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Wednesday, June 13, 2018

Sandy Alderson takes responsibility for Mets’ woes

His team spiraling and questions about its short-term ceiling and big-picture path increasingly relevant, general manager Sandy Alderson took the blame Tuesday for the state of the Mets.

“We’re not satisfied and to date, the work that we’ve done hasn’t been successful,” Alderson said during a conference call. “I take full responsibility for where we are. I’m not happy about it. But at the same time, the job now is to figure out how to fix it and improve that. That’s what we’re focused on over the next several weeks.”

The Mets’ next several weeks will be critical in deciding their fate for both this season (will they be buyers or sellers at the trade deadline?) and perhaps beyond (will they retool on the fly to try again next year or go for a bigger rebuild?).

I don’t believe that the Mets ever will be consistently successful under Alderson. His management team does not draft or develop players well enough to build a consistent winner with a mid-range payroll. Philly and Atlanta have had the same constraints and seem to be in much better situations as an organization.

Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 13, 2018 at 02:49 PM | 44 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 03:18 PM (#5691439)
Whoop-de-damn-doo.
   2. Adam Starblind Posted: June 13, 2018 at 03:20 PM (#5691442)
If they trade deGrom or Syndergaard, I'm done. I remember David Cone. I don't remember Seaver, but I've heard of that one too.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 03:21 PM (#5691443)
If they trade deGrom or Syndergaard, I'm done.

I can't imagine they trade either.
   4. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 13, 2018 at 03:46 PM (#5691467)
If they trade deGrom or Syndergaard, I'm done.

Kind of depends who they get. DeGrom is a great pitcher but he is 30. If they could get a young hitter for him, I would listen.
   5. PreservedFish Posted: June 13, 2018 at 03:48 PM (#5691472)
Mets are not a rebuilding type of team. I don't think they'll trade them.
   6. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 03:54 PM (#5691477)
The counter to this discussion is, if they're not going to trade them, will they sign them? My attitude has been similar to Adam's above. I'll be crushed if they go into full rebuild. PF is right; they are not typically the tear it down type of team.
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 03:58 PM (#5691480)
The counter to this discussion is, if they're not going to trade them, will they sign them?

Syndergaard, yes, if he can show some consistent health. DeGrom, no. They already control him past his 32nd birthday.
   8. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 04:03 PM (#5691488)
Syndergaard, yes, if he can show some consistent health. DeGrom, no. They already control him past his 32nd birthday.


You would hope they could pay one of them.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 04:16 PM (#5691499)
You would hope they could pay one of them.

I think they will. And they'll pay the guy that's 4.5 years younger.
   10. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 04:19 PM (#5691502)
Naturally that makes sense. On the other hand...if deGrom is terrible by the time he's 32, he actually becomes a prime candidate in the eyes of the Mets front office.
   11. Lassus Posted: June 13, 2018 at 04:28 PM (#5691512)
- golf clap -
   12. Jess Franco Posted: June 13, 2018 at 04:36 PM (#5691529)
Mets are not a rebuilding type of team

They are playing .320 ball over the past 50 games. Rebuilding would be a step up.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 04:45 PM (#5691541)
They are playing .320 ball over the past 50 games. Rebuilding would be a step up.

The funny thing is, if you can get the team at full strength, they shouldn't be bad in 2019.

OF is Cespedes, Nimmo, Conforto. Frazier at 3B, Rosario at SS, Mesoraco at C, bring back Cabrera to play 2B. Rotation of DeGrom, Syndergaard, Matz, Wheeler. That's not a team the needs tearing down. Bruce needs to learn 1B, if he remembers how to hit.

Of course if Cespedes is never going to be healthy again, Conforto is broken, and Rosario doesn't develop a bat, then they're in trouble.
   14. Leroy Kincaid Posted: June 13, 2018 at 04:46 PM (#5691543)
I take full responsibility for where we are


So he's resigning immediately? What's the point of taking responsibility if there are no consequences?
   15. Jess Franco Posted: June 13, 2018 at 05:15 PM (#5691576)
DeGrom is fantastic, and Nimmo looks like a keeper. But what other players can be expected to get better in time? I dunno.

The other problem is the Braves and Phillies have big upsides across the board. And the Nats have an outstanding track record of excellence.

Maybe you don't tear down, but some new construction is needed.
   16. asinwreck Posted: June 13, 2018 at 05:17 PM (#5691578)
The Mets just willingly used a roster spot on Chris Beck. That should trigger an investigation of whether they are deliberately trying to lose.
   17. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 05:26 PM (#5691585)
The funny thing is, if you can get the team at full strength, they shouldn't be bad in 2019.


