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Thursday, September 04, 2014

Scott Boras thinks Cubs should call Kris Bryant up

“But if this is a performance-driven industry as it should be, Bryant deserves the callup, based on performance,” said Boras. “What’s best for the player, what’s best for the team in 2015? The goal here is trying to make the team the best it can be in 2015. And what can you do to ready him for that?”

From Boras’ point of view, he’s just trying to get his client to the ultimate stage for baseball players. And one does wonder if Bryant isn’t at least a bit irked he won’t get the call. He hit .325/.438/.661 with 34 doubles, 43 homers, 110 RBI and 15 steals this season across Double-A and Triple-A.

 

Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: September 04, 2014 at 04:43 AM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: cubs, opinions are like, scott boras

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   1. JRVJ Posted: September 04, 2014 at 09:09 AM (#4785184)
Probably thinks they should give him a 6 year, $144MM contract NOW, FWIW.
   2. McCoy Posted: September 04, 2014 at 09:38 AM (#4785206)
Could be an interesting study to see if September call ups progress at a faster rate or not. I was going to say that how much major league pitching would he see in September anyway but the Cubs schedule is packed with playoff contending teams. So I don't know, bringing him up might very well help him and the Cubs. What would be the gains to do it and what would be the costs?
   3. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: September 04, 2014 at 09:55 AM (#4785220)
The main cost is less roster flexibility for this winter's Rule 5 draft. Also, if they put him on the 40 man now and then he gets hurt in spring training next year, then he starts accruing MLB service time.

Both of those are pretty inconsequential, IMHO.
   4. Charles S. will not yield to this monkey court Posted: September 04, 2014 at 10:18 AM (#4785238)
I don't know where to find it, but it would be interesting to see a list of which prospects are hitting the Rule 5 threshold this winter. Does Pierce Johnson hit it? What about Edwards or Corey Black? The organization might need some space on the 40-man to stash them while Bryant is safe for another year.

There is very little upside to bringing up Bryant at this point. Last year he destroyed college pitching, three levels of the Cubs org, plus the AFL. This year, he's torn up the top two levels. What are a few at-bats in September going to prove? Meanwhile, you save a spot on the 40-man, and watch Luis Valbuena raise his trade value with this good finish. Maybe you even wait three weeks into 2015 to keep team control for 2021. Pushing past the Super-2 deadline seems like a little much, though. Bryant's still going to get plenty of money.
   5. SouthSideRyan Posted: September 04, 2014 at 11:16 AM (#4785295)
There's no maybe about it Charles, they'll keep him down for the extra year of control.
   6. Ziggy Posted: September 04, 2014 at 11:18 AM (#4785299)
Would Boras get a cut of the pro-rated league minimum that Bryant would get for the next three weeks? Maybe he's just trying to pick up a little pocket money.
   7. villageidiom Posted: September 04, 2014 at 11:44 AM (#4785326)
“But if this is a performance-driven industry as it should be,
Good luck with that Stephen Drew free agent contract negotiation, Scott.
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 04, 2014 at 12:10 PM (#4785362)
So who had Sept. 4 in the date pool for this inevitable article?
   9. Norcan Posted: September 04, 2014 at 03:09 PM (#4785570)
I can see the argument about not calling him up due to the 40 man roster crunch. It also applies to reliever Armando Rivero. But I'd be less apt to understand them keeping him down for the beginning part of next season if that's what happens. That's what small market clubs do to try and keep their players under control for as long as possible. Big market clubs that can afford to sign their own free agents to huge contracts many, many years from now shouldn't be engaging in the same practice. They could potentially vie for one of the two wild card spots next year and keeping Bryant in the minor leagues makes that harder.
   10. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: September 04, 2014 at 05:26 PM (#4785665)
Generally agree with [9], but maybe Boras clients would be an exception. Very unlikely to extend prior to FA and will eventually go to the highest bidder, so I can see a rationale for wanting as prime a six years of service as possible (especially with the 2015 'optimistic' outlook being 'could be vying for a WC').
   11. Kiko Sakata Posted: September 04, 2014 at 05:54 PM (#4785680)
(especially with the 2015 'optimistic' outlook being 'could be vying for a WC')


I'm probably falling into overly optimistic fanboy territory, but I don't see why that has to be the "optimistic" outlook. The current version of the Cubs is a .500 team (26-25 since Alcantera - the first of the kids - was called up) that will have 6 starting position players age 25 or under at the start of next season if Bryant's the starting 3B. They have virtually no contract commitments so no excuse not to win the bidding for Jon Lester and/or Max Scherzer. There's no reason why the Cubs shouldn't spend this offseason with the intention of building a team that projects to 90 wins next season. And there's no reason why 90 wins shouldn't be able to compete for the NL Central - the Cardinals have been out-scored this season, the Brewers seem to be playing over their head this year and liable to come back to Earth, the Reds are on the way down, and the Pirates are the Pirates.

