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I just blue myself.

9) GOB smears Steve Holt (STEVE HOLT!) (Season 2, Ep. 14)

Afraid that George Michael is going to get blown out in the election for class president, Michael hires GOB to produce an attack ad targeting Steve Holt. When Steve Holt’s own campaign video winds up being about growing up without a father and embracing Jesus Christ, GOB realizes his video (which begins with calling Steve Holt a bastard who doesn’t even know who his real father is won’t go over well. This goes to Padres president Tom Garfinkel, who made fun of Zack Greinke’s social anxiety disorder by referring to the movie Rain Man, and simultaneously offending the mentally challenged and those with social anxiety disorders. He has, however, since apologized and behaved like a pretty stand up guy by all accounts, while GOB went on to steal his nephew’s girlfriend. Yes, her.

10) Tobias leaves Lindsey to go to Vegas with Kitty. (Season 3, Ep. 1)

In making his “biggest little mistake,” Tobias abandons his wife and daughter to join the Blue Man Group, but winds up working in Reno at Swallows, a family-style restaurant by day and an anything-goes, pan-sexual bazaar by night. This one is for R.A. Dickey, who must have thought he had hit the jackpot in leaving Queens to become the ace of the up and coming Blue Jays. However, Jose Reyes has been hurt, Mark Buehrle has been ineffective, and Josh Johnson ineffective and hurt. That’s to say nothing about the struggles of Brett Lawrie, Emilio Bonifacio, Brandon Morrow, Maicer Izturis, and Ricky Romero. Dickey hasn’t helped things, with a walk rate almost double what it was last year and a 4.85 ERA. It’s been a lot less tuna melt, and a lot more flipping the cushions in the grind room (where they apparently uncovered a 40-year-old Ramon Ortiz and just decided to use him, probably without autoclaving him first) in Toronto this year.

 

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   1. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: May 29, 2013 at 02:03 PM (#4454654)
I didn't recognize Steve Holt in the new season either. Spoiler alert, I guess, although it's not a huge part of the plot.
   2. Canker Soriano Posted: May 29, 2013 at 02:10 PM (#4454662)
Unfortunately, forget-me-nows won't erase the memory of Angel Hernandez's performance this year. Flip another coin, Angel.
   3. Sonic Youk Posted: May 29, 2013 at 02:22 PM (#4454676)
Just finished the new season last night. I'm surprised at the iffy critical consensus. I thought it was just as funny as the original, and he narrative structure was incredibly well executed. There are a whole bunch of lines and things that happen in the early episodes that are nonsensical throwaways that become hilarious later. (Favorite example: the woman George Michael is working for in Spain screaming "nothing matters now! The drones are coming!")
   4. Dale Sams Posted: May 29, 2013 at 02:36 PM (#4454688)
I'm surprised at the iffy critical consensus


I think people are older now, the hype was too high...etc...etc..

Episode 1 I laughed uproariously several times

Episode 2 Wasn't funny as much as it was interesting

Episode 3 Wasn't so great but I laughed a few times.

That's as far as I've got, I'm really looking forward to the Maeby episode as she's my fave.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 29, 2013 at 03:13 PM (#4454768)
I've found it difficult to keep up with the convoluted plot and I didn't like that the episode were character-centric. I would have rather had the gags broken up by interpolated stories, otherwise it seems like they just drag on like a bad SNL sketch SPOILER (for example, when George-Michael tries to kick his dad out of the dorm....would have been hilarious as a quick gag every couple minutes, but as a five minute gag it just bored me).

But I'm only two eps in. I do love all the in-jokes SPOILER "they were waiting for a fourth season that would never come."
   6. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: May 29, 2013 at 03:23 PM (#4454796)
I've already watched it twice through. The second half is like vintage AD, though it takes a few eps to really kick in. It took me awhile to adjust to how radically different Lindsay looked. Portia diRossi has lost weight and clearly had some work done, but she barely looks like the same person, much more than a little plastic surgery and weight loss would usually do.
   7. Baldrick Posted: May 29, 2013 at 03:28 PM (#4454808)
I'm only halfway through, but I'm enjoying it so far. The first few episodes left me feeling a bit worried, but I think the complex plot structure and single-character focus is redeeming them somewhat as stuff that made no sense is now becoming clear.

