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Saturday, January 21, 2012

Sean Forman talks to MLB Network

If you can’t get enough of Baseball-Reference.com’s Sean Forman (and if you know Sean no one would blame you), here’s his television debut on the MLB Nework.

Enjoy!!

Jim Furtado Posted: January 21, 2012 at 11:32 AM | 53 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 21, 2012 at 12:11 PM (#4041859)
So does Sean pass bbc's 'smooth baritone' test? Inquiring minds want to know.
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4041871)
I just noticed the addition of Japanese stats the other day. Love it. Sean did a great job!
   3. Walt Davis Posted: January 21, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4041915)
Of course the site is screwy at the moment as I try to run a tracer on the Kevin Youkilis comment! Conspiracy? :-)
   4. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: January 21, 2012 at 02:02 PM (#4041926)
He looks just like I imagined him! Although, to be fair, I have met him.
   5. The District Attorney Posted: January 21, 2012 at 02:21 PM (#4041935)
He looks just like I imagined him! Although, to be fair, I have met him.
I nominate this for a "Yogi", or perhaps a "Rickey."
   6. bobm Posted: January 21, 2012 at 02:27 PM (#4041938)
He looks just like I Rickey imagined him! Although, to be fair, I have Rickey has met him.

I nominate this for a "Yogi", or perhaps a "Rickey."


Rickey'ed TFY
   7. I Am Not a Number Posted: January 21, 2012 at 02:48 PM (#4041946)
However much praise Sean gets is nowhere near enough.
   8. hokieneer Posted: January 21, 2012 at 03:01 PM (#4041949)
Thanks jim for a link. I recorded the show at least twice and missed the Foreman episode both times.

Good news is, I reconfirmed my opinion that Kenny is a terrific studio personality that just needed to get away from ESPN. I'll be checking out CC in the future.
   9. shoewizard Posted: January 21, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4041999)
Can anyone here imgaine a world without BB-ref ?

I hope he has a good succession plan.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: January 21, 2012 at 05:38 PM (#4042003)
Hmmm... I can get to Johnny Damon's splits but not Youk's. The conspiracy deepens!!
   11. base ball chick Posted: January 21, 2012 at 07:43 PM (#4042067)
definitely not a smooth baritone, pitch too high, too many ums - the boy needs to smooth it out, talk a leeetle slower, but he's extremely better than will carroll/dave cameron/other dorx i have seen.

sean sounds like a nice guy, not like either a guy giving odds or betting/fantasy stuff or one of those - you are so dumbern me - snooty dweebs. he seems like the kind of guy who, if you asked him something like - how do you work this here play index thingy, he wouldn't just roll eyes and say - i gotta headache and it's name is YOU. he's say, glad you asked, cmere gf and lemme show you how to work it

big smile

in fact, he just might could be a stat guy the usual BBWAA just might could manage to not hate.

he looks a LOT like orel hershiser, doesn't he. cleans up real nice, not fat neither

but those glasses are just AWFUL - he should get those big black dork glasses that are so HOTTTTT on smart guys. he needs to get that - absent minded prof who is somehow teh HOTTTTT when you slip those, uh, glasses off (ahem) look goin on

so anyhow right now, mrs dr forman can not worry bout if sean is gonna replace my bradley awesomeness wearing a surfboard screensavah

roolz subject to change without notiice...



   12. Xander Posted: January 21, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4042074)
Honestly, what the hell are you talking about? Why is it that, across several threads, it seems like the only thing you care about is a person's presentation on television? Are you trying to be ironic or is there a serious fixation there?
   13. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 21, 2012 at 08:27 PM (#4042088)
definitely not a smooth baritone, pitch too high, too many ums - the boy needs to smooth it out, talk a leeetle slower

Man, you would hate me! My voice is nasally, on the high side, and both talk too fast and tend to get excitable when conversations get going.
   14. cardsfanboy Posted: January 21, 2012 at 09:02 PM (#4042105)
definitely not a smooth baritone, pitch too high, too many ums - the boy needs to smooth it out, talk a leeetle slower, but he's extremely better than will carroll/dave cameron/other dorx i have seen.

