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Sunday, June 24, 2007

Sad news coming soon

A prominent Valley resident died today, but it remains a mystery who the person is.
Phoenix police said they were called to a northeast Phoenix home for a call of an unknown death and discovered a person dead and alone.
Police said the prominent person has two young children who are away at camp, and until the kids are notified, the person’s name won’t be released.
No foul play is suspected, police said, but authorities are investigating the death since the person was alone. The cause of death will be determined by the medical examiner.

This is a baseball death and I know who it is, but it wouldn’t be right to release the name before his kids know.

Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 11:24 AM | 214 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Padgett Posted: June 24, 2007 at 12:18 PM (#2414949)
This might be the oddest thing ever posted here.
   2. Dudefella Posted: June 24, 2007 at 12:39 PM (#2414950)
Probably should've waited to post this until you could, like, say who it was.
   3. Jeff K. Posted: June 24, 2007 at 12:48 PM (#2414951)
Can we play 20 questions and guess? I'll start.

1) Is it a current MLB player?
   4. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan Posted: June 24, 2007 at 12:53 PM (#2414952)
What is the point of posting things like this at all? That goes for BTF and at the "East Valley Tribune," whatever that is.

These things apparently serve only to gratify the person who says "ohh.. I know but I can't tell you... but I know.. did I mention that I know? And you don't?"
   5. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: June 24, 2007 at 12:54 PM (#2414953)
Can we play 20 questions and guess? I'll start.


2) Is he a 6'10" LHP with 4000+ K, the world's worst mullet and a face that look likes it belongs on an apodicerial corpse that got stuck in a wood chipper?

Best Regards

John
   6. asinwreck Posted: June 24, 2007 at 12:58 PM (#2414954)
This post makes me uneasy; I wish I hadn't read it. Now I'm suddenly concerned about every member of the Diamondbacks, Ryne Sandberg, Matt Williams, and the dozens of current and recently retired players who live in and around Phoenix.
   7. Lassus Posted: June 24, 2007 at 01:15 PM (#2414959)
And how does this poster know who it is? That's even creepier.
   8. McCoy Posted: June 24, 2007 at 01:31 PM (#2414963)
This is stupid. All this is going to do is start wild rumors that instead of causing sorrow to one family might end up causing sorrow/stress to dozens and dozens of families.
   9. McCoy Posted: June 24, 2007 at 01:52 PM (#2414975)
Could be Chili Davis but he has a ton of kids. Perhaps when they mentioned the two kids they were not talking about all of his kids just the kids they couldn't reach yet.

Could be Moreno but again he has 3 kids.

Could be Todd Stottlemyre

Could be Jim Bruske
   10. pkb33 Posted: June 24, 2007 at 02:28 PM (#2414998)
Agree, it is much worse to post for the purpose of saying "I know but I won't tell you" than simply to let it go...all this approach does is encourage rumor mongoring which (if you think about it for a few seconds) is likely to cause rumors to fly about sommeone's death when they haven't passed, and that likely will affectthe family and children of those people.

If you don't feel comfortable sharing the info you have, then there's no point in posting anything at all about it. We are all worse off now than before this thread started, even the children.
   11. McCoy Posted: June 24, 2007 at 02:54 PM (#2415009)
Well now this is getting sillier. The man lived on the 5900 block of east ludlow drive in Phoenix Arizona.
   12. Bull Pain Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:02 PM (#2415012)
According to the USPS website, there is no 5900 block of East Ludlow. Numbers stop in the 4600's.
   13. McCoy Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:05 PM (#2415013)
Well on the maps there is an East Ludlow Drive that runs between 58th street and 60th street.

Google Maps
   14. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:06 PM (#2415014)
According to the USPS website, there is no 5900 block of East Ludlow. Numbers stop in the 4600's.

According to google maps, there is a 5900 block of East Ludlow in Scottsdale.
   15. E., Hinske Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:06 PM (#2415015)
According to Google Maps, it exists but it's in Scottsdale. Who do you trust more, Google or the US Government?