I definitely don't think it reaches the heights of the original run, but it is definitely enjoyable. And I have to say that I wasn't blown away by the original the first time either. The real test of AD is how well something works on the second and third watch.
   8. Dale Sams Posted: May 29, 2013 at 03:30 PM (#4454811)
when George-Michael tries to kick his dad out of the dorm


That made me laugh and laugh. That it went on like that *was* the joke I thought. And Cera's comical 'Marx-Brother-like' pained expressions had me rolling.

And #6, ditto on Portia. I kept looking and looking...as someone else said, it was like seeing Portia's voice dubbed onto Calist Flockhart.
   9. Baldrick Posted: May 29, 2013 at 03:37 PM (#4454828)
I get that she looks different. But it didn't strike me as that big a change. I'm kind of blown away at how overwhelming the commentary has been on the subject. Does she really look THAT different?

I will say that I (perhaps ironically) have a tough time with facial recognition. So maybe it's just a function of that.
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 29, 2013 at 03:42 PM (#4454836)
but I think the complex plot structure and single-character focus is redeeming them somewhat as stuff that made no sense is now becoming clear.


Yea, I get the sense a LOT of jokes are being set up that will pay off later in the season. Like SPOILER the pose that Michael makes in the magazine didn't make sense as a joke, but in the next episode it begins to make sense why its a joke.

I thought Maeby looked way different. It took me a minute to even recognize her.
   11. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: May 29, 2013 at 03:48 PM (#4454850)
I loved season 4. The way that the plots/jokes/etc eventually fit together is utterly brilliant (not spoiling anything here, I don't think).
   12. Dale Sams Posted: May 29, 2013 at 03:49 PM (#4454855)
I will say that I (perhaps ironically)


Marky Baldrick?
   13. The District Attorney Posted: May 29, 2013 at 03:54 PM (#4454862)
Forget huge mistakes, it was a huge stretch by the author to attempt to connect these various things to baseball. Yeesh.
   14. Canker Soriano Posted: May 29, 2013 at 04:06 PM (#4454880)
I'm only about 7 episodes in, but I take heart in hearing (from many sources) that season 4 comes together well toward the end. I found the first few episodes pretty tough to get through (particularly the first George Sr. episode). The first GOB episode was brilliant.

It was never going to be what the original was, and I do think it's hurt by the character-centric episodes (which I know were necessitated by the difficulty of getting everyone together in the same place at the same time). But it was certainly worth doing, and I'm sure in the end it's going to be better than 95% of what's on TV these days.
   15. Dale Sams Posted: May 29, 2013 at 05:10 PM (#4454956)
Well, I just finished episode 4, I think another problem is I'm still processing the in-jokes before they've moved onto another one.
   16. KT's Pot Arb Posted: May 29, 2013 at 05:31 PM (#4454980)
Forget huge mistakes, it was a huge stretch by the author to attempt to connect these various things to baseball. Yeesh.


He made his article nearly unreadable. I understand that show has a small clique of viewers that enjoy extremely obvious and broad humor., but if I was one I'd be watching the show not trying to read about baseball.
   17. Greg K Posted: May 29, 2013 at 05:56 PM (#4454998)
Well, I just finished episode 4, I think another problem is I'm still processing the in-jokes before they've moved onto another one.

Isn't this the primary characteristic of Arrested Development as a whole? (And part of what makes it awesome?)
   18. Dale Sams Posted: May 29, 2013 at 06:06 PM (#4455007)
Isn't this the primary characteristic of Arrested Development as a whole? (And part of what makes it awesome?)


Yeah, but I used to be able to keep-up. Unless that's the point. Hammering home that (like Michael becoming techno-incompetent) the world starts moving so fast we can't keep up.

I hate to make that kind judgement though. Reminds me too much of film school and lit academia nonsense.
   19. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: May 29, 2013 at 06:33 PM (#4455022)
Does she really look THAT different?


Yes.
   20. Shibal Posted: May 29, 2013 at 06:36 PM (#4455025)
I'm glad to hear it gets better towards the end, because the first six episodes I've watched so far are horrible. There's parts that are good, but the subtlety is gone. For example (not giving spoilers): Lucille smoking with Buster's help. With a network show that last 22 minutes, they'd cut that scene down to maybe 10 seconds. The humor in the incident would have been in the background, sort of like a couple of dogs humping in the background while the woman reporter is on air promoting the city's art fair.