sean sounds like a nice guy, not like either a guy giving odds or betting/fantasy stuff or one of those - you are so dumbern me - snooty dweebs. he seems like the kind of guy who, if you asked him something like - how do you work this here play index thingy, he wouldn't just roll eyes and say - i gotta headache and it's name is YOU. he's say, glad you asked, cmere gf and lemme show you how to work it

big smile

in fact, he just might could be a stat guy the usual BBWAA just might could manage to not hate.

he looks a LOT like orel hershiser, doesn't he. cleans up real nice, not fat neither

but those glasses are just AWFUL - he should get those big black dork glasses that are so HOTTTTT on smart guys. he needs to get that - absent minded prof who is somehow teh HOTTTTT when you slip those, uh, glasses off (ahem) look goin on

so anyhow right now, mrs dr forman can not worry bout if sean is gonna replace my bradley awesomeness wearing a surfboard screensavah

roolz subject to change without notiice...


I loved this comment, I hope you never change.
   15. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: January 21, 2012 at 09:54 PM (#4042127)
Finally got around to watching it, Sean nice job. The interview was great and you do just an amazing job with the site.

And comments 4, 5 and 6 in this thread is the best series of consecutive comments in the history of BTF (well, since 2008 anyway).

Can anyone here imgaine a world without BB-ref ?


No. I can't believe how recent things like daily updates and the Play Index are. I mean it was the best website out there BEFORE those things and now...seriously, tell me you have this thing backed up many times over.
   16. base ball chick Posted: January 21, 2012 at 10:40 PM (#4042150)
templeusox

patiently

because other people and i have been talking across many threads for many years about how there is this, um, perception about what men who are into baseball stats are like/look like and why aren't they on TV more etcetcetc

you know, like how the usual media people like to front that THEY are the only ones who can talk about baseball. you know, like the BBWAA talk about anyone who talks about anything besides Teh Fearrr or Playing To The Score is some icky gross Fat Dork in his mama basement. and shouldn't be blogging. or on TV

so i would like someone to represent who is NOT the usual stereotype.

and it would be nice if there was also someone who could appeal to female fans - i mean, besides me. and part of appealing to female fans is being smart but not making you feel STUPID. and also not being like, whiny, ###### or lookin like this combing hair and wearing something besides raggy pajama bottoms is a new thing.

and you don't think it would be teh kewl if grrrls was thinkin bout, say, sean the math prof, the way we do about, say, matt kemp? (i would say joe mauer/ryan braun, but they just rich, not HOTTTTT)

- and by the way, i would sure like it if we had a female stat geek reporter chick on BBTN or CC - and she should be hot without being either blond, stupid or slutty or another booberrific "sidelines" reporter - say, alyson footer
   17. base ball chick Posted: January 21, 2012 at 10:44 PM (#4042155)
szym darling,

ah figgered you was a fast talker anyhow... i wouldn't NEVAH hate you. i like you too much
   18. Howie Menckel Posted: January 22, 2012 at 12:35 AM (#4042216)
I noted on the other thread that I would wait for the bbc take.

I realize that newcomers don't get it, but a rare female who also loves/loved the Astros and who would give a brutally honest review of a BBTF god's TV performance is a very good thing.

Maybe I should try to unearth (offline) a couple of my own TV gigs. Constructive - not fawning nor vicious - criticism is a good thing.

And Sean did pretty well on that count, I'd say.

   19. cardsfanboy Posted: January 22, 2012 at 03:29 AM (#4042250)
BB-ref is awesome, but the other sites suck high balls. I know the other sports don't lend themselves too much to stat talk, on the nhl team page, the first section is a summary list that is just a repeat of the second section of the team page, but without the ability to sort. The NFL site doesn't denote playoff teams in any way.... utterly useless websites.

