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Friday, June 13, 2014

Shakeup could be coming for Padres after slow start

“I’ve never seen such stupid ballplaying in my life,”
-Ray Kroc, on the Jack Murphy Stadium PA system, April 9, 1974

Ron Fowler, the team’s executive chairman, indicated in an e-mail to FOX Sports on Thursday night that changes could be imminent for his struggling franchise.

“At this time, we will not be discussing our situation with any parties outside of our senior management circle,” Fowler said.

“That said, we are terribly disappointed in the team’s offense this year and staying the course (waiting for a turnaround) is becoming less appealing as the ugly losses continue.”

Fowler’s comments followed a radio interview earlier Thursday in which team president Mike Dee told the Mighty 1090 radio station in San Diego that the club’s performance was “unacceptable.”

“Stay tuned, if it doesn’t turn around, we’ll have to make some changes,” Dee said. “...This thing has to be fixed and it will.”

Phil Plantier, the team’s hitting coach since 2012, would appear to be in the most immediate danger of losing his job.

However, a column by the San Diego Union-Tribune’s Kevin Acee last month strongly implied that ownership was growing impatient with Bud Black, who has been the team’s manager since 2007 and is under contract through ‘15…

Beyond a potential shakeup in the on-field staff, the Padres also are likely to trade off several veterans before the July 31 non-waiver deadline. Smith, right-hander Ian Kennedy, closer Huston Street and outfielder Chris Denorfia are among the candidates to be moved.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 13, 2014 at 12:10 PM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: bud black, chris denorfia, huston street, ian kennedy, padres, phil plantier, seth smith

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   1. Walt Davis Posted: June 13, 2014 at 06:28 PM (#4725490)
I'm not sure how to interpret this. If he'd said "we have complete faith in Bud Black and his staff" we'd know they're going to be fired in a week. But I don't know if we have precedent for "wow do we suck!" comments from upper management.

Maybe "we suck" = fire hitting coach and "complete faith" = fire manager in a week and "one of the smartest men in the game" = fire GM in a week.
   2. cardsfanboy Posted: June 13, 2014 at 06:37 PM (#4725505)
The Padres (and maybe the Indians) feels like one of those teams that consistently feel like they are on the verge of a breakthrough and becoming a powerhouse for a few years, but just never seem to break the barrier. Generally a few well regarded prospects/rookies, no true bone headed moves(although not spending money, makes that part easy) a division that nobody seems to want, etc.

In another thread we talked about the Mariners management failing to develop their talent, and it feels like this is another team that has that same problem
   3. dr. scott Posted: June 13, 2014 at 06:42 PM (#4725510)
Well they are certainly on track with those moves. Once Smith, Street and Denorfia are gone the team should really start playing better...

that being said, they have been to the world series more recently than the royals or the cubs
   4. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: June 13, 2014 at 06:45 PM (#4725516)
Or the Brewers, or the Reds, or the Pirates, or the Dodgers, or the Blue Jays, or the Orioles, or the Indians, or the Twins, or the Mariners, or the Athletics.
   5. Walt Davis Posted: June 13, 2014 at 06:45 PM (#4725519)
On trade chits ... Seth Smith is obviously tradeable but nobody's viewed him as a valuable piece before and nobody will now. They can hopefully get something that might turn into something someday. That's about it on offense unless they're willing to trade Maybin.

Pitching they do have some nice pieces. Kennedy's ERA is not good but the FIP is. And somehow, although he's been around forever, he's still under arb for 2015. He looks like a good get.

And Street and Benoit are both having very good seasons and relievers are always popular at the deadline. Street has a pretty reasonable $7M option and is still only 30. Wow, the Padres gave Benoit 2/$14 -- pretty sure that's unprecedented for a non-closer. Somebody will want him.

Could be a strange trade deadline. A ton of teams are in the hunt for the WC -- really every team in the AL except Tampa -- so at the moment we might have as few as 6 selling teams and at least 22 potential buyers. (SF and Milw are pretty safe) But then who wants to spend heavily just for a chance at a 1-game playoff? Obviously the next month will sort out a couple of teams but I'd guess it will still be pretty bunched up.
   6. Sonic Youk Posted: June 13, 2014 at 07:48 PM (#4725577)
“I'm Mike Dee and I get respect,” Dee said. “Your cash and your jewelry is what I expect.”
   7. alilisd Posted: June 13, 2014 at 08:04 PM (#4725591)
Whether it's drafting or developing, likely both, the Towers era was a killer for this organization. Yes, he did manage to pull off some trades and occasionally put a competitive team on the field, but here is what he produced from the first 10 rounds in 15 years worth of drafts: Sean Burroughs, Khalil Greene, and Tim Stauffer, plus a very little bit of X Nady.
   8. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 13, 2014 at 08:10 PM (#4725599)
“I'm Mike Dee and I get respect,” Dee said. “Your cash and your jewelry is what I expect.”


I'm down with Mike Dee and that ain't no baloney.
   9. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 14, 2014 at 01:09 AM (#4725729)
if you count a "slow" start as 1969 until today then they're working on a half-century
   10. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 14, 2014 at 01:17 AM (#4725732)
Yes, he did manage to pull off some trades and occasionally put a competitive team on the field, but here is what he produced from the first 10 rounds in 15 years worth of drafts: Sean Burroughs, Khalil Greene, and Tim Stauffer, plus a very little bit of X Nady.


