95 strike. Fans lashed out against Tom Glavine, the film suggests ... then a few months later they're ecstatic when Glavine helps the Braves win the Series. I do remember some hard feelings, but they were pretty ephemeral – or directed more at owners than players. That could be my own bias talking, of course; Burns is trying to be "balanced," and that's OK.


As an Atlantan, I can assure you that plenty of people hated Glavine for years over this fact.
   54. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 01, 2010 at 02:43 AM (#3652462)
Not that he deserved a segment, but I don't recall seeing even an image of Vladimir Guerrero. Was he flashed during the Latin segment on night #1. I was making a high maintenance dinner while it was running and had it on, but not full attention.

Was interleague play discussed in any meaningful way?

Glad somebody brought up the '99 NLCS which for whatever reason hasn't been lionized enough. I suspect it is a victim of the creation of the DS. I guess I could run off the results of the CS' w/o fail from birth to '93 with ease, and have trouble sorting out the series played during the WC era.
   55. Best Regards, Larry M. Posted: October 01, 2010 at 02:51 AM (#3652463)
You know, Burns probably could have made a five night, ten hour film (which would have been kind of awesome). And we'd still be complaining about stuff he skipped.

His goal was clearly to sum up the *story* of the last 20 years. There are details that are important, there are players and games and season that are important, that aren't *necessary* to the story. That's what he skipped.
   56. Rich Rifkin Posted: October 01, 2010 at 03:08 AM (#3652468)
"You are very wrong; throughout the 80s and most of the 90s, Latin America was a very cheap source of talent."

The salient point is that if we had more talented players in the U.S., there would be fewer Dominicans and Venezuelans in pro baseball today. The reason there are so many Latins is because they have so much talent.

As to the cost of the academies and the payments made for signing players to them, what are the numbers you are so sure of? How much does a team running an academy in Latin America spend developing a player ready to play A-ball compared with how much that same team pays to get a player they draft out of a U.S. high school or college who is ready for A-ball?

I'm willing to be proved wrong if you have some actual numbers. I don't understand your supercilious rhetoric if you don't. But on the face of things, the idea that it is cheaper to develop an A-ball player from Latin American than one from the U.S. makes no sense to me, given that the U.S.-born player pays for his own training up to the time he signs a pro contract.

The only difference would be how much each is paid for his signing bonus. I realize that many years ago the buscones were stealing the bonuses from the Latin players. But that does not mean those signing bonuses were not being paid. Today, of course, the bonuses for the most talented Latins are much higher. But so are the bonuses for the highest draft picks, now.

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