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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Sunday, February 02, 2014Salisbury: Getting the read on Ryne Sandberg
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Posted: February 02, 2014 at 09:48 AM | 29 comment(s)
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1. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 02, 2014 at 10:43 AM (#4650055)In baseball most post 30 year old players are going to be the type of people that take their profession seriously while a good chunk of 20 to 24 year olds are not.
The Phillies have planned ahead by avoiding having many good young players.
Hopefully Bobby Abreu can provide a positive lazy role model to counter Bowa's approach.
But it's not even accurate on that level. Mantle and Ford, the 80s Mets and, hell, just about every player in the 70s was going out on the town. I mean in what decade of baseball history were players - even those who had it made - not "hitting the streets" and trying to post good numbers.
He's already put in more stringent rules than Cholly (not hard to do!), like an enforced report time to standing in unison for the national anthem.
I'm not seeing it with this team...My guess is that lots of players will object to this, but that Brown will be singled out because of race and age, and that he will have a terrible season, be run down by the team, and flipped by August.
And Ted, Stan, Warren, and Hank did not. The point wasn't that every single player throughout baseball conforms perfectly to this view but that in any given time the "older generation" is a biased sample pool and the "younger generation" gets a biased view against it because of the young kids who wash out.
It took Sandberg quite a while to notice that Rafael Palmeiro was apparently having fun after losses in the '80s. ;-)
Assuming that the incident Sandberg is referring to about players hitting the streets of Montreal after a loss happened in 1994, before he retired, it can only be this game. The next day, the Cubs were at the Mets beat them, 9-5.
Yes, but he didn't have Brian McCann to show him the RIGHT right way.
2. The 93 Cubs were a pretty veteran team with the only youngsters of note being Sosa, Derrick May and Frank Castillo. The 94 Cubs added three young pitchers in Trachsel, Banks and Foster. And we're still talking guys who were 24-25 at that time, not exactly the crazy kid age. Foster was a bit of a disappointment but only because he was so awesome in 94.
2a. When he came back in 96, Sosa, Castillo, Trachsel, Foster, Grace were still there. Just how much paryting could Derrick May and Willie Banks have done?
3. Still Sandberg was less than 10 years older than these guys, hard to call this a generation gap.
4. It's an odd coincidence that Sandberg retired in the middle of a season in which his personal stats were terrible.
5. It had never sunk in that the year Sandberg retired was also the strike year.
As McCoy suggests, I can well believe that the Cubs losing culture grated on Sandberg but I doubt it had much to do with the late-night antics of the "next generation" although I can imagine a young Sosa could have gotten his goat. But I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Grace (30), Hill (29), Wilson (38), etc. were doing more late-night partying than the kids were.
So I'm calling old-man shenanigans on this story. Sandberg hit a professional and personal wall in 94 and decided the best thing for him was to walk away. I have no reason to question that decision but it wouldn't be surprising if someone in that situation looked back on it in a way that put more of the "blame" on others.
From an employer's perspective, I'd be asking him about that in the interviews. It was 20 years ago of course but I'd want to know what lesson he learned from that. I understand getting fed up and walking away (I've done it) as the article suggests but it's not exactly an example of great leadership. What is he going to do when the Phils are on pace for a 100-loss season, some vets are traded away so he's now surrounded by under-talented kids and (to pick a possibility) Domonic Brown seems focused on hitting 30 HR more than driving the team somehow to 67 wins?
Well, there was a time when players didn't need to hit the street because they could get what they wanted from Ryne Sandberg's wife.
That sounds like a good description of Babe Ruth.
his wife sleazing around him is more than a decade in the past
it's a curious thing. he never showed this side as a player
Apparently Ruth like a good time.
Young men, wealth and fame..it's the perfect storm for carousing. I think most of us who are honest with ourselves if put in a similar position; 20's, wealthy, famous and single might have indulged just a bit.
Made me snicker anyway.
Sometimes ex-players can't win here.
Now it makes sense.
He ran out the standard complaint that his generation was a bunch of hard-working guys who cared about the game, and the "next generation" of was a bunch of stats-obsessed party animals who didn't care about the game. You may like that kind of crap, but I don't.
I'm betting Mark Grace has said something similar to "sure I was out till 4 am every night, but I still got up, sobered up, and played my ass off every game, because I respected the game, not like these present day nancies whining about days off and irregular sleep cycles!'" at least once by now.
Uh, Sandberg has a significantly better peak than Whitaker (not that Lou didn't deserve to get in). Whitaker's best season would be Sandberg's fifth best.
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