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Saturday, December 05, 2009

SF Chronicle: Sabean: Giants don’t plan on Molina or Posey as Opening Day catcher

The Giants’ brass met several times this week in preparation of the winter meetings, which begin Monday in Indianapolis, and the feeling was Posey’s not quite ready to play everyday in the big leagues, meaning the Giants will need a buffer, someone to catch regularly until Posey emerges for good.

General manager Brian Sabean said the front office had a “raging debate” over whether Posey would be the No. 1 catcher, adding, “We came to the overall conclusion it would be a tall order to ask him to do that. He just hasn’t played a lot.”
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Sabean offered contracts to Brad Penny (one year) and Juan Uribe (one year with an option) but received no positive feedback. “Talks have really gone nowhere,” the GM said. “I don’t know if we’ll revisit or not. We moved on to other ideas.”

As for Pablo Sandoval, who finished seventh in the MVP voting, the brass sees his 2010 home at third base, not first base. With Freddy Sanchez staying at second, that would seem to rule out any talk a trade for Dan Uggla or a free-agent third baseman such as Adrian Beltre.

It also would mean the Giants are focusing on finding a new first baseman. Nick Johnson, Mark DeRosa and Adam LaRoche are among the free-agent options.
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Free-agent catcher Yorvit Torrealba has been linked to the Giants, but he’d be ruled out if only because he, like Molina, is pursuing a multiyear deal. The Giants aren’t high on old-timers Ivan Rodriguez, Brad Ausmus and Jason Kendall, all past their prime.

Heading off possible snark: And if the GIANTS think you’re an old-timer….

NTNgod Posted: December 05, 2009 at 04:23 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Nathaniel Dawson Posted: December 05, 2009 at 04:40 AM (#3404061)
General manager Brian Sabean said the front office had a “raging debate” over whether Posey would be the No. 1 catcher, adding, “We came to the overall conclusion it would be a tall order to ask him to do that. He just hasn’t played a lot.”


That sounds like GM speak for "if we leave him in the minors for a few months, we can delay his service clock another year".
   2. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: December 05, 2009 at 04:43 AM (#3404062)
The headline almost makes it sound like the Giants aren't planning on fielding a catcher next season. I suppose that would be the next logical step for a team that seems bent on proving that it's possible to win without scoring any runs at all.
   3. Bhaakon Posted: December 05, 2009 at 04:43 AM (#3404063)
"That sounds like GM speak for "if we leave him in the minors for a few months, we can delay his service clock another year"."

If Sabean thought that way, he wouldn't have brought Posey up to sit on the bench last September. Nor would they be paying Lincecum a gagillion dollars as a super two. Unless they suddenly learned their lesson, but I doubt it.
   4. Lassus Posted: December 05, 2009 at 04:52 AM (#3404072)
Maybe Sabean read my teams in the other thread and is going to offer Wonder Woman a contract.
   5. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: December 05, 2009 at 04:53 AM (#3404073)
Dumb, Just play him, Sabean. For crissakes, man. The Mets are going to sign the rest of the catchers on the market, anyway.
   6. Ignatius J. Reilly Posted: December 05, 2009 at 04:54 AM (#3404076)
It's as if Sabean goes out of his way to trash his young players.
   7. Russlan will never be fond of Jason Bay Posted: December 05, 2009 at 04:59 AM (#3404080)
Posey has played less than two months above A-ball. It's entirely reasonable to assume to think he could use a little more seasoning.
   8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 05, 2009 at 05:12 AM (#3404086)
If Sabean thought that way, he wouldn't have brought Posey up to sit on the bench last September.

I don't think it counts as service time once the roster expands to 40-man.
   9. Howie Menckel Posted: December 05, 2009 at 05:24 AM (#3404094)
"I don't think it counts as service time once the roster expands to 40-man."

I believe that is correct.

It is true that he's never played a ton of games at catcher, so however convenient Super 2 looks here, in this case it matches best practices I think.

The REALLY interesting play would be Sandoval - a decent catcher - behind the plate for the first 2 months. You don't worry about wearing him down in September, because he almost never catches past Memorial Day. Meanwhile you have an Ishikawa instead of a Whiteside offensively, or you choose the matchups.

The Sandoval-Posey intersection is unique, and a chance to be creative.
   10. Bhaakon Posted: December 05, 2009 at 05:24 AM (#3404095)
September callups don't burn option years (at least not until the next season), but I'm pretty sure the service time counts for arbitration and free agency.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: December 05, 2009 at 08:20 AM (#3404145)
And, batting 8th, your opening day catcher, Steeeeeeeeve Trehhhhhh-durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
   12. Steve Sparks Flying Everywhere Posted: December 05, 2009 at 09:00 AM (#3404149)
This article says that once you add a guy to the 40 man roster his clock starts ticking and the time counts.

http://www.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20040830&content_id=842416&vkey=news_mlb&fext;=.jsp&c_id=null

I really want to know what GM said the 30 days don't really matter.
   13. Rich Rifkin Posted: December 05, 2009 at 09:06 AM (#3404152)
I've put my 40 quid on the Giants signing Miguel Olivo for 1 year, $2 million. He's roughly equal with Bengie Molina at the plate. He's got a better arm, is a better backstop, has sufficient experience but not too old, and he'll be cheap enough. (The question is whether he'll sign for one year.) Even though you might think his hitting last year was a fluke* and you would expect him to hit worse as he ages, he might have that Holliday-esque burst going over to the Weaker League.

*Olivo hit 23 home runs in 2009 after averaging 16/year for the 3 previous full seasons. Otherwise, his averages were normal for him, last season.
   14. VegasRobb Posted: December 05, 2009 at 03:35 PM (#3404209)
Is Garko no longer an option @ 1b?
   15. RJ in TO Posted: December 05, 2009 at 04:08 PM (#3404220)
The REALLY interesting play would be Sandoval - a decent catcher - behind the plate for the first 2 months.


Please let this happen.
   16. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: December 05, 2009 at 04:14 PM (#3404223)
Please let this happen.

No one cares about your fake baseball team!
   17. RJ in TO Posted: December 05, 2009 at 04:18 PM (#3404229)
No one cares about your fake baseball team!


That's not true! I care!
   18. Willie Mayspedes Posted: December 05, 2009 at 07:06 PM (#3404366)
Having him look good in spring training and become opening day catcher is different from announcing it to the world in early December and having the guy worry about living up to expectations.
   19. Steve Treder Posted: December 06, 2009 at 12:32 AM (#3404547)
And, batting 8th, your opening day catcher, Steeeeeeeeve Trehhhhhh-durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Hey, don't laugh. I could cleanly pick every pitch, even the nastiest slider in the dirt ... once it stopped rolling after bouncing to the backstop.
   20. Howie Menckel Posted: December 06, 2009 at 12:45 AM (#3404557)
lol

my "fake" baseball team had BMolina and Sandoval as my catchers last year, and Posey as one of my top farmhands.

But my observation didn't relate to that.
I think.

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