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Monday, January 08, 2018

SBNation : After 5-year odyssey, Daniel Bard calls it a career.

Instead, Bard’s tenure with the Red Sox ended two months before the team would win a World Series in 2013, beginning a four-year journey set mostly on the back fields of extended spring training. After being initially claimed by the Cubs in 2013, Bard would be released and signed by a new club on five different occasions, spending time with the Rangers, Cubs (again), Pirates, and Cardinals before landing with the Mets.

Bard would appear in just 13 innings over that four-year span, allowing 35 earned runs while walking 46 and hitting 16 batters. Yet he continued to motor on, trying anything and everything to get back to the big leagues.

Random Transaction Generator Posted: January 08, 2018 at 08:47 AM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: January 08, 2018 at 11:07 AM (#5602634)
I went to what wound up being his last game in the Sox organization at Short Season Lowell. It was a mess. He threw the worst wild pitch I've ever seen bouncing one in the dirt wide of the lefty batter's box to a righty hitter. He had four walks and a wild pitch in the inning but didn't allow a run thanks to a pick off;

Walk
Walk
Wild Pitch
Strike Out
Pick off at third base
Walk
Walk
Strike Out

Every story about him from the day he was drafted until now has talked about what a good guy he was. He seems like someone who was genuinely well liked both by teammates and the press. Sad it fell apart for him because he had a hell of a run before that.
   2. SoSH U at work Posted: January 08, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5602638)
It's hard to imagine keeping at it as long as he did. Best of luck to him.
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 08, 2018 at 11:20 AM (#5602646)
He had four walks and a wild pitch in the inning but didn't allow a run thanks to a pick off;

So he's sort of like the anti-Jon Lester?
   4. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: January 08, 2018 at 11:37 AM (#5602660)
I was a big fan of Bard from back in his college days, when he was the #2 on UNC's staff with Andrew Miller. (And Robert Woodard, the school's all-time leader in wins, who's now the school's pitching coach.) I had a dream that Bard would get it together again and he and Miller would make a lights out R/L short reliever combination somewhere. Oh well.

Bard's 2014 minor league line is eye-popping: 0.2 IP, 0 hits, 13 runs, 9 BB, 7 HBP.
   5. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 08, 2018 at 12:22 PM (#5602689)
On one hand, it's unfortunate and sad that he was never able to put it back together and throw strikes. On the other hand, I can't even begin to imagine what he's been through mentally and emotionally over the past few years. All that stuff is over now - he doesn't have to worry about where the next pitch is going to go.

So I'll just wish him well and hope he's able to find something enjoyable and rewarding to fill his days.
   6. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 08, 2018 at 12:38 PM (#5602702)
Seems like you can count on one hand (perhaps even on one finger) the number of pitchers who've come back from Blass Disease. Mark Wohlers and...has anybody else made it back? Is it just Wohlers?
   7. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: January 08, 2018 at 02:11 PM (#5602790)
After his appearance on September 5th, 2011, where he allowed no baserunners in 1.2 innings of relief, his ERA was 2.10 for the season, on the heels of a sub-2 ERA in 2010. He was hot stuff.

On 9/7/11, he gave up five runs on one hit in one inning pitched:

- He got out of a jam in the 7th, coming in with runners on base and getting the final out of the inning on a grounder to first.
- He stayed in for 8th inning, and went:

HBP
single to right
Walk (bases were now loaded)
K
K
Walk (run scores)
Walk (run scores)

He is taken out, and Matt Albee gives up a three-run double, all runs charged to Bard.

His ERA after September 5th that season was above 12, and he was never the same. I wonder how it can come and go, seemingly in a moment.

   8. John DiFool2 Posted: January 08, 2018 at 03:23 PM (#5602868)
My memory was that the attempt to convert him to a starter was to blame (if correlation = causation). Guess not. Damned shame in any event.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: January 08, 2018 at 04:15 PM (#5602928)
Technically Ankiel came back from Steve Blass disease -- as a hitter. But he also had 5 games, 10 innings in 2004, striking out 9 and walking just 1 and 1 WP, but got knocked around pretty good.

I'm not sure where we draw the line between terrible control and Blass disease but Rich Hill used to walk a ton of batters, making it to the majors on that curve then dropping all the way to Indy ball. Then he stopped walking people. But he (and another Cubbie Carlos Marmol) always K'd lots of guys, never reached any point of walking 6 guys in an inning or anything like that ... well, Marmol probably would have given it a shot if he'd ever been left in to walk 6 guys.
   10. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 08, 2018 at 04:23 PM (#5602935)
well, Marmol probably would have given it a shot if he'd ever been left in to walk 6 guys.