Houses there look nice but not super rich,
   16. Guy LeDouche Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:08 PM (#2415017)
"What is the point of posting things like this at all? That goes for BTF and at the "East Valley Tribune," whatever that is.

These things apparently serve only to gratify the person who says "ohh.. I know but I can't tell you... but I know.. did I mention that I know? And you don't?" "



Amen, brother. Was just about to post this exactly.
   17. Bull Pain Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:12 PM (#2415020)
It's probably Scottsdale, although the AZ Republic "article" calls it NE Phoenix. Some lousy journalism on all ends.
   18. Padgett Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:14 PM (#2415022)
Holy ####.

(edited because I messed up the link)

(edited again: am I wrong for posting that?)

(edited once again, removing link)
   19. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:18 PM (#2415024)
If that's him, he wasn't even 40 yet.
   20. McCoy Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:18 PM (#2415025)
I was just about to post that
   21. Guy LeDouche Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:18 PM (#2415026)
You talking about the retired closer?

Are you a PI in training or just a very good stalker?, Just kidding.

Sad if true.
   22. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:19 PM (#2415028)
(edited again: am I wrong for posting that?)


Well, I admit I was trying to find out who it might be myself. Not mentioning the name in your post was proper, IMO.
   23. Padgett Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:23 PM (#2415030)
Are you a PI in training or just a very good stalker?, Just kidding.
Neither, hopefully. What's crazy is that I was originally posting how my reverse address searches (in Phoenix) from earlier today turned up nothing. And then I was going to append a link to the same but using Scottsdale instead when I scrolled down the results page and saw the name. Then I got a bit shaken.

I can't believe the newspapers couldn't have figured out how to do the same thing. There must be some unspoken agreement not to release the name until they get police approval. That, or my guess is wrong.
   24. Rusty Priske Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:25 PM (#2415031)
That's not an 'unspoken agreement'. It is just common human decency...which apparently is not all that common.
   25. McCoy Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:25 PM (#2415032)
I'm pretty sure the newspaper knew who it was but did not release the name. If they knew the block he was living on and the comings and goings of the people in the house after the discovery I'm thinking they have to know by then.
   26. Padgett Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:27 PM (#2415033)
I feel too guilty now. I've edited my above post.
   27. pkb33 Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:29 PM (#2415034)
Running part of the story without running the name makes zero sense---what you end up with is this: people guessing and throwing out names and information.

If you aren't willing to run with the name, you shouldn't report any details at all. It's asinine to give the amount of info they gave without giving the name, and it most certainly doesn't reflect human decency---creating a guessing game is in no one's best interests.
   28. E., Hinske Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:32 PM (#2415035)
Where did the part about the 5900 block come from? It's not in the story. As it is, the story isn't that bad, because there's nothing in there to give it away. The 5900 block bit is damning, as Padgett showed.
   29. Tony H. Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:32 PM (#2415036)
The wikipedia page for that particularly person is updated already, for what it's worth.
   30. Bull Pain Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:33 PM (#2415037)
This "article" gives away the block.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0623death0624.html
   31. pkb33 Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:33 PM (#2415038)
My understanding is the 5900 block info was reported elsehwere (e.g. the article linked above this post).
   32. Darren Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:37 PM (#2415039)
The stuff about "former closer" and wikipedia tells you who this is but just makes it a little work to figure it out. I don't see how it's different than just using his name.
   33. Howie Menckel Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:39 PM (#2415041)
Yes, newspapers typically agree not to name the person until next of kin are informed.
There are exceptions, but usually only if they are incredibly prominent and it is impossible or improper (as could be the case of a high-ranking political figure) not to inform the public immediatey.
   34. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:46 PM (#2415043)
He was a lot younger than I thought.
   35. Jeff K. Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:48 PM (#2415047)
Dude, who the hell is it? Stop monkeying around in the name of "decency".
   36. McCoy Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:52 PM (#2415048)
here you go
   37. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:54 PM (#2415050)
You should have just used the Goldheart Mountaintop Queen Directory to look it up...
   38. Jeff K. Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:54 PM (#2415052)
Thank you. Oh, and by the way, GSfRB is not the kind of person to be attention-whoring. Perhaps it was useless to post without the name, but ascribing motives to why he did so isn't cool.
   39. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:59 PM (#2415054)
That goes for BTF and at the "East Valley Tribune," whatever that is.