Neither site has the standings in a traditional format, it's like they went out of their way to minimize the stuff that people would actually go to look for. I mean the hockey page has list of standings and points...that is it. I've never seen hockey standings listed that way, the tradition has always been wins, losses, ties, games played(with overtime losses added when it became an issue) And a second section underneath to list the standings for the post season.
   20. Dr. Vaux Posted: January 22, 2012 at 03:50 AM (#4042251)
Maybe I'd be good at the TV stathead role, since I'm very thin and have a deep voice. On the other hand, my knowledge of stats is almost certainly only average or below among denizens of BTF. I don't wear big dork glasses, either . . . I wear the same roundish, thin wire frames that I've worn for the past 15 years, and my girlfriend likes them, so that's all I care about.
   21. Greg K Posted: January 22, 2012 at 04:57 AM (#4042255)
i wouldn't NEVAH hate you. i like you too much

This has an aroma of Yogi philosophy as well.
   22. thetailor Posted: January 22, 2012 at 02:27 PM (#4042496)
Wow, Sean's mom has a very nice, fancy looking basement.
   23. thetailor Posted: January 22, 2012 at 02:29 PM (#4042498)
Also, bbc, you don't find Joe Mauer attractive? http://mlblogsbilfreporter.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/happy.jpg
   24. base ball chick Posted: January 22, 2012 at 02:44 PM (#4042515)
joe mauer is not attractive. he is not ugly like andy echtabarren or something, but i promise you that if joe was an ER nurse or a truck driver or the insurance guy, grrrls wouldn't notice him real too much. what makes him attractive is him being famous/rich. and his voice ain't nothin to write home about neither
   25. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: January 22, 2012 at 02:48 PM (#4042519)
I might make a good stats guy on TV since I have an excellent speaking voice and even wear the scholarly half-glasses that perch on the end of my nose. And if TV adds 10 pounds, it won't affect me at all. Ten pounds on me is like throwing an extra scoop of sand on the beach.

If Prince Fielder and I were riding a seesaw, it wouldn't be me stuck in the air.
   26. base ball chick Posted: January 22, 2012 at 03:10 PM (#4042536)
actually, believe it or not, on the tv, i'd rather have someone with a GOOD speaking voice who isn't either acting like yew the audience are teh dumb or like he's reading a script word for word - to a good looking man. seriously. i'd rather listen to vin scully talk baseball than any young HOTTT guy who can't talk

the goodlookin man is just to shut up all the people who have stereotypes about what a stat person has to look like/be like
   27. Don Malcolm Posted: January 22, 2012 at 06:59 PM (#4042662)
he goodlookin man is just to shut up all the people who have stereotypes about what a stat person has to look like/be like

Well, Jim F. would be your guy--a self-professed "9"--but that accent!!
   28. eric Posted: January 22, 2012 at 08:20 PM (#4042711)
joe mauer is not attractive. he is not ugly like andy echtabarren or something, but i promise you that if joe was an ER nurse or a truck driver or the insurance guy, grrrls wouldn't notice him real too much. what makes him attractive is him being famous/rich. and his voice ain't nothin to write home about neither


I have to disagree. I know a few women who find him quite attractive even without knowing anything about him. I was watching the AS game a couple years ago with one girl (who knows nothing about baseball and hates it) and knowing absolutely nothing about any of the players she said the only one she found attractive was Joe Mauer. More specifically, she was looking at the game with vague bewilderment and then they panned the dugout with closeups of the players and only when they arrived at Mauer did she perk up and say "who's that?? he's hot!" Out of 60+ guys on the field she happens to pick him and him alone based on only looks. That's a pretty strong endorsement.
   29. base ball chick Posted: January 22, 2012 at 11:20 PM (#4042823)
well eric

it's like this

some grrrls like matt kemp and some grrrls like joe mauer. and i bet that some grrrls like you too!!!!
   30. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 23, 2012 at 12:08 AM (#4042845)
they panned the dugout with closeups of the players and only when they arrived at Mauer did she perk up and say "who's that?? he's hot!" Out of 60+ guys on the field she happens to pick him and him alone based on only looks. That's a pretty strong endorsement.

Yes, but he was sitting in between Vladimir Guerrero and Dustin Pedroia.
   31. thetailor Posted: January 23, 2012 at 01:46 AM (#4042894)
He was catching Alexi Ogando?
   32. Guy LeDouche Posted: January 23, 2012 at 03:24 AM (#4042911)
He looks like Orel Hershiser
   33. zack Posted: January 23, 2012 at 11:09 AM (#4043120)
Neither site has the standings in a traditional format, it's like they went out of their way to minimize the stuff that people would actually go to look for. I mean the hockey page has list of standings and points...that is it. I've never seen hockey standings listed that way, the tradition has always been wins, losses, ties, games played(with overtime losses added when it became an issue) And a second section underneath to list the standings for the post season.