While the record is indeed thin, his best selection in that time and draft frame was Chase Headley.

   11. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: June 14, 2014 at 01:56 AM (#4725735)
SSS but Kyle Blanks is mashing 344/463/563 in 41 PA in Oakland.

Two years ago teams would've been all over Chase Headley but he's got nagging injuries and has been stinking up the joint this year. I think the Padres missed their boat on getting really good value for him.
   12. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 14, 2014 at 02:04 AM (#4725736)
The Padres? Are they still in the league?
   13. zachtoma Posted: June 14, 2014 at 03:24 AM (#4725747)
On trade chits ... Seth Smith is obviously tradeable but nobody's viewed him as a valuable piece before and nobody will now. They can hopefully get something that might turn into something someday. That's about it on offense unless they're willing to trade Maybin.


I don't know, Smith is hitting .294/.393/.522 and in that ballpark, that's a 162 OPS+... he is 31, but someone might be willing to bet that his breakout is real.
   14. Jacob Posted: June 14, 2014 at 04:28 AM (#4725752)
Yes, he did manage to pull off some trades and occasionally put a competitive team on the field, but here is what he produced from the first 10 rounds in 15 years worth of drafts: Sean Burroughs, Khalil Greene, and Tim Stauffer, plus a very little bit of X Nady.


Jake Peavy?

Edit: He was a 15th rounder.
   15. Moeball Posted: June 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM (#4725783)
I can't remember where I saw this - it probably was a thread here some months ago - but I saw an article where someone looked at how much "value" (WAR?) franchises had received over their historical existences.

Obviously, long time major league teams that have been around a century or more had received more value than newbies that came along in the expansion era, but there still were some startling details that came out of this.

The Padres have received less value up the middle at the second base and shortstop positions than any other team, including franchises that came along after the Padres did that have had less time to accumulate value.

The sad thing about it is that the Padres have had a HOF second baseman (Roberto Alomar) and shortstop (Ozzie Smith) that started their careers in a Padres uniform but, obviously, weren't here long enough to really accumulate any value here.

The Alomar case is a familiar one for this franchise - he was here about 3 years and was just starting to get good when the front office realized "This kid's actually a really good player, which means he's going to start costing us a bunch of money - we'd better unload him ASAP!"

The Ozzie situation was a bit different but also involved money issues. Ozzie and his agent were in yearly squabbles with the Padres front office about Ozzie's pay, and the team was getting tired of it. Ozzie won his first Gold Glove in 1980 and made his first All Star team in 1981 despite his not hitting anything to speak of. Meanwhile, Whitey Herzog couldn't wait to get rid of Garry Templeton and the Padres were sold on Templeton's high batting averages (although rather empty in context - Templeton never walked and didn't have much power). So the two teams swapped "headaches".

Of course, as we know now, the Cardinals took the Padres to the cleaners on this trade. From 1982 on, the Cardinals got over 65 WAR from Ozzie, the Padres didn't even get 9 from Templeton. WAA is an even more stark contrast - the Cardinals got almost 40 WAA from Ozzie, the Padres got negative 8 from Templeton. He wasn't even a league average shortstop.

I think that part of the problem was that the Padres really didn't realize the impact of the parks on the players. Ozzie was well suited to the fast turf in St. Louis, as was Templeton, and neither one hit well in San Diego. At least with Ozzie you get the better glove and better baserunning, too. I wonder - had that trade never gone through and if Ozzie had stayed in San Diego - would he be in the HOF today? I don't think so. I don't think he would have hit enough to get the BBWAA to bite, even with all the GGs.

Sadly, when I think of shortstops for the Padres, they have had far too few Ozzie Smiths and far too many Enzo Hernandez'. That pretty much describes the history of this organization.

   16. alilisd Posted: June 14, 2014 at 12:00 PM (#4725801)
Thanks SoSH. I missed Headley. Initially when I had done the exercise I was differentiating between a Towers pick and an Alderson pick. Towers was really pushed out of drafting when Alderson came on board. But you're right Headley was a 2005 pick and did come during the Towers era.
   17. alilisd Posted: June 14, 2014 at 12:07 PM (#4725806)
Ah, Moe, how sad is it when the player with the second most games played at SS in franchise history is number eleven Enzo Hernandez?
   18. alilisd Posted: June 14, 2014 at 12:11 PM (#4725813)
Jacob, the Peavy pick is Towers crowning achievement in terms of drafting. Not only did he pick a great talent, but he knew he could get him late because other teams assumed he was going to college. I've heard Towers speak a couple of times and he tells some good stories about Peavy.
   19. valuearbitrageur Posted: June 14, 2014 at 01:01 PM (#4725840)
Ian Kennedy is proof the way back for Padres is more Kevin Towers trades.
   20. Matt Welch Posted: June 15, 2014 at 04:54 PM (#4726723)
plus a very little bit of X Nady.

I am flummergibbered to learn that Nady played a month for this team THIS YEAR.
   21. JE (Jason) Posted: June 15, 2014 at 05:17 PM (#4726732)
But then who wants to spend heavily just for a chance at a 1-game playoff?

Dayton Moore is holding on line 3.
   22. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: June 15, 2014 at 06:20 PM (#4726769)
strongly implied that ownership was growing impatient with Bud Black, who has been the team’s manager since 2007 and is under contract through ‘15…


Oh to be Bud Black.

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