If memory serves (I went to school out there), it's the current, probably expanded incarnation of the Mesa daily newspaper. Which raises the question of why they're covering something in Scottsdale, on the other side of the Salt River ...
   40. Squash Posted: June 24, 2007 at 03:59 PM (#2415055)
He was a lot younger than I thought.

I was looking at his BBRef page a few months ago and thought the exact same thing - he looked older, maybe because of the body type, maybe because of the facial hair. He was a star closer at 24 which is rare.
   41. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:01 PM (#2415059)
I actually thought he was older than me, but I had three years on him.
   42. Howie Menckel Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:02 PM (#2415060)
This unofficial nominee never pitched for the Diamondbacks and isn't one of the names speculated on in earlier posts, if that helps any.
   43. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:03 PM (#2415061)
I'm not attention whoring. (Thanks for the defense, Jeff.)
I found this out last night because I know the reporter from the link I posted. Posting without the name was necessary, but not for reasons that have to do with BBTF, not at all. To repeat from the story:
Police said the prominent person has two young children who are away at camp, and until the kids are notified, the person’s name won’t be released.
Good enough for me.
   44. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:03 PM (#2415062)
The BR Bullpen has him dying two days ago.
   45. pkb33 Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:05 PM (#2415063)
Why post it at all is the question----how is anyone better off hearing that 'someone somewhere died and he played baseball' rather than waiting for enough info to be released?
   46. McCoy Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:05 PM (#2415065)
Yeah but you spilled the beans, at least on BTF. Nowhere in the article does it say it was a baseball player. Only you knowing that made it a baseball story. Without your knowledge of this this article would never have been posted here and the potential for stress for the kids and to others never would have existed here on BTF.
   47. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:07 PM (#2415066)
The BR Bullpen has him dying two days ago.

Which very well may have happened. (How BR Bullpen would know that, if true, is weird.)
   48. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:08 PM (#2415068)
Oh, c'mon. Are his kids Primates? Not very likely. I'd say the update on Wikipedia is a lot more likely to lead to public dissemination. I trust all of the hand-wringers have already rushed over there & deleted the info.
   49. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:09 PM (#2415069)
If memory serves (I went to school out there), it's the current, probably expanded incarnation of the Mesa daily newspaper. Which raises the question of why they're covering something in Scottsdale, on the other side of the Salt River ...
It is, but the Tribune also covers Scottsdale. This was, I think, deemed close enough with a prominent name to justify posting on the Web.
   50. McCoy Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:10 PM (#2415070)
Oh, c'mon. Are his kids Primates? Not very likely. I'd say the update on Wikipedia is a lot more likely to lead to public dissemination. I trust all of the hand-wringers have already rushed over there & deleted the info.

Yep they did.
   51. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:10 PM (#2415071)
Well, the cat is certainly out of the bag now. What happened?
   52. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:12 PM (#2415072)
Oh, c'mon. Are his kids Primates? Not very likely. I'd say the update on Wikipedia is a lot more likely to lead to public dissemination. I trust all of the hand-wringers have already rushed over there & deleted the info.

Yep they did.


Well, I have to say, there's something to be said for consistency.
   53. Old Matt Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:16 PM (#2415075)
Oh, this is a shame. RIP.
   54. Jeff K. Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:16 PM (#2415076)
Oh, c'mon. Are his kids Primates?

Even if they are, how likely is it that they're somewhere where they can surf Primer, but not be contacted by authorities or the rest of their family?
   55. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:18 PM (#2415079)
Oh, this is a shame. RIP.
It is. Young guy. Seemed like a salt-of-the-earth fellow. And for a while there, a hell of an arm.
   56. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:20 PM (#2415080)
Date of death back up on Wiki.
   57. Jeff K. Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:21 PM (#2415081)
The information is back on Wikipedia. Curiously, it was removed twice by the same poster as "potentially libelous". I'm curious how he got to that position. That's not libel, even if it's false.
   58. McCoy Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:21 PM (#2415083)
nope it is back down again, and it is protected now.
   59. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:21 PM (#2415084)
Well, nobody in the press box in DC has heard anything about this. Though that isn't really *surprising*.
   60. Dan Szymborski Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:22 PM (#2415085)
The death date should have been removed - things on Wiki should be properly sourced before posting, even if they are undeniably true.
   61. Jeff K. Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:25 PM (#2415089)
The death date should have been removed - things on Wiki should be properly sourced before posting, even if they are undeniably true.

