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Scandal surrounding the Atlanta Braves is creating more questions | The Telegraph

The allegations include tampering charges, inappropriate conduct with international prospects and the bundling of international signing bonuses. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reported this past week the Braves’ breach of rules violations are “unprecedented in scope.”

Sources have told The Telegraph that Major League Baseball continues to be surprised at how many potential violations are being discovered. Numerous calls, from agents, scouts and other teams, have been made to the Major League Baseball office with additional allegations since the news broke of the investigation.

Word is that Coppolella was offered a financial buyout of severance from the Braves and turned it down this past week and that he has hired an attorney with lawsuits possibly coming. I asked several scouts if they had ever heard of a fired executive being offered a severance, especially after being let go for these type allegations. All were amazed that Coppolella would be offered a financial package after being forced to resign.

Jim Furtado Posted: October 16, 2017 at 10:38 AM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. eddieot Posted: October 16, 2017 at 11:07 AM (#5554871)
Hmmmmmm....

Eyebrows were raised when it was learned that Hart and Braves CEO and chairman Terry McGuirk played golf with Major League Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred when the Braves were in New York for the final week of the regular season, only days before Coppolella resigned.
   2. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: October 16, 2017 at 11:27 AM (#5554885)
"Eyebrows were raised" is the categorical worst of journo's tendency to use passive voice crap to cover their lack of named sources.
   3. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 16, 2017 at 11:28 AM (#5554888)
Word is that Coppolella was offered a financial buyout of severance from the Braves and turned it down this past week and that he has hired an attorney with lawsuits possibly coming.


Sounds like hush money, doesn't it? Take the blame and cash this check on your way out the door?
   4. DFA Posted: October 16, 2017 at 11:59 AM (#5554922)
I wonder if the check wasn't enough?
   5. Batman Posted: October 16, 2017 at 12:15 PM (#5554940)
Eyebrows were raised, tears were wept, teeth were gnashed, and heads were rolled.
   6. Satan Says Posted: October 16, 2017 at 12:34 PM (#5554962)
Contraction works for me. Or move 'em to Montreal with the condition Scherholz and Hart are put out to pasture.

No way Coppolella acted alone.
   7. bfan Posted: October 16, 2017 at 12:39 PM (#5554967)
I cannot see how Hart and McGuirk survive this mess. Either they knew what was happening and let the bad activity go on, or they are so unplugged and unconnected from the current baseball world that they did not even hear the whispers from the market (this was other GM's, agents and players), that bad crap was going on, on many occasions and at many levels, in which case their management of their subordinate (who was new and would normally be watched over with a fair degree of scrutiny) was grossly incompetent. It seems pretty simple; either they suck in their roles as managers (maybe lends credence to a bunch of guys playing 18 holes at Peachtree 4 days week, and swapping stories about how good they all were, 20 years ago, on the days that they went into the office) or they are lying about their lack of knowledge.

I do not begrudge any of these guys their happy and prosperous retirement; they were very successful in baseball and they deserve to spend their declining years in comfort and happiness. I do begrudge them carving out a role and position they do not merit, by their commitment and work ethic, and then having them fight like cats to keep their privileged position when everything goes to crap.
   8. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: October 16, 2017 at 12:47 PM (#5554974)
I do begrudge them carving out a role and position they do not merit, by their commitment and work ethic, and then having them fight like cats to keep their privileged position when everything goes to crap.


Again, have you met Jeff Wilpon...?
   9. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 16, 2017 at 01:06 PM (#5554995)
The allegations include tampering charges, inappropriate conduct with international prospects and the bundling of international signing bonuses. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reported this past week the Braves’ breach of rules violations are “unprecedented in scope.”

Unprecedented violations would seem to call for unprecedented punishments. You'd think folks would have wised-up after the Red Sox were caught, but this suggests those punishments were insufficient for that purpose.
   10. bfan Posted: October 16, 2017 at 01:12 PM (#5555000)

Unprecedented violations would seem to call for unprecedented punishments. You'd think folks would have wised-up after the Red Sox were caught, but this suggests those punishments were insufficient for that purpose.


did people lose their jobs in the Red Sox violations?
   11. Boxkutter Posted: October 16, 2017 at 01:29 PM (#5555032)
Sounds like hush money, doesn't it? Take the blame and cash this check on your way out the door?


That's how I interpreted it as well.
   12. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: October 16, 2017 at 03:28 PM (#5555153)
I've still yet to see any actual reporting of behavior "unprecedented in scope." It may be there. It may come out. But I've yet to see anything actually reported. Mostly I'm seeing a lot of reporting that Coppy and his team were doing the same "wild, wild west" schtick that every team does in Latin America, but doing it turned up to 11, and being completely ######## to everyone else in the process, thus making more enemies that would like to stick it to them after the fact. Maybe something truly new and "unprecedented" comes out when MLB releases the negative press after the WS, but so far?