But with 30-35 minute episodes, there's plenty of time to make sure everyone sees the joke. So the 10 second clever comedy act becomes 60 seconds of repetition. Same thing with George Michael kicking his dad out of the dorm. The jokes are too long.

   21. Poster Nutbag Posted: May 29, 2013 at 06:49 PM (#4455035)
To those with concern:

It gets tremendously better and is even more fantastic the second time through. The entire series originally had jokes in the 1st season (and 2nd, 3rd) that didn't make sense unless you had seen the entire series (there are various jokes about Buster's hand, for instance, even in the first season!). The 4th season take that kind of writing to the next level and is absolutely genius. Layers upon layers of comedy.
   22. Poster Nutbag Posted: May 29, 2013 at 06:51 PM (#4455037)
I thought Maeby looked way different. It took me a minute to even recognize her.


Agree. I don't get all the fuss about Lindsay. Does she look different? A bit, but it seems over-exaggerated at this point. Maeby looks like her appearance has changed the most, to me.
   23. Sonic Youk Posted: May 29, 2013 at 07:18 PM (#4455062)
I'm glad to hear it gets better towards the end, because the first six episodes I've watched so far are horrible.


well, episode 7 is amazing. but if you made it this far, and actually think they're "horrible," you're definitely not going to like the rest either.
   24. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: May 29, 2013 at 09:37 PM (#4455236)
I will freely admit that my reaction to Lindsay's different appearance is probably gendered. I respond to the physical characteristics of attractive women, as most straight/bi men do, and I REALLY noticed Lindsay. It's also true that Michael Cera has gone from cute to kinda child-molestery, and David Cross has some chins he didn't used to have. I do think that Portia DiRossi's physical changes are more radical -- though they do fit with the character.

ALL OF THAT SAID. It becomes less noticeable when she loses the wig and goes to the cute, short do she has in real life. I think that one of the major differences is actually a makeup choice -- her eyebrows are bleached in season 4, and they never were before.
   25. Paul D(uda) Posted: May 29, 2013 at 10:23 PM (#4455291)
I've only watched 7 episodes, and am impressed that it's still brilliant. Shibal and I must be watching different shows, because I think this is paying off huge, and that it's very very honest to the original.
   26. Shibal Posted: May 29, 2013 at 11:22 PM (#4455355)
Obviously some on here have no taste.

Since there's a slice possibility that it could me be, I'll start anew from episode 1 and see what I'm missing.
   27. PerroX Posted: May 29, 2013 at 11:27 PM (#4455359)
Wasn't impressed the first two episodes, but it's a huge mistake to invest now. Ep 7 hits the spot.
   28. PerroX Posted: May 29, 2013 at 11:30 PM (#4455360)
Portia de Rossi nearly died of anorexia, and, like nearly every woman in Hollywood has had work done. Her first ep pokes fun at these facts throughout.
   29. McCoy Posted: May 29, 2013 at 11:43 PM (#4455366)
It's been 7 years and she's 40 years old. She basically looks her age at this point*


*Well, by Hollywood standards that is.
   30. bigglou115 Posted: May 29, 2013 at 11:48 PM (#4455369)
Never got arrested development personally. I know smart, funny people who do, so I kind of let it go. What I don't get is all the angst the shows cancellation brought on. This wasn't Firefly, where a show's significant fanbase was abused by a network that just never bought into the show. AD had its run, and viewership fell to the point that making new episodes didn't make sense. I'm glad for its fans that there are new episodes, but if Community had been cancelled I hardly think I would have been in an uproar over it.

All this to say, I miss firefly.
   31. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 29, 2013 at 11:48 PM (#4455370)
Haven't dipped into Season 4, since unintentionally started re-watching the entire series thanks to IFC running weekend marathons the last few weeks. I've seen more than a couple of references to a lot more low-brow/crass jokes in S4 compared to the rest of the series. True? It's Always Sunny is one of my favorite shows and Louis CK is one of my favorite comedians, so I'd like to think I'm not too easily offended, but some of these comments has me worried that the writers went down a path they mostly avoided throughout the original run.
   32. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 29, 2013 at 11:54 PM (#4455372)
AD had its run, and viewership fell to the point that making new episodes didn't make sense. I'm glad for its fans that there are new episodes, but if Community had been cancelled I hardly think I would have been in an uproar over it.


