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Thursday, June 21, 2012

Sherman: Lack of extra-base hits bad sign for A-Rod

Scroll down for another of Kevin “I do feel a good streak is coming” Long’s failures…

Melky’s turned the corner

On Tuesday, Melky Cabrera overtook Ryan Braun to gain third place in voting among outfielders for the NL All-Star team and then overtook Willie Mays to become the fastest San Francisco Giant to 100 hits in a season. He needed 291 at-bats. Mays needed 295 in 1958.

He went into his game last night against the Angels with 101 hits and an MLB-best 302 — 10 more than anyone else — since the beginning of last season. Cabrera was hitting .369 this year with a .945 OPS, moving Long to say, “He’s a hell of a player. He has totally gotten committed to his career. He doesn’t drink. He doesn’t take anything for granted any more. His personal trainer is with him all the time. When you go all in and have talent, this is what happens — and it is evident he has the talent.”

Long said it was clear Cabrera had talent before he was traded to Atlanta, but was “pudgy” and not as diligent about his career.

“If Melky committed himself to the Yankees as he does now, he would still be a Yankee,” he said. “And he would say the same thing. He made himself tradeable then.”

Repoz Posted: June 21, 2012 at 09:15 AM | 37 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: June 21, 2012 at 09:56 AM (#4162637)
the fastest San Francisco Giant to 100 hits in a season. He needed 291 at-bats.


That didn't seem right, but he meant 291 plate appearances. Bonds got to 100 walks in 255 PA in 2004.
   2. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM (#4162684)
ARod has clearly lost some power. Mike Francesa's comments on this have been hilarious. "ARod has 10 home runs! Do you know who also has 10 home runs? Albert Pujols!"

Um, Mike? Pujols is having a bad year (108 OPS+ for a 1B, which is his high water mark for the season), the worst year of his career, and has been taking a beating from critics who say the contract won't be worth it.

Francesa also named someone else who is also having a bad year, but his name escapes me.

When a caller suggested that Granderson has more power right now, Francesa's response was that Granderson's home run power "is all because he is a LHB in Yankee stadium."

Eh? Even if true, so what? Do home runs not count in Yankee Stadium? Has Granderson not been hitting more of them than ARod?



   3. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: June 21, 2012 at 11:23 AM (#4162728)
When a caller suggested that Granderson has more power right now, Francesa's response was that Granderson's home run power "is all because he is a LHB in Yankee stadium."

Eh? Even if true, so what? Do home runs not count in Yankee Stadium? Has Granderson not been hitting more of them than ARod?


Hopefully he would then concede that A-Rod's homer yesterday didn't really count since it looked like a jammed pop-up off the bat.
   4. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: June 21, 2012 at 11:33 AM (#4162739)
Long said it was clear Cabrera had talent before he was traded to Atlanta, but was “pudgy” and not as diligent about his career.

“If Melky committed himself to the Yankees as he does now, he would still be a Yankee,” he said. “And he would say the same thing. He made himself tradeable then.”
Wasn't this exactly the rap on Melky? I seem to remember many Braves fans claiming he was going to eat himself out of MLB.
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: June 21, 2012 at 11:38 AM (#4162742)
I seem to remember many Braves fans claiming he was going to eat himself out of MLB.


I seem to remember some Braves fans believed he already had.

   6. Gonna break my Rusty Kuntz and run . . . Arbitol Posted: June 21, 2012 at 11:59 AM (#4162757)
But is he better than Lastings Milledge?
   7. NJ in NY Posted: June 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4162771)
I may be off, but it certainly feels like the early to mid aughts Yankee farm system has produced a lot of ML value: Melky, Cano, Robertson, Kennedy, Jackson, and Wang.
   8. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: June 21, 2012 at 12:28 PM (#4162773)
Melky's season is really fun, in part in that he's exactly duplicating last season, only with ~60 points of BA added. Right now he's improved on last year by 58 points of BA, 60 points of OBP, and 62 points of SLG. Of course we often see a guy whose entire improvement or decline can be shown to be a function of a change in his batting average, but it's rare for the change to be so similar over two other basic slash stats. Usually one will be up 40 points, while the other will be up 47 points or something like that. The only sad thing is that Melky's BABIP is up 72 points. If it were up 60 points it'd be perfect.
   9. Darren Posted: June 21, 2012 at 12:33 PM (#4162778)
I don't think Long is too out of line here, but I do think he really focused too much on Melky's previous shortcomings. Instead of it sounding like he was happy/impressed he sounds like he's trying to deflect blame.

Ray, you really need to turn off WFAN. It's not making you happy. :)
   10. Cowboy Popup Posted: June 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM (#4162781)
Melky is awesome to watch when he is hitting, I'm really glad he got his crap together. I can understand his commitment issues. He came up at 20 and was a full time player and something of a fan favorite at 21. I can see how that could distract a guy when he had previously been an unheralded prospect. It was maddening to watch him flat line for five years, but it is nice to see him get it together.