I actually go to HR specifically because the standings are different. I can get the tradtional standings anywhere, but HR has the only quick way to sort the conferences by points percentage.

That and the play index on HR is still free, so it is the greetest evar.
   34. Sean Forman Posted: January 23, 2012 at 12:16 PM (#4043261)
BB-ref is awesome, but the other sites suck high balls. I know the other sports don't lend themselves too much to stat talk, on the nhl team page, the first section is a summary list that is just a repeat of the second section of the team page, but without the ability to sort. The NFL site doesn't denote playoff teams in any way.... utterly useless websites.

Neither site has the standings in a traditional format, it's like they went out of their way to minimize the stuff that people would actually go to look for. I mean the hockey page has list of standings and points...that is it. I've never seen hockey standings listed that way, the tradition has always been wins, losses, ties, games played(with overtime losses added when it became an issue) And a second section underneath to list the standings for the post season.


I'll file a bug, certainly no reason we can't mark playoff teams on the NFL site. Should be updated this week.

CFB, are these not the hockey standings you are looking for?
http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/NHL_2012.html
http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/NHL_2011.html (postseason below the standings)

on the front page we just can't fit a full list of standings. The NHL, doesn't have any standings on their front page that I can see, nor does the NFL or ESPN's front pages for those sports.

If ours are "utterly useless" which sites are you using because I might want to use them too.
   35. Bruce Markusen Posted: January 23, 2012 at 06:18 PM (#4043630)
David Cameron of USS Mariner made an appearance on tonight's show. If nothing else, Brian Kenny is putting some faces and voices to many of the Sabermetric writers and researchers.
   36. cardsfanboy Posted: January 23, 2012 at 06:41 PM (#4043642)
CFB, are these not the hockey standings you are looking for?


Sorry, I was talking about on the front page. The front page doesn't have the quick look feel that someone might want to get for an in season snapshot, like the baseball page does. I find myself actually going to espn.com to get hockey standings and that is just not right. Then even after you go to the first page and click summary to get to the second page, the standings don't separate to show who is in the playoff hunt, instead it shows the standard standing and a ranking of all thirty teams in one summary instead of broken down by conference to see where your team ranks in the wildcard chase. Espn's example of conference standings


I actually go to HR specifically because the standings are different. I can get the tradtional standings anywhere, but HR has the only quick way to sort the conferences by points percentage


I'm all for extra information in the standings, just think that the established standard should be followed at a minimum.

Edit: what I mean about the front page is that it lists just team name, points and a link to the teams clubhouse. A minimum should be points, wins, loses, overtime losses. (also the ability to sort that I mentioned must have been a flaw with my browser because that looks different now--before the second section was just a text file, now it's working for me. )
   37. Jim Furtado Posted: January 23, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4043732)
he goodlookin man is just to shut up all the people who have stereotypes about what a stat person has to look like/be like

Well, Jim F. would be your guy--a self-professed "9"--but that accent!!
Thank you, Don. My "9" days may be long gone, but I still have enough "going on" to get a hot, sexy new wife. :)

Accent? What accent?
   38. Joe Kehoskie Posted: January 23, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4043745)
I'm at least a "9," too — on the scale of Faces Made for Radio.

Nice job on the MLB Network, Sean. This was your actual TV debut or simply your debut on MLBN?
   39. Mike Emeigh Posted: January 23, 2012 at 09:16 PM (#4043763)
and by the way, i would sure like it if we had a female stat geek reporter chick on BBTN or CC - and she should be hot without being either blond, stupid or slutty or another booberrific "sidelines" reporter - say, alyson footer


Alyson Footer is a fantastic writer and I think she'd probably be great on TV, too.

-- MWE
   40. Jim Furtado Posted: January 23, 2012 at 09:45 PM (#4043789)
Joe, it was his debut on MLBN. It wasn't his debut on TV. A few years ago he was a finalist on America's Top Sabermetrician.
   41. Mike Emeigh Posted: January 23, 2012 at 09:54 PM (#4043794)
A few years ago he was a finalist on America's Top Sabermetrician.


...seen by an audience of 3 following the late-night infomercial for the ShamWow!