Part of that is because Fox jerked around viewers by erratic airings of new episodes. AD is definitely a prime example of a series being elevated to a higher level through the medium of DVD, but Fox didn't do the show any favors.

And personally, I'd be fine with Community getting the ax. I enjoyed the first couple of seasons, but lost interest as the series devolved into a string of gimmick episodes. It's a "smart" show, but not in the same way AD was/is. I can't comment on the new season, but the original run layered its jokes in a way I can't say I've seen in another show. As someone mentioned, there's allusions to things that will happen a season later (e.g. in season 1, someone makes a remark about "giving a hand" and there's a weird pan over to Buster, which is seemingly random until midway through S2). It's a show that really calls for repeated viewings because there's just so much to take in and pick up that it's almost impossible to process it all on one viewing.
   33. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: May 30, 2013 at 01:50 AM (#4455424)
I didn't recognize Steve Holt in the new season either. Spoiler alert, I guess, although it's not a huge part of the plot.
Steve Holt is wearing makeup to make him look 10 years older. It's a joke.
   34. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: May 30, 2013 at 01:53 AM (#4455427)
Since there's a slice possibility that it could me be, I'll start anew from episode 1 and see what I'm missing.
No, go all the way through to the end and then start over with 1. There are jokes in the first episode that are punchlines of jokes set up later in the season. Also, the first episode answers some questions from the end of the season.

Also, I love the running gag of John Beard quitting.
   35. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: May 30, 2013 at 01:54 AM (#4455428)
This wasn't Firefly, where a show's significant fanbase was abused by a network that just never bought into the show. AD had its run, and viewership fell to the point that making new episodes didn't make sense.
The problem that AD had was that FOX didn't know how to promote it, didn't know where to put it, and the nature of the show (lots of cameos) made it a very expensive show to produce.
   36. Poster Nutbag Posted: May 30, 2013 at 04:43 AM (#4455447)
#32 - We have similar tastes. Community was awesome while Dan Harmon was still in charge. It died quickly thereafter.
   37. Flynn Posted: May 30, 2013 at 05:11 AM (#4455448)
I've loved the first 8 episodes, and if the critical reception's tepid, it's because everybody forgot how deeply layered the first three seasons were. AD's always been crazy, crazy flow-chart comedy. But we've watched the first three seasons on DVD so much that we know that flow chart.

Also, my wife also thought Portia de Rossi and Maeby looked terrible. I don't need to discuss Portia de Rossi, but Maeby's rocking a horrible hairstyle. It's funny now when they make Ann jokes. They have to dress her like an idiot, otherwise any rational male would choose her over Maeby.

Time also hasn't been kind to David Cross and Michael Cera. But the three Bluth sons all look pretty much the same.

Speaking of Steve Holt, did anybody notice the Literal Doctor also put on some weight too?
   38. Lassus Posted: May 30, 2013 at 08:07 AM (#4455476)
This happens to everyone with various finite entertainment franchises, but to invoke Ray, I have never seen a single episode.
   39. McCoy Posted: May 30, 2013 at 08:19 AM (#4455482)
I think Community was dying while Dan Harmon was still in charge.

As for AD I'm up to episode 11 and while I like it I do think they dumbed it down for first time viewers. For instance there was a joke about Sally Sitwell's lack of hair in the last episode I watched and instead of just having a single one liner about it they really focused on it, had several lines go over it in detail and then had the narrator explain the joke. I feel the old AD would have just had the one line about it and left it up to you to figure it out. This beating you over the head so you get the joke thing seems to be a common problem for this 4th season. I think the problem is that the old shows were 22 minutes long and these shows are all around 30 minutes long.

The Happy Days references and jokes seem to be really forced and over the top when the do them as well.
   40. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 30, 2013 at 08:56 AM (#4455504)

Since there's a slice possibility that it could me be, I'll start anew from episode 1 and see what I'm missing.


