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Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Selig: MLB unlikely to interfere if Melky Cabrera wins NL batting title

CenterStage with a scoop? That hasn’t happened since Cabbage Pump came on the show and announced they were going on tour!

Major League Baseball appears unlikely to interfere if Melky Cabrera wins the NL batting title while serving his 50-game suspension for a positive drug test.

The San Francisco Giants outfielder began Wednesday with a league-leading .346 average, seven points ahead of Pittsburgh’s Andrew McCutchen.

Cabrera has 501 plate appearances, one fewer than the required amount if the Giants play 162 games. Under section 10.22(a) of the Official Baseball Rules, he would win the batting title if an extra hitless at-bat is added to his average and it remains higher than that of any other qualifying player.

“We’ll see how it all plays out,” commissioner Bud Selig said Wednesday after taping an episode of CenterStage for the YES Network. “We generally don’t interfere in that process. We’ll take a look at it at the end of the year.”

Cabrera, the All-Star Game MVP, was suspended Aug. 15 for a positive test for testosterone and is missing the final 45 games of the regular season.

During the YES interview, scheduled to air for the first time Sept. 27, Selig was asked whether records set during the Steroids Era should be revisited.

“You can’t change records because once you get into that it would never stop,” Selig said. “It would create more problems than it would solve.”

Repoz Posted: September 19, 2012 at 05:18 PM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. ...and Toronto selects: Troy Tulowitzki Posted: September 19, 2012 at 05:58 PM (#4240440)
Who gives a #### about who wins a batting title.
   2. cardsfanboy Posted: September 19, 2012 at 06:14 PM (#4240459)
Why would anyone think that MLB would consider for a second interfering with something like this?
   3. RJ in TO Posted: September 19, 2012 at 06:24 PM (#4240473)
Why would anyone think that MLB would consider for a second interfering with something like this?


Because he's a cheater! A dirty, rotten cheater!
   4. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: September 19, 2012 at 06:27 PM (#4240478)
"Sorry, Melky, no Cabreras can win the batting title."

"But what about Miguel?"

"I said no Cabreras. We're allowed to have one."
   5. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: September 19, 2012 at 06:39 PM (#4240501)
"Interfere"? What's he going to do, rewrite math?

A batting title is not an honor, like MVP; there's no discretion involved.
   6. Robinson Cano Plate Like Home Posted: September 19, 2012 at 07:05 PM (#4240535)
What's he going to do, rewrite math?


Don't give Selig any ideas.
   7. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: September 19, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4240609)
there's no discretion involved
The "best interests" seems to essentially give him discretion about anything he wants.

I should note that I'm not saying he should, just that he can (it seems to me). In my opinion it's stupid that there are statistics and awards that are actually defined in the game's rules in the first place. (By "statistics", I mean yeah, obviously you have to define what a run is and so forth, but there's absolutely no reason why things like batting average or OBA or ERA or whatever have to be defined in the rules).
   8. Booey Posted: September 19, 2012 at 11:51 PM (#4240747)
I just now realized that both batting titles could be won by an M.Cabrera. Yeah, I'm a little slow. That's gotta be the first time two players of the same last name won in the same year, right? Let alone two with the same first initial as well.

That said, I hope McCutchen goes on a tear and beats out Melky. And I'm pulling for Miggy to win the Triple Crown.
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: September 20, 2012 at 12:02 AM (#4240750)
That's gotta be the first time two players of the same last name won in the same year, right? Let alone two with the same first initial as well.


Felipe and Matty Alou finished 1&2 in the NL/MLB 1966...But of course not 1st in each league.
   10. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: September 20, 2012 at 12:04 AM (#4240751)
Under section 10.22(a) of the Official Baseball Rules, he would win the batting title if an extra hitless at-bat is added to his average and it remains higher than that of any other qualifying player.


They could change that rule without causing outrage.

