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Monday, December 09, 2013

Schilling Replaces Hershiser At ESPN

Must check out Just Another ####### #5…to see if “Krucky Bring to the Table” had a no-wave cut on it.

Curt Schilling knows criticism is coming. He expects it.

The former All-Star pitcher and three-time World Series champ (twice with the Boston Red Sox) is replacing Orel Hershiser on ESPN’s “Sunday Night Baseball” broadcast crew next season, giving him a wider audience for his opinions.

“No matter how you phrase it, if you don’t compliment a player, that player’s team, that’s player’s fans think you hate him,” Schilling said Sunday. “I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen people react with ‘You hate so-and-so. You hate so-and-so.’ And it’s just amazing how — it’s a good thing. The passion is great. It’s amazing how much people read into the things that we say on a nightly basis.”

...A six-time All-Star, Schilling said he plans to bring a pitcher’s perspective to the telecasts.

“When I think about the 75 to 100 decisions that went into every single pitch I threw, you can’t break that down,” he said. “But there’s ways to explain, there’s ways to help people watch that I think I can help Dan and Krucky bring to the table.”

And in the first season of expanded replay for umpires’ decisions, Schilling expects to have a lot to discuss

“I’m sure I’m going to gripe and complain at some point,” he said. “Probably often.”

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   1. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 09, 2013 at 10:08 AM (#4614027)
As much of a blowhard as he is I can see Schilling being very very good in this role. I'll miss Hershiser who I generally thought was pretty good.
   2. Bug Selig Posted: December 09, 2013 at 10:31 AM (#4614035)
It's good that they could find someone who knows about pitching. Unlike Orel Hershiser, who was only the smartest non-Maddux pitcher of his era.
   3. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 09, 2013 at 10:35 AM (#4614040)
Hershiser's one of the only baseball commentators out there I don't mute.
   4. TDF, situational idiot Posted: December 09, 2013 at 10:36 AM (#4614041)
As much of a blowhard as he is I can see Schilling being very very good in this role.
I dunno. Jeff Brantley was considered pretty decent as a studio guy, but he's absolutely unlistenable in the booth.
   5. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 09, 2013 at 10:46 AM (#4614045)
Oh he could definitely suck but he seems to have the tools to be very good. I am bummed that Hershiser is gone, he was very insightful.
   6. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: December 09, 2013 at 10:59 AM (#4614052)
Jeff Brantley was considered pretty decent as a studio guy,

By whom? Toothless Mississippians?


but he's absolutely unlistenable in the booth.

Can't find video of it any more, but this exchange has to be Brantley's crowning moment in the booth.


Thom: “See, that’s the problem when you ask a guy who’s never bunted…”

Jeff: “Take him out of the game! Take him out of the game.”

Thom: “Ok, but…”

Jeff: “If he can’t bunt take him out of the game. Put somebody else in there.”

Thom: “Ok, but if you believe in the bunt in this situation…”

Jeff: “You’re at home. You have to tie the game.”

Thom: “But that’s a by-the-book kind of thing. I don’t know if there’s anybody on that bench…that you’re going to bring in…”

Jeff: “This guy is NOT a clutch hitter.”

Thom: “But his numbers are contrary to that…”

Jeff: “He’s not. He’s not…not…not a clutch hitter.”


As soon as Brantley’s “clutch” comment left his lips, Encarnacion’s swing on a 2-2 pitch left the ballpark. Three-run homer. Reds win, 6-5.
   7. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: December 09, 2013 at 11:01 AM (#4614055)
Kruk was surprisingly competent and didn't do much griping about how lame everything is when the broadcast would discuss hot-button issues, so of course ESPN needs to amp up the douchery.

This article doesn't seem to address it, but I see elsewhere that Hershiser is expected to join the Dodgers' new regional network (which I didn't know they were getting). So hopefully this is more of a replace a guy leaving thing than pushing out someone good for a dick who played for the Red Sox.
   8. Esoteric Posted: December 09, 2013 at 11:09 AM (#4614064)
Schilling will do just fine in his new role, if his commentary for MLB/ESPN is anything to go on. Truth be told, he was basically made for this format. Just like Zeth and Jose, I was a big fan of Hershiser, but Schilling is one of the few whom I can see stepping in and doing as good a job as Orel.
   9. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: December 09, 2013 at 11:18 AM (#4614077)
I think Schilling will be fine. He won't be simultaneously awful and awesome like Joe Morgan, but he'll be fine. I've always liked Schulman, too, except for his tendency to add vowel sounds in front of words that start with consonants.

