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1. Sparkles Peterson Posted: February 17, 2007 at 01:00 PM (#2299294)Hallelujah.
"Where applicable" ...so nowhere?
I don't know whether the union has been the culprit or not, but it is the case that up to now MLB's enforcement of its existing elapsed-time-between-pitches limitations has been so -- hell, "sporadic" isn't the word, it's more like "nonexistent" -- that pleased as I am to see such legislation, I'll believe it when I see it empirically enacted.
Amen; it doesn't matter what the rules are if they aren't consistently enforced. Baseball has long had the rule that required pitchers to deliver a pitch within 20 seconds with no one on base. As Steve pointed out it has been enforced seldom, if it all. If the revised rule is enforced a positive side effect might be less air time for talking heads such as Tim McCarver.
and altering the way that defensive interference is called on steals will probably throw off all of Dan Sym's Zip projections. I bet that the steal scoring change has its roots in rotisserie baseball.
Defensive indifference, rather.
I think the impact of that change will be minimal, frankly. There were no more than one or two such questionable DI calls in the 70+ games I scored last year.
-- MWE
Really? I seem to recall some suspended games being made up from the point of the delay when tied in the later innings.
When's the last time that there was an "official" tie?
I had thought that some team exec (Bill Veeck?) put a 20-second timer on a scoreboard that he was going to use, but the league office told him not to use it. I can't find any reference to it, though. Does anyone else remember this?
I believe it was Charley Finley, but I can't find a reference either
This was before my time, but Rich Lindberg described it in his book "Stuck on the Sox". IIRC, Bill Veeck installed a "pitch-o-meter" (basically a big stopwatch) onto the Old Comiskey scoreboard and timed pitchers between pitches.
According to Lindberg, it wasn't the league office that told him to stop doing it, but umpires who didn't like to be told how to do their job. They tried to use it to time runners to first, but then just dropped the idea and removed the clock.
I think Bill James discussed Charlie Finley doing this in the 1986 Baseball Abstract, in the article on the Royals.
The time he gets the ball in his glove, I think.
The Pine Tar game is the only game I can think of.
And, to #13, like Alex Gordon's #1 Fan said, I can't think of any either, other than the Pine Tar game.
Wow, that never happens, as Mike notes. The vast majority of scorers already take the game situation into account. I suppose they were merely formalizing what scorers were doing.
Like scoring an error "when no one touched the ball", I just hope it will shut up some fans that sit near me.
The old rule on suspended games had them in cases of games stopped by darkness or power failure. They were also suspended if the visitors went ahead in the top half of an inning and the home team didn't get a chance to bat. Also, if a game was delayed by rain after 1 am, the game was suspended and completed the next day.
I seem to recall a Giants game that was suspended and made up the next day from the point of delay a couple of years ago. IIRC, it was late in the season and a meaningful game.
Replaying a game from the start has to be preferable to having all roster moves made between the suspension and resumption effectively happen mid-game, as under 4.12(d). What an ugly, messy, inelegant rule.
I would love to see this one enforced. Let's see if they do it. I mean, it would take, what, two games of the umpires calling balls on the Trachsel pitchers and strikes on the Nomar hitters to let the players know that they were serious about it? You'd might have a goofy first couple of games, but the players would get in line pretty quickly if the umps enforce the rules.
I seem to recall a Giants game that was suspended and made up the next day from the point of delay a couple of years ago. IIRC, it was late in the season and a meaningful game.
What was the cause of the suspension? Couldn't have been rain, and SF hasn't played any late-season meaningful games in a couple of years.
Sure you're not thinking of the Giants-Braves rainout game from 2002? That was a classic example of the rainout-replay rule. To the retrosheet.... mmm, that Giants-Braves example was cancelled in the 10th inning of a tie game. Late in season, meaningful game. Link
Replaying a game from the start has to be preferable to having all roster moves made between the suspension and resumption effectively happen mid-game, as under 4.12(d). What an ugly, messy, inelegant rule.
Bob T just pointed out that there were many 4.12 scenarios where, in adverse conditions, suspension and resumption at a later date is accepted. It was invoked numerous times in the Wrigley Field no-lights days with the same result: days or even months between the beginning and conclusion of a game. Roster changes happened, and the world didn't end. It was elegant in a sense that each team had 25 guys on the roster at all times.... nobody said it had to be the same 25 guys.
This rainout-replay rule was just an oddball loophole (only applies in rainouts of tie games!?) that has now been closed.
What was the rationale for replaying the games entirely, anyway? In other words, how did the rule originally come about?
IIRC, it wasn't the Giants that needed the game, it was their opponents.
I'm probably misremembering.
Cricket fans, what do they do in that sport when rain postpones a match?
re cricket. To an extent, it depends.
For a normal league one-day game, if the game never starts then it's called a draw and the teams share the points. There are also a number of scenarios that are affected by what stage of the match you're at when the rain (dust storms, fog, influx of flying beetles, whatever) starts. There's an extremely complicated equation called the Duckworth-Lewis method (that I'm not even going to attempt to explain) that decides how many runs a chasing team needs to make in a match that's shortened by rain.
For a more important one-day match (normally now only the final of a major competition), there will normally be a reserve day set aside to replay the game. I think they will usually restart the game from scratch.
For longer three, four or five day matches, rain is just another hazard and, while some time can be made up, there is no option of restarting or resuming at a later date. The draw can be an honourable result in cricket, not every game has to be won or lost.
I hope that mostly answers your question.
I love the box score for that game. Ron Guidry in CF, Don Mattingly at 2B.
It is deemed an official game if both sides have face a minimum of 25 overs.
In case of rain during the "first innings"( when the initial side is batting its 50 overs), given upon the length of interruption, the quota for both innings can be re-assesed.
In case of interruption during the second innings, or between innings, the target is re-assesed using the Suckworth-lewis method :), which is fairly complicated for most normal human beings. The only thing that can be said in its favour is that its better than the infamous "Richie Benaud rain rule" . I think the latter is best discussed with some South Africans in the audience.
It is fairly similar to how baseball handles I think. minimum of 5 innings for it to be official, and after that, the highest scorer at the time the game is stopped being the winner. While that is easy in baseball, it is much more complicated in cricket ( For example, imagine a rule where there is rain in the half inning before your side bats, and the system has to acocunt for whether the top of your order is coming up or the bottom of your order ). So if the game is tied, and the above example is true, the side with the top of the order intact is awarded the game.
It's a lot easier to tweak your staff to finish off a game and then play another nine innings later, rather than have to work on getting another 18 innings of the staff.
IIRC, Curt Schilling started a night game, but the stadium lights blew after about an inning. When they couldn't get them working again, they just picked up the game the next day where they'd left off. But Arizona decided to stick with its rotation, Randy came in, and got 15, 16, 17 strikeouts, something like that. True?
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