As long as it doesn't retrospectively take away that one year that Tony Gwynn needed it.
   11. Booey Posted: September 20, 2012 at 12:42 AM (#4240769)
Under section 10.22(a) of the Official Baseball Rules, he would win the batting title if an extra hitless at-bat is added to his average and it remains higher than that of any other qualifying player.

They could change that rule without causing outrage.

As long as it doesn't retrospectively take away that one year that Tony Gwynn needed it.


And then change it back next season. Just to spite Melky. :)
   12. Sleepy supports unauthorized rambling Posted: September 20, 2012 at 12:54 AM (#4240775)
They could change that rule without causing outrage.


Just change it to say that any player suspended during the season has to take an 0-fer for every game he's suspended to qualify for a title. That would drop him down to around .265.
   13. theboyqueen Posted: September 20, 2012 at 01:09 AM (#4240787)
Its a stupid rule. McCutcheon's BA when he had 502 PA was around .350. Unfortunately for him he managed not to get himself suspended at that point. We have no idea what Melky would have batted had he played the rest of the year. Giving him an 0 for 1 is hardly his worst case scenario.

If the award is best batting average as of 502 PA then McCutcheon wins it (I think, unless someone else was higher as of 502 PA). Either you should qualify or not without getting into make-believe plate appearances.
   14. Tuque Posted: September 20, 2012 at 01:12 AM (#4240790)
Just change it to say that any player suspended during the season has to take an 0-fer for every game he's suspended to qualify for a title

I feel like the MLBPA would find some reason in here to totally freak out.
   15. Davo Dozier Posted: September 20, 2012 at 01:49 AM (#4240804)
"Interfere"? What's he going to do, rewrite math?

In 1938, to qualify for the batting title, a player just needed to appear in 100 games.

Jimmie Foxx appeared in 149 games, had 685 plate appearances, and hit .349. (With 50 homers and 179 RBIs to boot.)

A man named Taffy Wright appeared in exactly 100 games, and over 282 plate appearances hit .350.

The American League decided to award Jimmie Foxx the batting title. Because it just seemed the most fair way to do it.

...If Selig were to do something similar in this situation, I doubt many people would object.
   16. boteman is here Posted: September 20, 2012 at 02:15 AM (#4240811)
Yeah, but who doesn't like Taffy? Except for denture wearers, of course.
   17. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 20, 2012 at 02:16 AM (#4240812)
Despite #15, you don't change the rules in mid-season. No ex post facto rulings from Seligula!
   18. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 20, 2012 at 07:52 AM (#4240847)
Taffy is vile, vile stuff.
   19. SOLockwood Posted: September 20, 2012 at 09:19 AM (#4240882)
They did it with the 1940 AL ERA title as well. The qualifier at the time was 10 CG. Tiny Bonham had a 1.90 ERA in 12 G / 10 CG / 99.1 IP. The league decided to award the title to Bob Feller who had a 2.61 ERA in 320.1 IP.
   20. BDC Posted: September 20, 2012 at 09:25 AM (#4240890)
That's gotta be the first time two players of the same last name won in the same year, right?

It is. It'll be a heck of a trivia question in 2062 when I'm the Harveys Wallbangers of BBTF 3.0.
   21. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 20, 2012 at 09:55 AM (#4240922)
bob

i would be 129

i think i can pull it off
   22. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: September 20, 2012 at 09:58 AM (#4240926)
Just change it to say that any player suspended during the season has to take an 0-fer for every game he's suspended to qualify for a title


An 0-for who many? 0-for-3.1?
   23. Ron J2 Posted: September 20, 2012 at 10:31 AM (#4240962)
I should note that I'm not saying he should, just that he can


I think Sean Forman and Dave Smith limit the power of decisions by MLB on this front.

Take the 1910 AL batting title. MLB's position (last I checked -- they may have changed their mind) is that Ty Cobb won the title. But these days anybody checking is likely to go to BB-ref or retrosheet (with BB-Ref being far more likely) and you get Nap Lajoie as having the highest BA.

