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Thursday, October 25, 2012

SB Nation: The curious case of the mystery Marlins fan at the World Series

Half of Miami’s fan base is in SF!

(Laurence) Leavy got the tickets through StubHub, but then also adds that the Marlins helped him out. He owns a law firm that specializes in worker’s compensation cases, and is a Miami resident. He has seats right behind home plate at the new Marlins ballpark, and said he’s had season tickets since the organization’s inception.

“I’m one of the very, very few left,” he says. “There were only 1,000 season ticket holders in the first year.”

Mike Emeigh Posted: October 25, 2012 at 09:44 AM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: October 25, 2012 at 09:51 AM (#4282840)
“I’m one of the very, very few left,” he says. “There were only 1,000 season ticket holders in the first year.”

Can this be true? I mean, freakin' MLB comes to town, and only a thousand people buy season tickets? (Yes, yes, it's Miami, but still.)
   2. Flynn Posted: October 25, 2012 at 10:23 AM (#4282876)
I suspect he means there's only a thousand season ticket holders left from the first year. The Marlins drew 3 million in 1993, they can't have done that on a thousand STHs.
   3. flournoy Posted: October 25, 2012 at 10:36 AM (#4282889)
Besides businesses that divvy the tickets out, who the heck buys season tickets anyway? That's really expensive, and what do you do with tickets to 81 games? That's crazy.
   4. thetailor Posted: October 25, 2012 at 10:38 AM (#4282892)
I hate this guy. Too much money, so he rides around trolling local fans from the best seats possible. Wears orange to Heat games. What a jerk.
   5. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 25, 2012 at 10:52 AM (#4282906)
Besides businesses that divvy the tickets out, who the heck buys season tickets anyway? That's really expensive, and what do you do with tickets to 81 games? That's crazy.


My father and I split them for the Red Sox. We go 40 and 40 then we both typically sell about 15-20 games to friends and keep 20-25 for ourselves. We usually get to 4-5 games together a year. If I plan it out it comes to about a game a week which works pretty well for me.
   6. cmd600 Posted: October 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM (#4282945)
My father and I split them for the Red Sox. We go 40 and 40 then we both typically sell about 15-20 games to friends and keep 20-25 for ourselves. We usually get to 4-5 games together a year. If I plan it out it comes to about a game a week which works pretty well for me.


I was in a bit larger group, but the exact same idea. Split up the tickets, and sell whatever you can't get to. With secondary marketplaces like StubHub, or the ability to electronically transfer tickets to a buddy if I can't get to a game that night, I think season tickets holders should be even higher now. There's no reason a ticket should ever go to waste.
   7. bads85 Posted: October 25, 2012 at 11:42 AM (#4282951)
With secondary marketplaces like StubHub, or the ability to electronically transfer tickets to a buddy if I can't get to a game that night, I think season tickets holders should be even higher now.


It is so very easy to buy good seats cheap now that you don't have to pony up the cash for 81 games to get great seats. It is also harder to sell most of your tickets at anything close to face value in most markets.
   8. cmd600 Posted: October 25, 2012 at 12:10 PM (#4282975)
7 - I agree, if you're the type of person to go to ~10 or less games. But the current system is very favorable to the guy who wants to go out to the park 20-25 times a year. And before secondary marketplaces like Stubhub, it was hard to sell your ticket period.
   9. Nasty Nate Posted: October 25, 2012 at 01:02 PM (#4283024)
It is so very easy to buy good seats cheap now that you don't have to pony up the cash for 81 games to get great seats. It is also harder to sell most of your tickets at anything close to face value in most markets.


This will self-correct if season-ticket holders make that realization and don't renew and if people stop buying indiv game tickets before the season starts, because at that point there will be fewer tickets on the re-sale market and therefore fewer bargains. It wasn't long ago that tickets on stubhub were almost always above face value (in Boston at least).
   10. McCoy Posted: October 25, 2012 at 01:25 PM (#4283059)
If the secondary market is selling below face value, and it is for most teams and games, then buying season tickets to go to 20 to 25 games a year is a serious overspend.

Buy a season ticket that costs $30 a game and you sell 60 games for $20 after fees that means the 21 games you do go to comes out to a cost of about $60 a ticket. You're better off buying those 21 games directly from the box office at a slightly higer price than season ticket prices or going to stub hub and buying them at a reduced price.

The only value to a season ticket at this point is the value of a specific seat so if you aren't extremely particular about your seat there is no value in having a season ticket.
   11. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 25, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4283073)
If the secondary market is selling below face value, and it is for most teams and games, then buying season tickets to go to 20 to 25 games a year is a serious overspend.


So far it hasn't been. Next year will be an interesting test but so far I've generally sold all the tickets I've had available at face value. I usually have to eat about one game a year for one reason or another and this year I had to sell a couple of games at below face. My guess is that I am going to have a bit more trouble selling tickets out of the gate but if the Sox have a decent season I'll still do alright.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 25, 2012 at 02:02 PM (#4283109)
The only value to a season ticket at this point is the value of a specific seat so if you aren't extremely particular about your seat there is no value in having a season ticket.

The ability to be guaranteed playoff tickets at face value has a lot of value in some markets.
   13. McCoy Posted: October 25, 2012 at 02:26 PM (#4283122)
The ability to be guaranteed playoff tickets at face value has a lot of value in some markets.

But you're not paying face value. The only way you're paying face value is if the market for regular season tickets is higher or equal to the cost of the tickets.
As I showed earlier if you are planning on only going to 20 or so games a year you're paying twice the face value of those tickets to go to those games and paying close to 3 times the value of those tickets in the secondary market. It'd be cheaper to buy your tickets to the 20 games you want to attend either via the secondary market or the box office and then get in line for playoff tickets or buy them on the secondary market than to spend all that money purchasing 81 home games.
   14. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: October 25, 2012 at 02:35 PM (#4283133)
This guy's view on the Marlins' managerial search is pretty amazing:

I want somebody experienced, not a rookie. I'd be very happy if they hired somebody like the Red Sox manager ... Valentine? Bobby Valentine.
   15. Nasty Nate Posted: October 25, 2012 at 02:37 PM (#4283139)
But you're not paying face value. The only way you're paying face value is if the market for regular season tickets is higher or equal to the cost of the tickets.


Face Value for playoffs is the price you pay the team for them. Sometimes the ability to buy them at this price is valuable (i.e. Giants world series tickets) and sometimes it is worthless (i.e. Yankees ALDS tickets).
   16. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 25, 2012 at 04:47 PM (#4283317)

Can this be true? I mean, freakin' MLB comes to town, and only a thousand people buy season tickets? (Yes, yes, it's Miami, but still.)

I suspect he means there's only a thousand season ticket holders left from the first year. The Marlins drew 3 million in 1993, they can't have done that on a thousand STHs.

He might have meant that there were only 1,000 season ticket holders this year, which was the first year in the new stadium.

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