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Wednesday, September 21, 2011

Schilling: ‘Don’t know that it’s there’

Owner of Big Huge Games speaks.

Schilling said the pressure is on Josh Beckett, Wednesday night’s starter, to go deep into the game—or else.

“Josh Beckett has to will himself to be in the game into the eighth or ninth inning, no matter what the score is. If they score one, he can give up none. It takes a pitcher getting that mentality and going out and executing on that to get this thing ended.”

That kind of performance is what the Red Sox have sorely needed over the last few weeks, Schilling said.

“Your ace, your postseason horse gets to the ninth inning of a dominant start—and they haven’t had that in a month.”

Repoz Posted: September 21, 2011 at 10:31 AM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:19 PM (#3931729)
Lost in last night's late-inning loss to Baltimore is that Bedard couldn't provide 5 good innings. He looked very good and efficient for 2+ innings, and then it all fell apart in the third. We know that having Wakefield/Weiland/Lackey incapable of getting you five decent innings is putting the team in a hole every night, but what this is doing to the bullpen is awful.

Think about it: the most effective pitcher last night was probably Atchison, who acted as a 2.1 inning bridge from Bedard to Albers. Atchison/Bedard were, effectively, a combo 5 inning pitcher last night. Ordinarily, you would've used Aceves in that spot, and told him you are pitching through the 7th...but we have to use him too often as it is!

I think it is absolutely critical that Beckett and Lester give us at least 14 innings over the next two nights, combined, so that we can avoid having to go beyond Paps/Bard/Albers, and tell Aceves to be ready to pitch a lot in the Wakefield/Weiland starts against the Yankees.

This is the worst I've seen the Red Sox pitch, as a team, in a lot of years...
   2. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:35 PM (#3931735)
There's no one left on the entire pitching staff that can be trusted. Papelbon's failure last night made that complete.

We're counting on Beckett to go 7 or 8 in only his second start back from the ankle problem? We're counting on Jon "5 walks per game" Lester to go deep into the game in NY on the heels of getting absolutely destroyed by Tampa his last two starts? Neither seems likely.

If you don't have pitching you don't got nothin'. This team is effed.
   3. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:41 PM (#3931737)
That was the first run Papelbon had allowed since July 16. I'm not willing to put him in the "not to be trusted" category.

Other than that though...what happens if Beckett doesn't go 7 tonight? How the hell does Tito piece together the final 9 outs if the game is close?
   4. Greg K Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:46 PM (#3931742)
There's no one left on the entire pitching staff that can be trusted. Papelbon's failure last night made that complete.

This is only true if you mean "can't be trusted to let in absolutely zero runs 100% of the time". If I'm Boston I could probably count on one hand how many closers I'd have rather than Papelbon for this last week.

Of course that brings up the question of how many fingers a city's hand has...and that would lead into a totally different conversation we don't have time for.
   5. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:49 PM (#3931746)
They babied Papelbon all year for just such a situation and he failed miserably. It's ####### ridiculous. All that noise about wanting Rivera money and the first time they ask him to do the slightest bit of heavy lifting he shiits all over himself. He's contemptible.
   6. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 21, 2011 at 01:10 PM (#3931759)
No, the man who gave up a base hit in a clutch situation to lose a game is not contemptible. He's a man who pitched poorly in a baseball game. You need to get a grip.
   7. Rally Posted: September 21, 2011 at 01:20 PM (#3931765)
We're counting on Beckett to go 7 or 8 in only his second start back from the ankle problem?


Why on earth would Curt Schilling think that is reasonable to ask of any pitcher?
   8. Rants Mulliniks Posted: September 21, 2011 at 01:22 PM (#3931767)
She's falling apart at the seams in Red Sox Nation, and I love it!
   9. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: September 21, 2011 at 01:28 PM (#3931772)
No, the man who gave up a base hit in a clutch situation to lose a game is not contemptible. He's a man who pitched poorly in a baseball game. You need to get a grip.

A guy who talks real big about setting the standards for closer salaries and who then promptly fails his team at absolutely the most crucial time of the season is utterly contemptible.
   10. Greg K Posted: September 21, 2011 at 01:41 PM (#3931781)
A guy who talks real big about setting the standards for closer salaries and who then promptly fails his team at absolutely the most crucial time of the season is utterly contemptible.

Yeah just like that jackass who signed what I assume had to have been one of the biggest contracts ever for a reliever in 2001 and then promptly went out and blew game 7 of the World Series.
   11. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: September 21, 2011 at 01:47 PM (#3931787)
Yeah, that jackass sure ran his mouth a ton about how awesome he was and how he was gonna cash in.

