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Sunday, October 16, 2011

Shea: Oakland A’s have the right location, wrong stadium

And good luck to ya with that Continental League of Professional Baseball Clubs idea, Shea!

The infrastructure is in place, and BART trains are running. It’s not downtown or bayside, but it’s easier to enter and exit than other proposed Oakland sites. Tearing down and rebuilding a baseball park in the same location is nothing new. It was done by the Cardinals, Phillies, Reds, Braves, White Sox, Yankees and Mets.

...The minute the football teams put their signatures to a stadium kumbaya, the Selig committee could recommend the Coliseum site for the A’s. A cozy baseball-only park on the premises would re-energize the franchise, boost attendance and help make the A’s more competitive.

I passed this by Lew Wolff, the A’s managing general partner. Not surprisingly, he wasn’t keen on the idea, saying he has looked into Oakland sites and wouldn’t be able to privately finance a park as he could in San Jose. His focus remains San Jose or bust, even if Selig hasn’t budged on dismissing the Giants’ territorial rights to the area.

“It’s not relative to our situation,” Wolff said of a new Coliseum home, adding that Selig’s committee hasn’t suggested such an idea. “I can understand two football teams getting together in the same area. For us, there’s nothing new, and no one has presented another plan other than what we have in place.”

Repoz Posted: October 16, 2011 at 01:16 PM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. A triple short of the cycle Posted: October 16, 2011 at 01:52 PM (#3965176)
It's true the current site could work for a new stadium. It's in a shitty neighborhood though. The real issue is that the good people of Oakland and Alameda County are not about to pay for Wolff's stadium.
   2. jobu Posted: October 16, 2011 at 06:19 PM (#3965265)
“It’s not relative to our situation,” Wolff said of a new Coliseum home


Everything's "relative," Lew.
   3. Tripon Posted: October 16, 2011 at 07:26 PM (#3965286)
It's true the current site could work for a new stadium. It's in a shitty neighborhood though. The real issue is that the good people of Oakland and Alameda County are not about to pay for Wolff's stadium.


A lot of public places are in shitty areas, but as the article notes, you have the BART to get in and out of the place.
   4. bobm Posted: October 16, 2011 at 09:08 PM (#3965312)
This blogger (http://newballpark.org/2011/10/16/shea-asks-if-the-as-could-stay-at-the-coliseum-if-the-raiders-leave/) seems fairly doubtful:


Sometimes I wonder if, given the lack of juicy topics, some of the local media default to writing about the A’s stadium situation. It’s not sexy, and it’s easy to write about without getting into any real depth. That’s exactly what Chronicle baseball writer John Shea did when opining about a new Coliseum ballpark.

Shea thinks that the possibility of a joint 49ers-Raiders stadium in Santa Clara should provide an opening for the A’s to stay there. The land is already there and paid for, as is BART and a ton of parking. Sounds simple enough, right?

Should the Raiders decide that they want to stay in Santa Clara long term, then yes, this could work out just fine and dandy. Except for a few minor details. Allow me to enumerate.

1.The Raiders may only view Santa Clara as a temporary thing (10 years), with an eye towards building somewhere else in the future. The prime location would be the Coliseum, which as reported previously, has plans on the drawing board for a new football stadium and land purchased to support it.

2.MLB wants this thing wrapped up by 2015. They’ve said so to both Oakland and San Jose officials. By waiting out the Raiders’ decision making process, they’re guaranteeing that a new ballpark for the A’s couldn’t open until 2017 or 2018 at the earliest. ...

6.Wolff responds in the article to Shea’s idea by saying that he couldn’t privately finance it at the Coliseum site. And he’s right. A “rebuilt” Coliseum is out of the question since MLB would never go for it. And investing $450 million at the Coliseum is impossible for some time to come, given the state of stadium lending and the fact that it’s a “depressed area“.

The only thing that could drive this is if MLB outright rejected the A’s efforts to gain territorial rights in Santa Clara County. ...

Sounds great until you try to figure out who will pay for the $450 million ballpark and carry the $100 million in remaining debt for the demolished Coliseum. Got any ideas? Realistic ones?
   5. shoewizard Posted: October 16, 2011 at 11:29 PM (#3965353)
A lot of public places are in shitty areas, but as the article notes, you have the BART to get in and out of the place.


And thanks to the ease of getting in and out of the place, people from all over the bay area are flocking to Oakland see the A's night after night.
   6. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: October 16, 2011 at 11:41 PM (#3965365)
Another problem: This team might market itself more poorly than any other team.
   7. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: October 16, 2011 at 11:45 PM (#3965370)
They don't need a new stadium; just tear down Mt. Davis.
   8. Magnum RA Posted: October 17, 2011 at 02:15 AM (#3965701)
Mr. Wolff, take off those pants. Er, I mean, tear down that stadium.
   9. Boileryard Posted: October 17, 2011 at 03:14 AM (#3965812)
1.The Raiders may only view Santa Clara as a temporary thing (10 years), with an eye towards building somewhere else in the future. The prime location would be the Coliseum, which as reported previously, has plans on the drawing board for a new football stadium and land purchased to support it.

If the A's move out of the Coliseum, and if the Coliseum is a good location for the Raiders, couldn't they simply build a "new" football stadium around Mount Davis? Mount Davis, while an eyesore from a baseball perspective, seems to be reasonably current in football terms. Even allowing for the fact that this would be taking place several years from now, I can't imagine Mount Davis being that out-of-date for football by then.
   10. Tripon Posted: October 17, 2011 at 03:39 AM (#3965851)
Another problem: This team might market itself more poorly than any other team.


What are you talking about, they just had a movie made about them! And they didn't have to pay for it! Nobody could buy that publicity!

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