Are they still using Sutcliffe on their B team? He's not very good.

I'm not the most fastidious of internet researchers, but I've found it awfully hard to nail down exactly what the Dodgers' TV deal is. Notably, Fox Sports Prime Ticket (fka Fox Sports West 2) started dumping Dodger games last season in favor of less popular sporting events, so I assumed they were on their way out. So I think they're getting their own dedicated network like the Lakers have.

I think the Dodgers broadcast team will be:

Scully on TV at Chavez Ravine and Arizona/CA road games; Charlie Steiner and Rick Monday (and Orel?) on radio for those games.

Steiner and Hershiser on TV for non-Arizona/CA road games; ??? for radio on those games.

Eric Collins and Steve Lyons, who formally did the non-Scully TV games, have been sacked.

Orel is rumored to be doing lots of pre- and post-game stuff on the new network, which used to be the province of Lyons and [a plug-and-play white guy with good hair].

Vin hasn't had a broadcast partner since Don Drysdale died in Montreal (I don't think), but having Orel in the booth with him is intriguing...

   10. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 09, 2013 at 11:24 AM (#4614080)
Jeff Brantley was considered pretty decent as a studio guy,

By whom? Toothless Mississippians?


Can't speak for toothless Mississippians, but the toothless Alabamians of my acquaintance found him appalling.
   11. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 09, 2013 at 11:25 AM (#4614084)
Must check out Just Another ####### #5…to see if “Krucky Bring to the Table” had a no-wave cut on it.


"Egomaniac's Kiss" would be very appropriate in this instance. (I think very highly of Schilling, FWIW, but still.)
   12. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 09, 2013 at 11:25 AM (#4614085)
Is the Dodgers TV and radio combined the best there is? I like all those guys (not real familiar with Monday though).
   13. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: December 09, 2013 at 11:37 AM (#4614106)
Is the Dodgers TV and radio combined the best there is? I like all those guys (not real familiar with Monday though).


In my biased view, Scully is the best, Steiner is pretty good (although on radio he's annoying because he absolutely refuses to tell you what the score is on a regular basis), and Rick Monday is your typical old-school guy who talks about clubhouse chemistry, lineup protection, pitcher wins, etc. Decent insight on the art of hitting though.

Interested to see how 2014 goes.

   14. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: December 09, 2013 at 11:43 AM (#4614118)
Vin hasn't had a broadcast partner since Don Drysdale died in Montreal (I don't think), but having Orel in the booth with him is intriguing...


Big D wasn't Vin's broadcast partner. At the time, they had 3 solo announcers (Scully, Drysdale, and Ross Porter) that alternated between TV and radio. After Drysdale died, Rick Monday took over his spot.

Time Warner threw a bunch of money at the Dodgers and they will have their own channel now (like the Lakers). They also hired Alana Rizzo away from MLB Network and added Nomar as well. The Lakers pre and post game show is hosted by a tv person and has a couple of players (at least) plus a journalist or two.

As for the non-radio Vin games, I imagine that it will be Rick Monday as the lead guy and he'll have a sidekick.
   15. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: December 09, 2013 at 11:47 AM (#4614124)
Big D wasn't Vin's broadcast partner. At the time, they had 3 solo announcers (Scully, Drysdale, and Ross Porter) that alternated between TV and radio. After Drysdale died, Rick Monday took over his spot.


Thanks for setting me straight on this. In my defense, I was 11 when Drysdale died.

Ross Porter was awesome.
   16. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: December 09, 2013 at 11:50 AM (#4614129)
They also hired Alana Rizzo away from MLB Network and added Nomar as well.


Are they setting us up for a future TV team of Hershiser and Nomar, with Rizzo filling a Ken Rosenthal-type role?
   17. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: December 09, 2013 at 11:51 AM (#4614131)
Not that anybody cares, but the words "Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society" were uttered by Vin Scully during a broadcast this year.
   18. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 09, 2013 at 11:59 AM (#4614148)
This is terrible news.
   19. Greg K Posted: December 09, 2013 at 12:09 PM (#4614163)
In other former great pitcher news, Roy Halladay signs with the Jays!