So for you its ANUSTART?

No, go all the way through to the end and then start over with 1. There are jokes in the first episode that are punchlines of jokes set up later in the season.


I wonder if the difference is I just missed those jokes in S1, but the show was so packed with other jokes it didn't matter, while now it seems like they are losing their subtlety, so you know its a joke, but you don't quite get it because its being set up for something later?

Or what McCoy says in #39. Part of what I loved about the show before was the subtlety and the stuff I would have to rewatch. That subtlety seems gone although its possible I'm just missing it.
   41. villageidiom Posted: May 30, 2013 at 09:35 AM (#4455543)
It's Always Sunny is one of my favorite shows and Louis CK is one of my favorite comedians, so I'd like to think I'm not too easily offended, but some of these comments has me worried that the writers went down a path they mostly avoided throughout the original run.
I haven't seen any of the new episodes yet - I'm midway through season 3 in rewatching the original run - so I can't say for sure. But you might be picking up on the differences in censorship among FOX and FX and Netflix. It's likely the writers didn't have as wide a berth with FOX as they do with Netflix.
   42. Dale Sams Posted: May 30, 2013 at 11:02 AM (#4455663)
otherwise any rational male would choose her over Maeby.


Then call me irrational.
   43. base ball chick Posted: May 30, 2013 at 11:24 AM (#4455697)
i have seen a few of the AD episodes when they were on fox and didn't think any of it was even a little bit funny. i can't get interested at all in something in which you have to watch every miunute of every episode severeal times to get "jokes" - it's like a 20 hour movie
   44. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 30, 2013 at 11:26 AM (#4455703)
It's funny now when they make Ann jokes. They have to dress her like an idiot, otherwise any rational male would choose her over Maeby.


Her??????

I don't really get the Portia "controversy." There are pics of her just a few weeks ago where she looks pretty much the same as she always has - maybe she's had some surgery touch ups, but she looks basically the same. Its pretty obvious on AD she's been made up to look like she's had major plastic surgery.

January Jones isn't really fat either!
   45. McCoy Posted: May 30, 2013 at 11:42 AM (#4455732)
Ann was never really ugly just plain and boring or at least that was the joke.
   46. Baldrick Posted: May 30, 2013 at 11:18 PM (#4456499)
Just finished.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with it. I think it'll be better on the re-watch but even the first time through, a lot of jokes landed and the plot complexities managed to work themselves out reasonably well.
   47. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: May 30, 2013 at 11:30 PM (#4456523)
otherwise any rational male would choose her over Maeby.

Then call me irrational.

Me, three.
   48. clowns to the left of me; STEAGLES to the right Posted: May 31, 2013 at 09:10 AM (#4456660)
i think the issue with portia de rossi is in the lower half of her face. it just looks like its fallen off.

also, i agree about alot of the jokes being run into the ground, but i also agree with bbc about the layers and layers of subtle jokes being a turn off to a large percentage of the general audience. from what i've seen so far, the 4th season tries to split that difference, but i don't think it's done so very successfully.


also, i think the 4th season is relying way too much on ron howard's narration.
   49. Der-K thinks the Essex Green were a good band. Posted: June 01, 2013 at 04:55 PM (#4457866)
Dan Harmon is again the showrunner for Community
   50. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: June 01, 2013 at 06:04 PM (#4457910)
I really thought that #47 was going to be a real humdinger of a "Call me Maeby" joke, but no dice.
   51. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: June 01, 2013 at 09:00 PM (#4458002)
All this to say, I miss firefly.

I'll drink to that.
   52. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 01, 2013 at 11:42 PM (#4458139)
I think a lot of the people who have complained about the new season are the people who binge-watched it right when it was released. My girlfriend and I are 'slowly' making our way through it and enjoying it. I'm already looking forward to the rewatch.
   53. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: June 02, 2013 at 12:25 AM (#4458150)
The new AD season is a slow build, but its great.

Count me among those who find Maeby more interesting than Lindsay, especially as she's aged a bit (Maeby, not Lindsay)
   54. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: June 02, 2013 at 02:20 AM (#4458171)
also, i think the 4th season is relying way too much on ron howard's narration.

I'm on episode 10. This is my biggest criticism.

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