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Friday, March 16, 2012

Salvador Perez out 3-4 months after knee surgery; Royals interested in Ivan Rodriguez?

Free Max Ramirez!

[Salvador] Perez underwent his scheduled knee surgery today and the Royals announced afterward that he’s expected to be out for 12-14 weeks, which would mean a mid-June return at the earliest.

In other words, there’s a strong chance the 21-year-old catcher will miss the entire first half of the season, which is an awfully tough break so soon after signing a long-term contract extension that could potentially keep him in Kansas City through 2019.

For now Brayan Pena will move atop the catching depth chart, but Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star speculated this morning that the Royals could be interested in 40-year-old Ivan Rodriguez as a veteran replacement.

The District Attorney Posted: March 16, 2012 at 03:40 PM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 16, 2012 at 04:27 PM (#4082411)
Jason Kendall lurks.
   2. Paul D(uda) Posted: March 16, 2012 at 04:58 PM (#4082428)

Isn't Pena fine as a backup?
   3. AJMcCringleberry Posted: March 16, 2012 at 05:17 PM (#4082440)
In other words, there’s a strong chance the 21-year-old catcher will miss the entire first half of the season, which is an awfully tough break so soon after signing a long-term contract extension that could potentially keep him in Kansas City through 2019.

Sign contract, then get hurt. Sounds like a lucky break to me.
   4. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: March 16, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4082452)
Is there any data on how many 40 year old catchers have played in MLB?

All I can think of offhand is Fisk. Posada was close. Tom Berenger in Major League, maybe.
   5. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: March 16, 2012 at 05:39 PM (#4082473)
Bob Boone made it past 40, I think.
   6. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: March 16, 2012 at 05:48 PM (#4082486)
Is there any data on how many 40 year old catchers have played in MLB?


20+ games at catcher, aged 40+, 1901-2011, sorted by WAR:

Rk           Player WAR/pos Year Age  Tm   G  PA
1      Carlton Fisk     5.1 1990  42 CHW 137 521
2      Carlton Fisk     3.5 1989  41 CHW 103 419
3         Bob Boone     3.1 1988  40 CAL 122 392
4      Carlton Fisk     2.6 1988  40 CHW  76 298
5         Bob Boone     2.2 1989  41 KCR 131 469
6      Carlton Fisk     1.6 1991  43 CHW 134 501
7    Deacon McGuire     1.1 1906  42 NYY  51 159
8      Chief Zimmer     1.1 1902  41 PIT  42 163
9    Gabby Hartnett     1.0 1941  40 NYG  64 165
10     Rick Dempsey     0.7 1991  41 MIL  61 174
11     Rick Ferrell     0.7 1947  41 WSH  37 115
12    Walker Cooper     0.6 1955  40 CHC  54 119
13   Deacon McGuire     0.5 1905  41 NYY  72 254
14     Carlton Fisk     0.4 1992  44 CHW  62 214
15      Brad Ausmus     0.3 2009  40 LAD  36 107
16     Chief Zimmer     0.3 1901  40 PIT  69 267
17      Pat Borders     0.2 2004  41 TOT  38  99
18     Rick Dempsey     0.2 1990  40 LAD  62 151
19     Chief Zimmer     0.1 1903  42 PHI  37 133
20     Sandy Alomar     0.0 2006  40 TOT  46 113
21        Bob Boone    
-0.1 1990  42 KCR  40 136
22   Deacon McGuire    
-0.1 1904  40 NYY 101 357
23      Brad Ausmus    
-0.3 2010  41 LAD  21  71
24     Wally Schang    
-0.3 1931  41 DET  30  91
25      Pat Borders    
-0.4 2005  42 SEA  39 125
26     Wally Schang    
-0.4 1930  40 PHA  45 116
27     Jack OConnor    
-0.5 1907  41 SLB  25  92
28   Frank Bowerman    
-0.6 1909  40 BSN  33 102
29     Carlton Fisk    
-0.7 1993  45 CHW  25  58
30     Jack OConnor    
-0.7 1906  40 SLB  55 184
31        Tony Pena    
-1.5 1997  40 TOT  40  98 


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 3/16/2012.

EDIT: Added games and PA
   7. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: March 16, 2012 at 06:05 PM (#4082506)
Pat Borders is my favorite on the list in #6. Most of the others were really good players over the length of their careers, but Borders was done as a first-string catcher at age 31 and was unable to get a MLB job out of Spring Training by his age-36 season. So he went and played in Buffalo before getting a few games in MLB, and did much the same thing every year for the rest of his career. He played in the minors each year from his age-36 to his age-43 season, a total of 500 minor league games, almost all of them at catcher. There were a few admiring and slightly bewildered articles about him at the time.
   8. McCoy Posted: March 16, 2012 at 06:06 PM (#4082509)
I can't remember what but Ivan Rodriguez needed to come back for something this season. Perhaps it was hitting a homer as a teenager and as a 40 year old.
   9. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 16, 2012 at 06:17 PM (#4082519)
He needs 14 more GIDP to break Cal Ripken's all-time record. The Royals will get a lot of baserunners compared to most teams that might give playing time to a 40-year-old Ivan Rodriguez, so it's the perfect fit.
   10. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 16, 2012 at 06:19 PM (#4082521)
Benito Santiago started 6 games at age 40 in the month between the time the Pirates traded TAFKA Leo Nuñez for him, and the time they waived him.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: March 16, 2012 at 07:10 PM (#4082575)
Not to mention Borders' play for the US Olympic team. Strange dude, seems to like baseball or something.

Pudge has a very outside shot at 3000 hits if he plays this year and next.
   12. flournoy Posted: March 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM (#4082776)
There were a few admiring and slightly bewildered articles about [Borders] at the time.


My favorite was a young teammate quoted as telling him something to the effect of, "I remember watching your dad play in the '92 World Series."
   13. Dan Szymborski Posted: March 17, 2012 at 12:31 AM (#4082814)
In the Pat Borders vein, Steve Ontiveros's career was pretty cool, too. He attempted to come back every year from his previous year's arm surgery, played in the Western League for a year, managed to get a final cup of coffee in Boston, and then still came back for another year in the minors at age 40.
   14. Greg K Posted: March 17, 2012 at 06:46 AM (#4082909)
One of my fondest memories is sitting in a packed SkyDome watching Game Six of the World Series in Atlanta on the massive screen and having 50,000 people chant "MVP" every time Pat Borders came up. It was a really great way to watch the game. Inbetween innings yahoos would run onto the field and evade security for a while providing no end of entertainment and not interfering with the actual game.

Also there were good crowd reactions to the commercials for the proposed Charlottetown Accord constitutional ammendment referendum (which now that I look it up took place two days later).

Plus we poured onto the field after the game and my dad got some dirt from home plate...I got to participate in a half-hearted group attempt to overturn a subway train. Oh yeah, and winning the World Series. What more could a 9 year old hope for in an evening?

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