Oh wait, that never happened.
   12. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 21, 2011 at 02:07 PM (#3931805)
A guy who talks real big about setting the standards for closer salaries and who then promptly fails his team at absolutely the most crucial time of the season is utterly contemptible.
I see you've boarded the express train to nutty town, too.
   13. Buzzkill Posted: September 21, 2011 at 02:22 PM (#3931826)
How many innings could Curt go? Let's trot him out there.
   14. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 21, 2011 at 02:28 PM (#3931833)
People, people, we're tearing each other apart! And all because we're hurting. We're all hurting because Wally Whitehurst didn't get a championship ring in 1996, but people, we can get through this together.
   15. Mayor Blomberg Posted: September 21, 2011 at 02:29 PM (#3931834)
OK, so what I get from this discussion seems to be that Paps is contemptible and that he gave up the winning run last night, but that there's no causal link between the two claims.

Seems reasonable.
   16. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 21, 2011 at 05:39 PM (#3932004)

A guy who talks real big about setting the standards for closer salaries and who then promptly fails his team at absolutely the most crucial time of the season is utterly contemptible.


Yeah, now you actually do sound deranged.
   17. Srul Itza Posted: September 21, 2011 at 06:05 PM (#3932030)
I have to strongly disagree with Joe H.

Papelbon has been contemptible for years.

Last night did nothing to add to or subtract from that.
   18. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: September 21, 2011 at 06:09 PM (#3932036)
It's not Paps I'm frustrated about from last night. It's two key moments:

1) If Reddick catches Vlad's line drive in the 3rd inning, only one run scores for Baltimore that inning, and Bedard saves, what, a good 15 pitches or more.
2) Bases loaded, nobody out, Joj-Jo Reyes, one of the worst-performing lefty starters in baseball most of this year, is on the mound. Pedroia, Gonzalez, and Ortiz coming up. Pedroia strikes out. Gonzalez hits into what should've been a 3-2-3 double play, but an error plates a run. Ortiz then makes the final out.

We get one run in that situation? With those three guys up? Against that pitcher?

You've got to win this game, and you've got to get at least two runs home in that inning. At least.

Paps shouldn't have even needed to be in the game last night, because we should've had at least seven runs by the 8th inning.
   19. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: September 21, 2011 at 06:15 PM (#3932040)
I'm with 18, that game was lost long before Bard/Papelbon couldn't get through the 8th.

Also, the offense did it's "turn the faucet off" routine pretty nicely going 2 for 19 after Ellsbury's 200th hit.
   20. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: September 21, 2011 at 06:23 PM (#3932049)
WTH's wrong with Papelbon the pitcher? He's been dominant most of the year.

If the Sox hold on to the WC, this will be their first playoffs that I'd have a hard time getting excited about. They play spectacularly ugly baseball.
   21. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: September 21, 2011 at 06:30 PM (#3932059)
I think Papelbon is contemptible, but it has nothing to do with his pitching.
   22. Karl from NY Posted: September 21, 2011 at 07:19 PM (#3932098)
There's no one left on the entire pitching staff that can be trusted. Papelbon's failure last night made that complete.
...
That was the first run Papelbon had allowed since July 16.


Jebus, how neurotic can you get about a baseball team? And I say that as a Mets fan.
   23. Lassus Posted: September 21, 2011 at 07:24 PM (#3932106)
Better living through chemistry, people. Let's try and keep those prescriptions up to date, shall we?
   24. Dangerous Dean Posted: September 21, 2011 at 08:10 PM (#3932162)
I am torn. I want the Red Sox to be good enough to get into the playoffs, but not good enough to get past my Rangers.

So I am hoping that somehow they can win enough slugfests in this last week to back into the wildcard.

FWIW, I saw the Andino double and it looked like he was lucky to keep it fair. I don't think that was a ball that Andino crushed, so I don't know why you'd throw Paps under the bus for one inning of fluky work. Heck, if anything he was probably rusty from lack of use lately.

Looking at his stats just now, I have to disagree about not trusting him. From July 17th until September 16th he had given up 5 hits and 2 walks in 22 innings, with 28 Ks. That is a slash line allowed of .070/.096/.070

For 2 months, hitters looked like they were blindfolded against him.

When you toss him out with the trash, send him to Texas. We'll take that.
   25. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: September 21, 2011 at 08:36 PM (#3932234)
At this point, the Red Sox need to keep Papelbon.
   26. Lassus Posted: September 21, 2011 at 10:36 PM (#3932383)
so I don't know why you'd throw Paps under the bus for one inning of fluky work.

Ooohh me, me, I know this one!

How did my grandmother used to say, they are a few cups of flour shy of a full birthday cake?
   27. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 21, 2011 at 10:57 PM (#3932400)
Phew, that was close. I wasn't sure we were going to be talking about the Red Sox and their playoff chances today, glad I logged on just in time!

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