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Saturday, November 17, 2012

Semiannual update of Retrosheet site released

Great stuff!

From Dave Smith E-mail to RetroList:

I am pleased to announce that the Retrosheet website has had its fall update
with many additions and revisions.

1. The 2012 season data are now available and player pages are up to
date with this information.

2. Play by play files have been added for both leagues for 1946, 1945
and for the 1931 AL. In each case, we have between half and two thirds of
the games, but those have all received our standard rigorous proofing of
comparing totals against the official totals on a daily basis. The 1931
project received great help from Cliff Blau, who input many games into our
computer format, Walter LeConte, who scanned hundreds of games from St.
Louis newspapers, and Clem Comly who entered the games Walter collected and
also did all the early stages of the proofing.

3. This proofing has led to the discovery of many discrepancies with
the official totals and all are thoroughly documented on our site. Also,
the 1948 and 1949 seasons have had their discrepancies completed to
encompass all the games we have posted for those years.

4. Tom Ruane has completed the careful processing of the 1915 AL and
NL official daily data to create his excellent, detailed box scores for that
season. This information has also been incorporated into the player pages.
The 1915 Federal League is not included yet, but work is underway there as
well.

5. David Vincent has undertaken a systematic review of event files
from the present back to 1972 and is continuing to work on earlier seasons.
He has not only standardized the syntax of events of many cases, but also
added details for hundreds of ejections. To do this, he created a new type
of comment record which documents each of these events in a consistent
format. The ejectee, his role (player, manager, coach), the umpire and a
brief description of the reason are in each record. David has been helped
by some others who researched details: Rich Carletti, Paul Golba, and Trent
McCotter have been especially helpful in this regard.

As always, we work very hard to make all parts of our data as accurate as
possible. However, with the huge amount of information on our site, there
are bound to be some glitches. Our loyal readers have always been
tremendously helpful in alerting us to issues that we need to address. I
ask you to please continue that help and send any questions you have to me
or to our webmaster, Mark Pankin.

Mike Emeigh Posted: November 17, 2012 at 12:12 PM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: research, retrosheet, sabermetrics

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   1. BDC Posted: November 17, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4304937)
This kind of work is overwhelmingly what we call a "labor of love," and fans everywhere are enriched by it. Thanks very much to the Retrosheet researchers.
   2. Gamingboy Posted: November 17, 2012 at 01:26 PM (#4304946)
This kind of work is overwhelmingly what we call a "labor of love," and fans everywhere are enriched by it. Thanks very much to the Retrosheet researchers.


Quoted for truth.
   3. Dan Hirsch Posted: November 17, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4304951)
There goes my weekend!
   4. RJ in TO Posted: November 17, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4304965)
They're always looking for volunteers as well, so send them an email if you have some free time.
   5. AndrewJ Posted: November 17, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4304998)
Looking at Lefty Grove's 1931 splits... He started 30 times that season, and went 27-3 with an ERA under two. Zero no-decisions as a starter that year. Wow.
   6. bobm Posted: November 17, 2012 at 06:25 PM (#4305177)
[5] Amazing. 27 CG and 260.1 IP in 30 GS
   7. AndrewJ Posted: November 17, 2012 at 06:36 PM (#4305181)
[4] A couple of years back I contributed some c. 1952 Philadelphia A's/Phillies newspaper game summaries for a Retrosheet research project. A lot of fun.
   8. Cblau Posted: November 17, 2012 at 09:20 PM (#4305258)
This is so exciting for me. After 13 years as a Retrosheet volunteer, some games I inputted are on the Web site! Many thanks to Dave Smith and all the other Retrosheeters for the great work they do.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: November 18, 2012 at 03:38 AM (#4305442)
Surprisingly (to me), there have been 441 seasons where a pitcher had the same number of decisions as GS (min 162 IP). Of course most of them were guys who also pitched at least some relief so some of the decisions may have come there. There seemed to be three names that came up a few times:

Vic Willis, 1901-06: teaches me the lesson that some guys have more decisions than starts! From 1901 to 1906, he had 233 starts, 14 relief appearances and 234 decisions. He also had a losing record.

Eppa Rixey, 1920-24: 175 starts, 23 relief, 172 decisions

Robin Roberts, 1951-57: 262 starts, 33 relief, 254 decisions. For his career, 609 starts, 67 relief, 531 decisions.

Gaylord Perry, 1972-75: 155 starts, 1 relief, 147 decisions. Unfortunately that one relief appearance came in the year with 40 starts and 40 decisions.

Even guys like Wood and Niekro didn't have runs like Perry. Niekro's best was 41 decisions in 44 starts in 1979. Of course he was 40 years old. If we ignore 1973, Fergie had a 5-year run of 179 decisions in 192 starts.
   10. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: November 18, 2012 at 09:27 AM (#4305461)
Gaylord Perry, 1972-75: 155 starts, 1 relief, 147 decisions. Unfortunately that one relief appearance came in the year with 40 starts and 40 decisions.

Yeah, but he didn't get a decision in the relief appearance - he got a save. So he did earn the decision in all 40 starts.
   11. Dan Evensen Posted: November 19, 2012 at 08:43 AM (#4305795)
Many thanks to the volunteers at Retrosheet! I respect all of you immensely and wish I could do more to help.

Looks like a 1915 Skeetersoft replay with real life lineups actually may be in my future after all. :-D
   12. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 19, 2012 at 09:03 AM (#4305799)
One thing that changed in this release - much of the information from David Vincent's ejections database has been incorporated.

Also, Harvey Haddix's 1959 12-inning perfecto lost in the 13th now has pitch count data for Haddix (with the exception of Lew Burdette's inning-ending groundout in the 12th, which might have come on the first pitch - the count is updated but the pitches aren't). If my math and assumption on Burdette's PA are correct, Haddix threw 115 pitches, 80 for strikes.

-- MWE

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