Unfortunately that's the same thing that we said coming into 2018.
   18. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 13, 2018 at 05:36 PM (#5691592)
Uh-oh. They've officially got woes.
   19. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 05:46 PM (#5691600)
Ya Gotta Believe!
   20. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 05:49 PM (#5691602)
DeGrom is fantastic, and Nimmo looks like a keeper. But what other players can be expected to get better in time? I dunno.

Syndergaard pitching a full season, Matz, Wheeler, Conforto, Rosario.
   21. geonose Posted: June 13, 2018 at 05:57 PM (#5691610)
The Mets just willingly used a roster spot on Chris Beck. That should trigger an investigation of whether they are deliberately trying to lose.

They are also willingly using a roster spot on Jose Reyes. No further investigation needed.
   22. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: June 13, 2018 at 06:16 PM (#5691619)
The Mets just willingly used a roster spot on Chris Beck. That should trigger an investigation of whether they are deliberately trying to lose.


Maybe Hahn should have called up Sandy before he cut Beck. Maybe Sandy would have thrown an A-Ball lotto ticket the South Siders' way. Beck stinks and was the first casualty of the White Sox' improved health and overall pitching. It's still a bottom 1/3 staff, and I really have a hard time believing the Mets didn't have any better options that were already on their 40 man.

And ya, taking responsibility here would probably be a firing or resignation.
   23. PreservedFish Posted: June 13, 2018 at 07:49 PM (#5691670)
The funny thing is, if you can get the team at full strength, they shouldn't be bad in 2019.


This team stinks.
   24. Howie Menckel Posted: June 13, 2018 at 07:56 PM (#5691680)
Alonso is the 1B in 2019, and he has raked in AA Binghamton. that one Mets fans can be optimistic about.

I DO remember the Seaver trade, and that was about as bad as it got. Steve Henderson showed some potential and I suppose Pat Zachry did, too. but you didn't need advanced SABRmetrics to know that 2B Doug Flynn was horrible, and that OF kid Norman was a non-entity.

I think a trade of Thor or deGrom might trigger an even large mutiny than the Seaver deal. in 2018, the Mets' status in the largest market with a potential massive salary advantage lets even the most casual fan know that their franchise management and track record is inexcusable.
   25. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: June 13, 2018 at 08:22 PM (#5691699)
This team's future looks worse to me, but mostly because the Phillies and Barves have come along much faster than I'd ever expect. I still think the Mets are a slightly above average team when everyone is healthy.

A real catcher plus a Morton or Richards signing, and I'd be optimistic heading into 2019. I'd much prefer that to blowing it up.
   26. Tin Angel Posted: June 13, 2018 at 08:43 PM (#5691720)
Buster Olney has been floating DeGrom for Gleyber Torres for a couple of weeks now.
   27. Adam Starblind Posted: June 13, 2018 at 09:07 PM (#5691744)

Buster Olney has been floating DeGrom for Gleyber Torres for a couple of weeks now.


This is right up there with Jim Leyritz and Bernie Williams for Barry Bonds.
   28. Walt Davis Posted: June 13, 2018 at 10:33 PM (#5691794)
December will mark the 10th anniversary of Madoff's arrest. The Wilpons should have their finances sorted by now and either start investing in the team or sell it for $2.5 B and get on with life.
   29. Ray (CTL) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 10:55 PM (#5691815)
Buster Olney has been floating DeGrom for Gleyber Torres for a couple of weeks now.


The Yankees would be insane.
   30. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 13, 2018 at 11:30 PM (#5691831)
Buster Olney has been floating DeGrom for Gleyber Torres for a couple of weeks now.

The Yankees aren't trading Gleyber Torres for a pitcher less than a week from turning 30.
   31. Howie Menckel Posted: June 13, 2018 at 11:33 PM (#5691832)
to be fair, if the Cubs don't win the 2016 WS (because of and in spite of a lame duck Chapman who then returned to NYY), how would that trade look now? or how does it look anyway?


Torres is not the prospect of whom anyone says, "well, SURE, 2 years later he's a stud..."
   32. DJS, the Digital Dandy Posted: June 14, 2018 at 12:58 AM (#5691856)
So he's resigning immediately? What's the point of taking responsibility if there are no consequences?

You see this in politics a lot too.