I also fully expect the punishments to be in line with loss of future picks and fines, more than free agent status for international "draftees," because the last thing MLB wants to do is to undermine the plantation system down there.
   13. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 16, 2017 at 03:35 PM (#5555163)
I also fully expect the punishments to be in line with loss of future picks and fines, more than free agent status for international "draftees," because the last thing MLB wants to do is to undermine the plantation system down there.

The Red Sox draftees who received payments over the $300K cap were made free agents, and kept the money, too. Would be difficult to not do that for any Braves draftees who received similar improper payments.
   14. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: October 16, 2017 at 03:43 PM (#5555169)
Were those draftees over-cap payments in the year that the Red Sox could do that "legally?" Maitan, etc, were "legal" overpays.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: October 16, 2017 at 05:30 PM (#5555250)
I assume they will keep Acuna since he was signed several years back. Unless there was a violation specifically with regard to Maitan, they probably get to keep him as well but that's just a guess. Under the Red Sox precedent, they will likely lose every player they committed a violation on. They will presumably get hammered on future international signees. That said, MLB won't want to derail the Braves' rebuilding as they will just lose and lose and lose for the next 6+ years and MLB has too many moribund, bottom-scraping franchises as it is.

On money to Copp -- was his contract guaranteed? The buyout may have just been a standard attempt to avoid a lawsuit over whether the Braves had to honor that contract. There's no particularly good reason for Copp to turn it down unless he thinks he can get more.
   16. JJ1986 Posted: October 16, 2017 at 06:24 PM (#5555273)
What was John Hart's role in the Atlanta front office? Was he actually the top baseball guy? Was he a veteran guy for Coppolella to bounce ideas of? Or was he just a respectable face because the rest of the front office guys were ########?
   17. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 16, 2017 at 06:25 PM (#5555275)
Eyebrows were raised, tears were wept, teeth were gnashed, and heads were rolled.

detectives believe alcohol was involved
   18. puck Posted: October 16, 2017 at 10:06 PM (#5555477)
I was wondering why the Telegraph was covering this. Ah, the Macon Telegraph.
   19. Walt Davis Posted: October 17, 2017 at 01:30 AM (#5555536)
What was John Hart's role in the Atlanta front office?

President of Good Ol' Boy Shenanigans and roving golf instructor. OK, not roving much it seems.

His official title is President of Baseball Ops. In some organizations that now translates as "the real GM" and in others at least seems to be the guy who handles the baseball admin bits to keep things running but in Atl it seems to have been nearly honorary ... so I'm guessing "friend of Schuerholz's in charge of heading off people before they get to Schuerholz ... and somebody to bounce ideas off of."

In terms of moves made, Copp seems to have done a solid job. But clearly people didn't like him and he broke rules, apparently at a level "unprecedented in scope!" I can almost believe that JS didn't really know what was going on, things would have looked fine from a high enough perspective. Hart seems to have no excuse.

Is that one of the unintended consequences of tanking? They've got a plan which mainly only requires big decision-making from Nov through Dec and at the trade deadline since the plan is to put a losing, minimal team out there this year. Seems a secure exec might decide this was a good time to work on the golf game then really start paying attention when the team's ready to win again.
   20. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: October 17, 2017 at 09:26 AM (#5555599)
Hart was supposed to be the guiding hand and experienced leader to teach Copp how to do "the rest of the job" outside of analytics and prospect eval. He...seems to have failed in that role.

The more we learn about Copp's personality, attitude, and problems schmoozing with pretty much every other humanoid life form on the planet it becomes pretty clear that while he might have been the right guy to lead them through the desert, he wasn't the right guy to march them into Canaan.
   21. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: October 17, 2017 at 09:28 AM (#5555603)
Is that one of the unintended consequences of tanking? They've got a plan which mainly only requires big decision-making from Nov through Dec and at the trade deadline since the plan is to put a losing, minimal team out there this year. Seems a secure exec might decide this was a good time to work on the golf game then really start paying attention when the team's ready to win again.


My read, from afar, with no more input than anyone else, is that Hart and JS overestimated Copp's ability to develop people skills along the way. So far, this entire debacle comes down to that failure.
   22. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 17, 2017 at 09:46 AM (#5555613)
My read, from afar, with no more input than anyone else, is that Hart and JS overestimated Copp's ability to develop people skills along the way. So far, this entire debacle comes down to that failure.

Well, people skills and any shred of ethics. This is corruption, not just being an ass.
   23. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: October 17, 2017 at 11:49 AM (#5555761)
Well, people skills and any shred of ethics. This is corruption, not just being an ass.


Meh. Again, I have yet to see any hard reportage of wrong-doing that is of a different kind or scope than the wrong-doing EVERYBODY does down there. It may come out after the WS, but as of yet, all I've seen is some breathless quotes about "unprecedented in scope" while talking about the same sort of thing Boston, and pretty much everyone else does in Latin America.

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