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Thursday, August 27, 2009

Samuel, Trembley rip O’s for base-running errors

Career Stolen Bases…

Samuel - 396 - 143 - 73%
Trembley - 0 - 0 - 0/100%

A day after Felix Pie’s two gaffes on the bases contributed to a 7-6 loss to the Minnesota Twins, Orioles manager Dave Trembley and third base coach Juan Samuel took accountability for the team’s poor base running this season, but said the responsibility ultimately lies with the players.

“For some reason, they’re not processing it,” said Samuel, who has served as the Orioles’ base running coach the past three seasons. “It’s just a lack of concentration because they know. They are major league players or at least we think some of them are. To me, some of them are not. Some of them to me have to be thankful that expansion came because some of them wouldn’t be here. Some of the stuff that you see them do is not OK. You’re going to tell me that they are in the big leagues and don’t know how to run the bases?”

...While Trembley said that he took full responsibility, he also said that he “doesn’t buy” the theory that bad base running is entirely the fault of the manager and coaching staff.

“You don’t have a little sound piece in somebody’s helmet out there,” said Trembley, who described the state of base running in the majors as ‘atrocious.’ “Base running is instinct, base running is anticipation, base running is the score, the situation, the number of outs, how important is my run and who’s on deck. It’s all instincts. The coach doesn’t tell you when to go and when to stop. It’s too late. When you’re out there playing this game, you’re on your own. All of that stuff is predetermined.

“I take full responsibility, but the player should be accountable. What am I going to tell Felix Pie last night when he’s at second base and there’s a foul ball right in front of the dugout? Do you think you’re invisible? Come on.”

Thanks to Schmuck.

 

Repoz Posted: August 27, 2009 at 04:19 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DKDC Posted: August 27, 2009 at 04:38 AM (#3306418)
So you're saying it's a bad idea to try to tag up from second base on a foul pop-up?
   2. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 27, 2009 at 04:46 AM (#3306419)
You know what the problem is?

Lollygagging!
   3. Curse of the Andino Posted: August 27, 2009 at 05:38 AM (#3306433)
I'd agree with it all being on the O's players, and not the coaches, except for one thing. That thing, is Aubrey Huff.

Aubrey Huff is not a speedster. He does not strike fear into the hearts of catchers around the world. I rather suspect that, if you asked Huff whether he wanted his own "green light," he'd indicate a certain measure of fatigue at the mere thought of running unnecessarily hard, (save to fulfill a promise he made to Daniel Cabrera in spring training, owing to the latter's inability to hold runners.)

So: Huff doesn't run. Who decided to go hit-and-running with Aubrey Huff on first? Huff was caught stealing six times. Six times. I repeat, Six Times! Often on hit and run plays where the ball was not, in fact, hit, and Huff stopped off for his usual plate of wings between first and 2nd, getting thrown out by 75 feet.

Could it have been, perhaps, the manager behind some of this?
If so, isn't Trembly, along with the Melvin Mora school of baserunning, somewhat to blame?

Pie's just trying to follow examples...
   4. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: August 27, 2009 at 01:44 PM (#3306523)
Samuel and Trembley need to go. These comments are incredibly unprofessional. And if the players are on their own out there, why bother having coaches at all?
   5. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 27, 2009 at 01:54 PM (#3306537)
Some guys are clueless on the bases. I love Bill Hall like a son, but the lad would repeatedly run into outs. It was maddening. Felipe Lopez is another guy who seems dazed while on the bases. He has only been with the Crew a short time and has managed to get picked off or run into outs five times already. It's as if he needs a GPS system on his wrist to know which direction to run.
   6. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: August 27, 2009 at 02:22 PM (#3306574)
While Trembley said that he took full responsibility, he also said that he “doesn’t buy” the theory that bad base running is entirely the fault of the manager and coaching staff.


So he doesn't take full responsibility, then?
   7. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 27, 2009 at 03:06 PM (#3306601)
Samuel and Trembley need to go. These comments are incredibly unprofessional. And if the players are on their own out there, why bother having coaches at all?
I didn't think Trembley's comments were that bad -- sarcastic, yes, but not unjustified. But Samuel's comments were pathetic. "You wouldn't be here if it weren't for expansion?" WTF? First, WTF? Second, the last expansion was a dozen years ago; time to stop talking about it. Third, it's a stupid cliche; I mean, it's mathematically true that some players would not be in the majors if not for expansion, but so what? Fourth, people who live in glass houses... Samuel was not exactly known for his baseball smarts as a player.
   8. Maxwn Posted: August 27, 2009 at 03:13 PM (#3306606)
So he doesn't take full responsibility, then?

"I take full responsibility," strikes me as one of those phrases that is only ever used when it isn't true, kind of like "It's not about the money." When's the last time someone said "I take full responsibility" and didn't follow it up with some sort of weasally excuse or blame-shifting.
   9. Cris E Posted: August 27, 2009 at 03:16 PM (#3306614)
So he doesn't take full responsibility, then?

not-Trembly: "If those guys were better I wouldn't have to stand here and pretend it's my fault."


Could it have been, perhaps, the manager behind some of this?

Tom Kelly used to send Kent Hrbek on hit and runs to avoid the DP, but you gotta have a contact guy at the plate or it's pretty dumb looking.
   10. Cris E Posted: August 27, 2009 at 03:22 PM (#3306621)
The thing you do to fix this, especially when you're re-making the team with youngsters, is kill someone and nail his hide to the barn door. That is, start making fundamentals part of the new Oriole way, get rid of a player or two that can't or won't get on board, and make it clear that this matters when it comes to roster decisions. That's on the GM and the manager, so it might be time to sweep out Trembley as a first step in the process. What's Buck Showalter up to these days, anyway?
   11. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: August 27, 2009 at 03:54 PM (#3306667)
start making fundamentals part of the new Oriole way


But that's what everyone said Trembley would do when he was hired!

What's the recourse here? Fire Trembley and hire yet another manager who says he stresses fundamentals and good, clean Oriole way baseball?

As for the GM, it seems that MacPhail has made more positive steps than his recent predecessors (I know, I know; damning with faint praise).
   12. RJ in TO Posted: August 27, 2009 at 03:56 PM (#3306671)
What's the recourse here?


Bring in Sam H as a coach, and give him a title like "Designated Neck Stabber."
   13. Maxwn Posted: August 27, 2009 at 04:01 PM (#3306680)
Bring in Sam H as a coach, and give him a title like "Designated Neck Stabber."

This sounds like the best plan to me.
   14. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 27, 2009 at 04:03 PM (#3306683)
When are they going to hire Ripken to manage?
   15. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: August 27, 2009 at 04:14 PM (#3306701)
What's the recourse here? Fire Trembley and hire yet another manager who says he stresses fundamentals and good, clean Oriole way baseball?

Hire a better manager and coaches.

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