-- MWE
   42. Sean Forman Posted: January 23, 2012 at 09:54 PM (#4043795)
Joe, it was his debut on MLBN. It wasn't his debut on TV. A few years ago he was a finalist on America's Top Sabermetrician.


Yes, I got voted off when I missed the linear weight for a triple by two-tenths of a run.

I did a 30-minute panel show on CN8, and I've done some bits for MLB Network Prime 9, but those are cut up two-second sound bites, so this was my first one-on-one on television. Probably the thing that gave me the most confidence to handle it was the SABR panel I was on last summer and the run-in with Sal Pal on Philly sports talk radio last summer.
   43. base ball chick Posted: January 23, 2012 at 10:16 PM (#4043811)
Jim Furtado Posted: January 23, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4043732)

Accent? What accent?


- the one where you taak lahk the gaahs ahn tv who pahk the cah in havahd yahd


Mike Emeigh Posted: January 23, 2012 at 09:16 PM (#4043763)

and by the way, i would sure like it if we had a female stat geek reporter chick on BBTN or CC - and she should be hot without being either blond, stupid or slutty or another booberrific "sidelines" reporter - say, alyson footer


Alyson Footer is a fantastic writer and I think she'd probably be great on TV, too.



- she IS great on TV - she used to be on some of the talking about astros broadcasts on foxsports SW and even husby-doo didn't do no complaining bout watching a baseball show when she was on it. he SEZ it got nothing to do with her being a HOTTTTT redhead and i believe him. He just prefers grrrls who know their baseball, i believe that, yes i do.

   44. Joe Kehoskie Posted: January 23, 2012 at 10:20 PM (#4043814)
A few years ago he was a finalist on America's Top Sabermetrician.

Ha ha. I bet the judges on such a show would make Simon Cowell seem like the nicest, least-sarcastic guy on Earth.
   45. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: January 23, 2012 at 11:54 PM (#4043868)
I bet the judges on such a show would make Simon Cowell seem like the nicest, least-sarcastic guy on Earth.

I picture Comic Book Guy x 3.

"Worst. Answer. Ever."
"Worst. Fan. Ever."
"Worst. Clothing. Ever."
   46. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:05 AM (#4043875)
I noticed that Clubhouse Confidential proclaims itself as a show for the Thinking Fan and features a segment called the Shredder.

Is Jim's going to go all BPro on their asses?

   47. Jim Furtado Posted: January 24, 2012 at 06:45 AM (#4043945)
I noticed that Clubhouse Confidential proclaims itself as a show for the Thinking Fan and features a segment called the Shredder.

Is Jim's going to go all BPro on their asses?
I consider it an homage to us.
   48. phredbird Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:59 PM (#4044245)
i like clubhouse confidential and enjoyed sean's segment. i just hope the show doesn't jump the shark.

in person i'm quite handsome, i have high cheekbones and broad shoulders and a commanding voice, and i wear really cool round glasses. unfortunately on camera i come off as a squawking little homunculus, so i probably shouldn't be on the show.
   49. Repoz Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:16 PM (#4044274)
i just hope the show doesn't jump the shark.

They came awfully close when smugadacious Bob Costas was on for a whole episode...plus he looked plenty dopey in a leather jacket.
   50. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:19 PM (#4044279)
I could do the voice (court reporters love me), the looks, the glasses, the stat knowledge... I even wear a suit (for work) (sometimes)... but as I get older, I tend to head off (non-job-related) arguments by saying things like "Yeah, maybe you're right, I dunno." Which doesn't make for very good TV.
   51. Greg Franklin Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:40 PM (#4044314)
in person i'm quite handsome, i have high cheekbones and broad shoulders and a commanding voice, and i wear really cool round glasses. unfortunately on camera i come off as a squawking little homunculus, so i probably shouldn't be on the show.

You're not Nate Silver, are you? My mother is an MSNBC devotee and catches his on-camera appearances all the time - unfortunately, that is her reaction to the PECOTA god.
   52. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:45 PM (#4044318)
in person i'm quite handsome, i have high cheekbones and broad shoulders

at least, that's what I told them at the Braille Institute
   53. phredbird Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:56 PM (#4044345)
oops, i left out the part about being almost bald on top. but i am getting my teeth straightened. actually most people would say i make nate silver look like george clooney.

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