"I take full responsibility."
"So you're resigning from your job?"
"Well, no. I'm going to keep this job."
"Oh, is there some sort of pay cut or other type of punitive measure?"
"No, I'm going to keep just doing what I was before this."
"So how is this taking full responsibility?"
"I mean I said the magic words so that we can stop talking about this incident now."
   33. manchestermets Posted: June 14, 2018 at 04:29 AM (#5691867)
I still think the Mets are a slightly above average team when everyone is healthy.


Surely there are only so many times you can say "when everyone is healthy" about a team before it stops being a question of luck. Is getting the players you have onto the field in a healthy state not a skill that can be measured - it seems like the Mets are repeatedly doing a bad job of this, and although it's obviously the Mets' injury woes I notice most, it does seem like they're consistently doing a worse job of it than anyone else. Is there any reason at all to have confidence that there's going to come a time when everyone is healthy any time in the short to medium term?
   34. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 14, 2018 at 04:47 AM (#5691868)
Buster Olney has been floating DeGrom for Gleyber Torres for a couple of weeks now.


Floating face-down in a vat of cheap scotch no doubt.
   35. Lassus Posted: June 14, 2018 at 08:26 AM (#5691891)
Syndergaard pitching a full season, Matz, Wheeler, Conforto, Rosario.

Somehow, this has made me the saddest of all. The flashes of greatness gone unrealized have been maddening.
   36. formerly dp Posted: June 14, 2018 at 09:59 AM (#5691949)
They should do what they can to flip Cabrera from now--they won't get much for him, but he's done a lot to raise his value since looking just about even with Reyes & Flores to handle 2B coming into 2018. Give Cecchini a trial at 2B. It's really too bad about Lagares, he was actually hitting this year, and would have been a good piece for them to bundle for some C level prospects (yeah those are never exciting but the Met farm is thin right now).
   37. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 14, 2018 at 10:31 AM (#5691983)
Buster Olney has been floating DeGrom for Gleyber Torres for a couple of weeks now.


If the Yankees wanted another SP, they have a bunch of prospects who aren't currently important parts of their starting lineup that they could use to get one. Torres makes zero sense.
   38. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: June 14, 2018 at 11:01 AM (#5692013)
Buster Olney has been floating DeGrom for Gleyber Torres for a couple of weeks now.


The Yankees would be insane.


A Yankee fan buddy of mine is dying to get deGrom. I told him, "I'll drive him to the Bronx right now: you give up Justus Sheffield, Andujar and Clint Frazier." He's all "Don't get greedy! I'll give you Hicks instead of Frazier." I sez, "If I wanted Hicks, I'd have asked for Hicks." He's like, "OK. Enjoy being mediocre."

If deGrom is ever traded, I would hope the Mets make the receiving team pay through the ol' shnozzola to get him.

Then again, I said the same thing about Scott Kazmir, so...
   39. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 14, 2018 at 11:06 AM (#5692020)
If the Yankees wanted another SP, they have a bunch of prospects who aren't currently important parts of their starting lineup that they could use to get one. Torres makes zero sense.

Yes. Happ or Ross should be easily obtainable with B-ish prospects.
   40. I Knew A Guy Who Knew A Guy Who Knew Rey Ordonez Posted: June 14, 2018 at 11:49 AM (#5692084)
Then again, I said the same thing about Scott Kazmir, so...


I wouldn't give Dave Eiland five minutes with anyone. I'd probably give Dan Warthen 10 if he wanted it.
   41. Stormy JE Posted: June 14, 2018 at 12:46 PM (#5692134)
They should do what they can to flip Cabrera from now--they won't get much for him, but he's done a lot to raise his value since looking just about even with Reyes & Flores to handle 2B coming into 2018.
What team's going to trade for a guy who now looks like his limbs are being held together by an assortment of rubber bands and stick of Krazy Glue?
   42. PreservedFish Posted: June 14, 2018 at 12:58 PM (#5692149)
The Mets are garbage and likely to remain garbage for years. I want them to hold onto DeGrom and Syndergaard because I'd rather have a couple guys to root for.
   43. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 14, 2018 at 01:41 PM (#5692181)
The Mets are garbage and likely to remain garbage for years. I want them to hold onto DeGrom and Syndergaard because I'd rather have a couple guys to root for.


Nailed it. If they're going to be bad, I'd rather they be bad with a couple of exciting players.
   44. Hysterical & Useless Posted: June 15, 2018 at 08:18 AM (#5692626)
they are not typically the tear it down type of team.


More of a "watch 'em collapse" type of team.

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