That's probably correct. However, the given reason is patently stupid.
   62. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:25 PM (#2415092)
The BR Bullpen has him dying two days ago.


It has been changed to yesterday.
   63. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:27 PM (#2415093)
That's not libel, even if it's false.
If it was true, Bob Hope could've sued the AP for killing him off.
And as the lawsuit was working its way through the courts, he would've died, rendering the suit moot.
   64. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:30 PM (#2415096)
The BR Bullpen has him dying two days ago.



It has been changed to yesterday
.


Clearly, the BR Bullpen people are history's greatest monsters.
   65. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:31 PM (#2415098)
I didn't know he left spring training in 2004 to deal with "an unspecified personal problem."
   66. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:43 PM (#2415109)
RIP. I liked him when I lived in San Francisco.
   67. Amit Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:43 PM (#2415112)
No exactly a poster child for clean living, was he.
   68. McCoy Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:44 PM (#2415114)
I didn't know he left spring training in 2004 to deal with "an unspecified personal problem."

Wasn't that the year he came to spring training in a camper with his family?
   69. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:45 PM (#2415116)
RIP. I liked him when I lived in San Francisco.
But after you moved you thought he was a dick?
   70. PerroX Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:46 PM (#2415119)
He was living in a van down by the river at some point, no?
   71. WillYoung Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:48 PM (#2415122)
He was living in a van down by the river at some point, no?

The Des Moines River, IIRC
   72. Bull Pain Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:48 PM (#2415123)
http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/2003/0515/1554407.html

Article about him living in a trailer while playing for Iowa in 2003.
   73. McCoy Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:50 PM (#2415126)
Article about him living in a trailer while playing for Iowa in 2003.

That was what I remember.
   74. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:51 PM (#2415127)
GSfRB, do you know the details?
   75. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:52 PM (#2415129)
Just saw one blog post, passing on the rumor he was found in his car.
Could be a suicide, which would be even sadder.
   76. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:54 PM (#2415131)
GSfRB, do you know the details?
No, sorry. Friend didn't have much last night, and I haven't talked to her this morning.
   77. Bull Pain Posted: June 24, 2007 at 04:56 PM (#2415133)
"Phoenix police said they were called to a northeast Phoenix home for a call of an unknown death and discovered a person dead and alone"

This quote from the article made me think it wasn't in the house. Sounds like whoever called the police knew there was a death involved. If he died in his house, there's no way anyone outside would know.
   78. xbhaskarx Posted: June 24, 2007 at 05:01 PM (#2415142)
having just come across all this, i'm going to guess jason grimsley.
   79. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: June 24, 2007 at 05:02 PM (#2415143)
having just come across all this, i'm going to guess jason grimsley.


Didn't read the thread, eh?
   80. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 05:02 PM (#2415144)
having just come across all this, i'm going to guess jason grimsley.
Heh.
   81. ian Posted: June 24, 2007 at 05:06 PM (#2415153)
Didn't read the thread, eh?

Not that it helps much.

The decent thing to do when death might be involved is to post so as to encourage rumors, apparently.
   82. Jeff K. Posted: June 24, 2007 at 05:14 PM (#2415171)
The decent thing to do when death might be involved is to post so as to encourage rumors, apparently.

Don't like it? Don't read it. Don't click on the thread, when it's apparent that's what it is in the intro. Them's the breaks.
   83. pkb33 Posted: June 24, 2007 at 05:51 PM (#2415262)
Don't like it? Don't read it. Don't click on the thread, when it's apparent that's what it is in the intro. Them's the breaks.

Better to hope that there will be a modicum of intelligence and judgment exercised in the future in beginning threads, I think, which avoid errors like this one.