If you want to think about 6-year windows, I don't know why the Cubs wouldn't be viewing that window as 2015-2020. And, of course, a team with the resources of the Chicago Cubs has no excuse for limiting itself to 6-year windows and taking for granted that it can't pay free-agent prices for players it wants to keep.
   12. akrasian Posted: September 04, 2014 at 05:54 PM (#4785682)
Right. Boras and clients insist on playing hardball for every penny within the rules - it's a little hard to feel as sorry for them when the team does the same thing. i.e. if a team doesn't play hardball right back, Boras will just gladly take the player to another team in 6 years without considering negotiating a mutually beneficial extension early. Waiting until May gives the team 5 more months of control - and as you said, the extra time is likely to be a player in his prime.
   13. Baldrick Posted: September 04, 2014 at 06:08 PM (#4785685)
It's pretty rare for a team to enter a season without 'challenge for a WC spot' as a reasonable goal. I mean, I would say that 16 teams currently meet that standard (every team with a winning record). They're all within 4.5 games of a WC spot right now. And of the teams who aren't currently challenging, you've got the defending champions and three or four other teams who made the playoffs last year - who presumably thought their chances going into the season were reasonably good. And plenty of others were decent in 2013 and attempted to improve over the offseason.

The Cubs don't look like the best team in baseball going into next year. But their upside is 'pennant-winners,' not 'challenge for a WC spot.' Maybe a bunch of these guys won't pan out or will get hurt and they'll lose 100 games. But I wouldn't be at all shocked if they were leading their division 365 days from now.
   14. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: September 04, 2014 at 06:30 PM (#4785696)
especially with the 2015 'optimistic' outlook being 'could be vying for a WC'


In 2012 the Nationals' upside looked to be "finish above .500"
   15. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: September 04, 2014 at 06:33 PM (#4785701)
I don't know where to find it, but it would be interesting to see a list of which prospects are hitting the Rule 5 threshold this winter. Does Pierce Johnson hit it? What about Edwards or Corey Black?

This article talks a bit about these questions.
   16. McCoy Posted: September 04, 2014 at 07:01 PM (#4785712)
In 2012 the Nationals' upside looked to be "finish above .500"

Well, they accomplished that.
   17. Captain Supporter Posted: September 04, 2014 at 07:19 PM (#4785722)
Scott Boras is entitled to express his opinion and the Cubs are entitled to ignore him and do what they think is best for the organization. In any case, Boras is just spouting off to impress his client by showing how he is fighting for his interests..

The better story is about how Boras screwed up Stephen Drew's career. Going forward, players will now think twice about holding out until June, which is a good thing.
   18. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 04, 2014 at 07:52 PM (#4785744)
The better story is about how Boras screwed up Stephen Drew's career. Going forward, players will now think twice about holding out until June, which is a good thing.


Eh, maybe not about the hold outs. Boras is like any other businessman and sometimes he reads the market wrong, it happens. He is easy to loathe, but in most cases he's d*mn good at getting what I assume his client wants. But yes, your general point stands, he has definitely harmed Drew's career going forward. However Boras has not been swinging the bat for Drew since he signed. If Drew were slashing 280/330/400, all would be ok.
   19. villageidiom Posted: September 04, 2014 at 09:56 PM (#4785799)
Eh, maybe not about the hold outs. Boras is like any other businessman and sometimes he reads the market wrong, it happens.
Stephen isn't the only Drew to choose to sit out MLB in the interest of getting a better deal than was offered. It's unclear how much of this was Boras, and how much of this was Drew.
   20. Norcan Posted: September 04, 2014 at 10:23 PM (#4785815)
I doubt sitting out all the way until after the draft were the preferences for Drew and Morales. After the first game of the season was over and they couldn't be tagged with a qualifying offer again, there was no upside to waiting that long. I think it was more about teams waiting until after the draft to sign them and not the players deciding upon it. The only reported action on them started in June. Going forward, I think the change is going to be players thinking twice about turning down the qualifying offer.

Where is gets really unfair is that once tagged, a player might not be able to get off the QO trolley unless he plays so well or he takes a team friendly deal. Ervin Santana might be in the exact same situation as last season. He'll be coming off two good seasons in a row instead of just one but he'll be a year older and still not really worth shelling out a big deal and giving up a draft pick. This time around he might take the qualifying offer or sign a team friendly deal with Atlanta along the lines of what De la Rosa just did with Colorado. It should be prohibited from extending QOs to a player in consecutive seasons.
   21. villageidiom Posted: September 05, 2014 at 08:24 AM (#4785925)
I doubt sitting out all the way until after the draft were the preferences for Drew
Correct. His preference was to sign a high AAV multiyear deal. That's my preference too, to sign a high AAV multiyear MLB contract. That it's more justifiable for Drew than it is for me does not mean his preference would be met.

Absent getting that, it is unclear what Drew's secondary preferences were. It is only clear what he did. I am just saying that sitting out for an extended period is not unprecedented in his own family, so we can't say Drew was a victim of Boras in this. It could easily have been that Drew followed his big brother's advice or example, and Boras did his bidding.
   22. Charles S. will not yield to this monkey court Posted: September 05, 2014 at 10:18 AM (#4785982)
Post 15. Good link. Thank you.
   23. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2014 at 12:42 PM (#4786710)
Cubs are tied for the 5th best record in the NL over the last 100 games. I'm sure having Bryant up sometime in the summer would have helped the Cubs win more games as well.

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