...on a one-day contract, so he can retire in Toronto.
   20. James Newburg is in awe of Cespedes' CORE STRENGTH Posted: December 09, 2013 at 12:11 PM (#4614165)
Oh, geez.
   21. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: December 09, 2013 at 12:15 PM (#4614171)
The Dodgers' gain is ESPN's loss.
   22. morineko Posted: December 09, 2013 at 12:35 PM (#4614202)
If Hershiser is joining the Dodgers game crew, Dodgers away broadcasts will actually become listenable again.

Indifferent about Schilling. He knows what he's talking about, the problems arise when he wants to make sure that the viewer knows that he's an expert. He's not that bad in the studio but I can see where he could go very, very wrong--anyone who's put up with Bert Blyleven's commentary for the Twins will know what I'm talking about.
   23. theboyqueen Posted: December 09, 2013 at 12:39 PM (#4614210)
I like all of the ESPN radio teams, save the Berman/Sutcliffe pile of suck. Hersheiser is fantastic as a color guy.

Most studio guys are just harmless idiots, but Schilling seems like a full-on creep.
   24. The Adam Dunn Effort #44 Posted: December 09, 2013 at 12:48 PM (#4614223)
Transitive bad news, I agree - it's not going to be easy to watch/listen
   25. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: December 09, 2013 at 01:09 PM (#4614253)
Well this blows.
   26. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: December 09, 2013 at 01:49 PM (#4614312)
Are they still using Sutcliffe on their B team? He's not very good.

If by "not very good," you mean "beyond awful," yeah, Sutcliffe is "not very good." Never mind his attempts at "analysis," that voice is so grating it can give otherwise normal people seizures, à la Mary Hart.
   27. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: December 09, 2013 at 02:09 PM (#4614358)
My Hershiser memory:

I listened to the first couple of innings last night's game on the radio--Orel Hershiser and Dan Shulman, for ESPN.

I think it was the second inning. The game was still scoreless, but the Cardinals had guys on first and second with two outs. Jon Jay was at the plate, and Lackey got ahead in the count 0 and 2.

Hershiser explained that Lackey typically threw curveballs in this spot, as Jay was a lousy curveball hitter, and would probably chase. And sure enough, Lackey throws a curveball....but wildly, and it got past Ross and both runners moved up a spot.

Hershiser again: "Boy, this is a test for Lackey. That curveball is his best pitch, but he's going to be scared to death of throwing another wild one here. I think he has to cave in and throw a fastball--I don't think he can risk another offspeed pitch after that last one."

On the next pitch, though, Lackey breaks off a beautiful curveball and strikes out Jay and ends the innings. And pretty much the second the pitch leaves his hand, Hersh: "It's a curveball and WOW!!! Strike 3!!! MY GOODNESS, WHAT a PITCH by LACKEY!!!"

And it's just so great, because we know that the reason that particular strikeout got him so excited is because Hershiser used to be a pitcher, and almost certainly faced that exact situation before, and he just knew--he'd literally been in Lackey's shoes--and just knew how much temerity it took Lackey to throw that pitch in that spot. It was a really wonderful moment to listen to.
   28. Chase Insteadman Wannabe Posted: December 09, 2013 at 04:37 PM (#4614544)
Unlike Orel Hershiser, who was only the smartest non-Maddux pitcher of his era.

I think Mike Mussina has a strong case for this title.
   29. vortex of dissipation Posted: December 09, 2013 at 04:48 PM (#4614554)
I think the Dodgers broadcast team will be:

Scully on TV at Chavez Ravine and Arizona/CA road games; Charlie Steiner and Rick Monday (and Orel?) on radio for those games.

Steiner and Hershiser on TV for non-Arizona/CA road games; ??? for radio on those games.

Eric Collins and Steve Lyons, who formally did the non-Scully TV games, have been sacked.

Orel is rumored to be doing lots of pre- and post-game stuff on the new network, which used to be the province of Lyons and [a plug-and-play white guy with good hair].