Similarly, MLB's position is that Steve McCatty won the era title in 1981. Check out BB-Ref. (For those wondering, the rules said to calculate ERA by ER*9/IP [rounded to nearest whole number of innings] Obviously a rule that goes way back to the time when everything had to be figured by hand. Simplification would be a good thing)
   24. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 20, 2012 at 12:20 PM (#4241081)
The solution is simple and elegant. Barry Bonds started using steroids in the 1998-99 offseason. Let's assume his first injection was on Christmas Day, because baby Jesus. We know this is the right timeline because of Bonds’ famous "Look out world, I'm a-gonna start using steroids!" declaration to Ken Griffey Jr. that everybody except for Griffey heard about. Anyway, that means that Bonds' first 8100 plate appearances are good as gold, and the subsequent 4506 plate appearances are Satan's dingleberries.

But obviously, we can't just erase those wretched 4506 PAs. The question is how much of a penalty to impose. So we dock Bonds 18% of his later statistics, because 18 was Andy Van Slyke’s uniform number and he and Bonds never got along. But even that doesn’t conclude our calibrations, because although Bonds was uniquely evil, he was not uniquely juiced. He was facing pitchers on steroids and fielders on steroids, and there’s just no telling how many screaming doubles he lost to Mark McGwire making incredible diving stops. So devalued Bonds is awarded a 6% bonus, which was calculated by the number of Daily News reporters who killed themselves after Roger Clemens was found not guilty.

That gives us a scientific 86.92% prorated base for Bonds’ fiendish accomplishments. But he played entirely in the non-testing era, when all of us were so staggeringly naive and Bud Selig’s perjury was a brave effort to save the game and the first thing you thought of when somebody mentioned Bill Conlin was “fat.” What Melky Cabrera did was against real rules that were actually written down on paper, as opposed to rules that existed in the hearts of small boys like Mike Lupica. To be fair, Melky didn’t break any records, so his cheating wasn’t that bad. But he still needs to be punished enough -- and the 86.92% penalty only reduces his batting average down to .301. That costs him the batting title, but it still lets him retain the honor of being a .300 hitter, like Hank Aaron and Willie Mays and Rusty Greer. So we’re going to apply a one-time Melky Being Melky handicap of 2 points, knocking him down to .299, thus sanitizing the league leaders board and restoring the steroid-free legacy of San Francisco Giants baseball.
   25. ecwcat Posted: September 20, 2012 at 05:22 PM (#4241500)
1. ...and Toronto selects: Troy Tulowitzki
Who gives a #### about who wins a batting title.


I do, and so do others. Batting average and black ink are valuable. Sorry for you that MLB doesn't give a rat's ass about linear weights or WAR, which ironically will also be devalued in 10 years.

Ron J2 Posted I think Sean Forman and Dave Smith limit the power of decisions by MLB on this front...But these days anybody checking is likely to go to BB-ref or retrosheet


Correct, sir. The "record book" has become whatever website has the most traffic.








   26. Davo Dozier Posted: September 21, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4242325)
MLB rules Melky ineligible for the batting title.
   27. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: September 21, 2012 at 03:25 PM (#4242351)
We need a SUF (steroid usage factor) to apply to all players who get suspended.....say, .77. Melky .350 x .77 SUF= .2695.
   28. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: September 21, 2012 at 03:30 PM (#4242359)
I'm less offended by steroid usage than stupid people with opinions about it.
   29. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: September 21, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4242379)

MLB rules Melky ineligible for the batting title.


It sounds like MELKY ruled Melky ineligible for the batting title.
   30. SoSH U at work Posted: September 21, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4242387)
It sounds like MELKY ruled Melky ineligible for the batting title.


That's pretty interesting. I wonder how Sean will handle it.

   31. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: September 21, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4242403)
That's pretty interesting. I wonder how Sean will handle it.


Melky is agreeing not to take advantage of the clause adding 0-whatever to get to the qualification limit, so I'd imagine Sean would just list him as not qualifying. If the Giants miss a game for whatever reason and Melky qualifies then he would *win* the batting title.

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