The comment you are responding to, just FYI, is applicable to the intro as well and thus, your response misses the point anyway.
   84. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: June 24, 2007 at 05:53 PM (#2415267)
this really sucks to see this. while he gave many people heart attacks when out there on the mound he always got the job done, i would have preferred him to dempster
   85. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 05:56 PM (#2415273)
Better to hope that there will be a modicum of intelligence and judgment exercised in the future in beginning threads, I think, which avoid errors like this one.
There is no error. What I posted is straight from the Phoenix police, with an added fact that makes the news pertinent to BBTF.
   86. Dudefella Posted: June 24, 2007 at 06:01 PM (#2415292)
There is no error. What I posted is straight from the Phoenix police, with an added fact that makes the news pertinent to BBTF.


Yes, but again, why not simply wait until the player's name is released so as to avoid all of the speculation? As far as I can tell, it does no one any good to post "Someone died. Baseball player. Can't say who."
   87. pkb33 Posted: June 24, 2007 at 06:03 PM (#2415306)
You're missing what the error was, I believe. Try post 81 for a hint.

Were you under the impression that posting "some baseball player died, but I won't tell you whom" was likely to lead to productive discussion? If so, of what exactly, and why?

I simply don't see it, but perhaps you have a different approach.
   88. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 06:06 PM (#2415323)
Yes, but again, why not simply wait until the player's name is released so as to avoid all of the speculation?
Check the Web: unsourced rumors - with the name - are out there. Please defend the alternative of posting those.
   89. pkb33 Posted: June 24, 2007 at 06:11 PM (#2415334)
Please answer what discussion you thought would result from your post, at the time you posted it (not afterwards, when the actual name was being bandied on the web) first.

I simply can't imagine what productive thing you thought would be accomplished here.
   90. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 24, 2007 at 06:13 PM (#2415343)
Someone prominent will die next month. I can't say whom yet until his or her kids find out.
   91. Dudefella Posted: June 24, 2007 at 06:15 PM (#2415348)
Check the Web: unsourced rumors - with the name - are out there. Please defend the alternative of posting those.


Er, I'm puzzled as to why you think that course of action's the natural alternative. I certainly don't believe that anyone on this thread suggested that you should've done so. It seems to me that posting nothing until you could provide a properly sourced story would have been more productive.
   92. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 06:15 PM (#2415349)
I simply can't imagine what productive thing you thought would be accomplished here.
Well, I couldn't imagine what a bunch of ethically-holier-than-thou gits would reply.
   93. Dudefella Posted: June 24, 2007 at 06:16 PM (#2415359)
Well, I couldn't imagine what a bunch of ethically-holier-than-thou gits would reply.


It has nothing to do with ethics. I don't think that it's unethical to post what you posted, merely unhelpful. You're also not answering his question.
   94. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 06:16 PM (#2415360)
But, to answer your question, I posted the story to pass info that people here would want to know and would discuss. (Frankly, I didn’t think it would take Phoenix PD so long to release the name.) Grandstanding isn’t my style, and out of respect for the man and the authorities I wasn’t about to coyly start dropping hints.
   95. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 06:17 PM (#2415366)
Someone prominent will die next month. I can't say whom yet until his or her kids find out.
And the link to the story quoting the police is where?
   96. pkb33 Posted: June 24, 2007 at 06:17 PM (#2415367)
Well, I couldn't imagine what a bunch of ethically-holier-than-thou gits would reply.

That's what you didn't expect, whether it's a reasonable characterization. What exactly did you expect?
   97. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 06:19 PM (#2415379)
If BBTF had an archive search worth a damn, it would be informative to see how the Darryl Kile news was handled here.
   98. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 06:22 PM (#2415382)
Perhaps everyone here would’ve liked it better had I posted the name and said “But I don’t have proof - just trust me on this.”
   99. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan Posted: June 24, 2007 at 06:23 PM (#2415386)
And the link to the story quoting the police is where?

Here
   100. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 24, 2007 at 06:25 PM (#2415398)
North Side, re-read that exchange.
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