Vin hasn't had a broadcast partner since Don Drysdale died in Montreal (I don't think), but having Orel in the booth with him is intriguing...


Does this mean that Scully will no longer be on the radio? I listened to the radio broadcasts for the Dodgers' playoff games specifically to listen to Vin.
   30. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: December 09, 2013 at 04:52 PM (#4614557)
Holy crap is this a downgrade. It's like when Gary Marshall was casting Exit to Eden and couldn't get Sharon Stone so he cast Rosie O'Donnell.
   31. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: December 09, 2013 at 05:00 PM (#4614559)
Vortex,

The Dodgers simulcast the first 3 innings of Vin games (as otherwise noted, all home games and road games in CA/AZ). After the 3rd, he is exclusively on TV. For the playoffs he did 1-3, Monday and Steiner did 4-6, and Vin finished up the rest.

I don't know if they'll continue the simulcast thing, but it seems to be pretty popular.
   32. Dan Posted: December 09, 2013 at 05:04 PM (#4614565)
Does this mean Hershiser is leaving ESPN? Maybe to replace Tim McCarver on Fox?

Let's hope so.
   33. Dan Posted: December 09, 2013 at 05:06 PM (#4614567)
As for Schilling, he isn't always great in the studio work when I've seen him but when I heard him do an actual game for ESPN last year I actually thought he did a really good job.
   34. TRBMB Posted: December 09, 2013 at 05:55 PM (#4614605)
I am shocked ESPN, which always leads the way, didn't elect to go with 4 in the booth, give us more and more of nothing. Next up I understand, to complement the innovative and always useless The Bottom Line, is The Top Line, so as to give us additional repetitive information with an intention to disguise the entire field behind graphics. That way, so as to understand what is actually happening on the field, Schilling will never shut up with his valuable nonsense and we'll need 6 in the booth to fill in any blanks.
   35. vortex of dissipation Posted: December 09, 2013 at 05:58 PM (#4614610)
The Dodgers simulcast the first 3 innings of Vin games (as otherwise noted, all home games and road games in CA/AZ). After the 3rd, he is exclusively on TV. For the playoffs he did 1-3, Monday and Steiner did 4-6, and Vin finished up the rest.

I don't know if they'll continue the simulcast thing, but it seems to be pretty popular.


Thanks. I hope I'll be able to continue to listen to him via my mlb.com radio subscription.
   36. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: December 09, 2013 at 09:14 PM (#4614751)
Steve Lyons is out? Awesome. It is going to be terrible when Vin is done, but it looks like the Dodgers broadcasts may not move into the class of those such as the Reds, which are on the "under no circumstances" list.
   37. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 09, 2013 at 09:54 PM (#4614773)
schilling can start by laying off the spaghettios out of the can. boy the fella is getting chunky.
   38. madvillain Posted: December 09, 2013 at 10:01 PM (#4614777)
“When I think about the 75 to 100 decisions that went into every single pitch I threw, you can’t break that down,” he said. “But there’s ways to explain, there’s ways to help people watch that I think I can help Dan and Krucky bring to the table.”


If only he put so much thought into his video game company. Yuk yuk yuk. Schilling is a blow hard, he'll fit right in on ESPN.
   39. Gonfalon B. Posted: December 09, 2013 at 10:33 PM (#4614794)
Orel Hershiser could find less promising gigs than the backup to an 86-year-old announcer.
   40. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 09, 2013 at 10:35 PM (#4614795)
Hershiser was a hell of a pitching coach too--if I recall correctly he quit that because he wanted badly to be a manager and no one would hire him on straight to the major leagues in that role. I believe he was a player in the coup to oust Paul DePodesta from Los Angeles and thought he was going to be made manager or GM... my memory's hazy there.

He's been good at everything he's ever tried and I'm selfishly hoping he finds his way back onto national TV soon.
   41. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: December 09, 2013 at 10:54 PM (#4614812)
“When I think about the 75 to 100 decisions that went into every single pitch I threw, you can’t break that down,”


Bite me, Schilling.
   42. DFA Posted: December 10, 2013 at 02:21 AM (#4614878)
I can't echo the praise of Hershiser enough. He seemed like a natural, able to get inside the mind of the pitcher without being arrogant about previous success. As others have stated, he was great on the radio call during the world series.

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