Yeah, but Marmol was just wild in the general vicinity of the plate, not throwing a pitch into the dugout or halfway up the screen.
   11. Zonk just has affection for alumni Posted: January 08, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5602961)
Ricky Romero is still trying - without much success - I think.

   12. dlf Posted: January 08, 2018 at 04:54 PM (#5602962)
Should we count Roy Halladay's mid-career return to A ball?
   13. Zonk just has affection for alumni Posted: January 08, 2018 at 04:59 PM (#5602967)
Do we count the yips as the fielder equivalent?

Steve Sax came back from the yips... Knoblauch, too - though - had to move.

Saltamacchia.
   14. Nasty Nate Posted: January 08, 2018 at 05:03 PM (#5602970)
His ERA after September 5th that season was above 12
Not much worse than the rest of that bunch...
   15. stig-tossled, hornswoggled gef the typing mongoose Posted: January 08, 2018 at 05:03 PM (#5602971)
My memory was that the attempt to convert him to a starter was to blame (if correlation = causation).


Same here.
   16. RJ in TO Posted: January 08, 2018 at 05:38 PM (#5603008)
Should we count Roy Halladay's mid-career return to A ball?
Probably not. He was 23 that year, and his problem wasn't so much a loss of control as just having really, really hittable stuff. His K/BB ratio was the same as the year before, and his individual K and BB rates also weren't that different - each were up about 1 BB or K per 9 IP from the previous year. His hit rate just went completely bonkers - 14.2 hits per 9 IP.
   17. Endless Trash Posted: January 08, 2018 at 05:44 PM (#5603013)
Scott kazmir, maybe? Though he had other issues.
   18. Walt Davis Posted: January 08, 2018 at 07:40 PM (#5603060)
Yeah, but Marmol was just wild in the general vicinity of the plate, not throwing a pitch into the dugout or halfway up the screen.

Which was the entire point of the 2nd paragraph of my post from which you took the quote.
   19. Curtschillingsdingleberrybatboy Posted: January 08, 2018 at 07:56 PM (#5603066)
Probably not. He was 23 that year, and his problem wasn't so much a loss of control as just having really, really hittable stuff. His K/BB ratio was the same as the year before, and his individual K and BB rates also weren't that different - each were up about 1 BB or K per 9 IP from the previous year. His hit rate just went completely bonkers - 14.2 hits per 9 IP.


This was before BABIP was a thing. Would a pitcher in a situation like Hallday’s, with those numbers, be sent down these days in this day and age?
   20. RJ in TO Posted: January 08, 2018 at 08:09 PM (#5603075)
This was before BABIP was a thing. Would a pitcher in a situation like Hallday’s, with those numbers, be sent down these days in this day and age?
Given his 1.05 K/BB ratio, 5.6 BB/9 IP, and 1.9 HR/9 IP, probably. He was fooling absolutely no one.
   21. ptodd Posted: January 08, 2018 at 11:32 PM (#5603135)
The article kind of skirted around it but his problems in september 2011 thet led to an attempt to convert him to starter in 2012 and then completely lose it was undiagnosed TOS. By the time it was diagnosed in 2014 by another organization it was likely quite advanced. Therefore surgery was not effective. TOS really needs to be caught quick. Not assigning blame as it sounds like his case was atypical.

Hopefully can put the failed attempt at starter theory to rest.
   22. SandyRiver Posted: January 09, 2018 at 08:50 AM (#5603206)
My memory was that the attempt to convert him to a starter was to blame (if correlation = causation). Guess not.


That's my memory as well. When going good, Bard would hit 99 on the gun, and even though his fastball didn't move all that much, it was quick enough to miss bats, and he could locate it well. In Sept. 2011, IIRC, he was throwing 95-96 and losing command; I put it down to tired arm. Valentine's attempt to have him start - sometimes with good results for about 4 inning then disaster - perhaps was the absolute wrong thing to do, though neither Bard nor Valentine knew it at the time.
   23. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: January 09, 2018 at 09:07 AM (#5603215)
Not disputing the interesting stuff in #21 but I think Bard was probably harmed by the shitshow of Bobby Valentine more than others. He was known as a quiet, very introspective kid. In a year when #### went spectacularly wrong and filled with all manner of drama I think he was a guy likely to be affected more than most. Toss in the move to starter, the TOS and some general Blassism and you get this.

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