I may be off, but it certainly feels like the early to mid aughts Yankee farm system has produced a lot of ML value: Melky, Cano, Robertson, Kennedy, Jackson, and Wang.

I can't tell if it is hilarious or sad that "4 HRs in 4 & 1/3 IP" Hughes isn't on that list. I'd add Gardner to the list though. That's a pretty good list with some high level talent, although probably not as deep as at least a few others from that span.
   11. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:03 PM (#4162793)
He doesn’t drink.
Did Long just out Melky as a problem drinker?
   12. Dave Spiwak Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:05 PM (#4162795)
Ray, you really need to turn off WFAN. It's not making you happy. :)

Does anyone listen to WFAN because it makes them happy? I always assumed it was something fiery New Yorkers did to get their blood boiling...
   13. Cowboy Popup Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4162798)
Did Long just out Melky as a problem drinker?

Not really outing him, Melky was known for getting more than his fair share of partying in during his time with the Yanks.
   14. PreservedFish Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4162802)
Ray, you really need to turn off WFAN. It's not making you happy. :)


I know, right? Repoz too. I don't understand the compulsion. It's so terrible. And it's 50% ads.
   15. PreservedFish Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:17 PM (#4162809)
I hadn't really scrutinized Melky's stats, but I see now that his surge has coincided with a drop in BB and a rise in Ks. Maybe he's that rare batter that really did need to be more aggressive.
   16. YR Misses Reggie Bars Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:21 PM (#4162814)
Not really outing him, Melky was known for getting more than his fair share of partying in during his time with the Yanks.


Yeah, I remember reading that one of the Yankees' motivations for trading Melky was that Robinson Cano was his primary wingman on their after-game drinking excursions and the team felt it was having a negative impact on Cano's effort.
   17. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4162821)
I seem to remember many Braves fans claiming he was going to eat himself out of MLB.


Who was it around here who called him "a terrible player and a detestable fatass"?
   18. PreservedFish Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4162829)
Well, he was the subject of that bet. I don't remember who made it. But the loser made one of BTF's all-time famous bad predictions.
   19. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:39 PM (#4162830)
Well, he was the subject of that bet. I don't remember who made it. But the loser made one of BTF's all-time famous bad predictions.
I made it! I was on the winning side, incidentally. As for "a terrible player and a detestable fatass," that sure sounds like Sam H, but I couldn't say for sure.
   20. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:39 PM (#4162834)
   21. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:43 PM (#4162837)
4. flournoy Posted: October 19, 2010 at 06:02 PM (#3668660)
Melky is a terrible player and a detestable fatass.


Have to admit, I'm shocked it's not Sam.
   22. NJ in NY Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:43 PM (#4162838)
Yeah, I remember reading that one of the Yankees' motivations for trading Melky was that Robinson Cano was his primary wingman on their after-game drinking excursions and the team felt it was having a negative impact on Cano's effort.

I've probably said this a thousand times already...and maybe I just saw them at a better point in their careers or whatever...but in Summer '07 the first 3 guys to the ballpark and working out every single day were A-Rod, Cano and Melky. Every single time. So, maybe they slacked off after that or maybe they weren't working as hard as they appeared to be (and Melky did end up getting visibly fat later on) but because of that I've always been hesitant to believe things were as bad as they were made out to be in the papers.
   23. PreservedFish Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:48 PM (#4162842)
RB, you come off well in that thread:

Besides the fact that he could, of course, work his way back into CF playing shape, when a guy is going bad fans of the team he plays for are easily prone to writing him off as done owing to an "obvious" physical factor... No one is as bad as they look when going bad.


Also, that thread has about 25 different fat jokes. 4 of the first 5 comments include fat jokes. The 5th uses his nickname "Leche," which also sounds like a fat joke.
   24. Dave Spiwak Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:49 PM (#4162843)
in Summer '07 the first 3 guys to the ballpark and working out every single day were A-Rod, Cano and Melky.

Because they were still up from partying the night before?
   25. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:51 PM (#4162845)
RB, you come off well in that thread:
You post in enough threads, it is bound to happen someday.
   26. Randy Jones Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:57 PM (#4162853)
The 5th uses his nickname "Leche," which also sounds like a fat joke.


Leche just means milk.
   27. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:59 PM (#4162856)
Also, that thread has about 25 different fat jokes. 4 of the first 5 comments include fat jokes. The 5th uses his nickname "Leche," which also sounds like a fat joke.

I like to think that on that day, when the Melk Man's career hit rock bottom, it was reading that thread that jolted him out of complacency and restored hs work ethic.
   28. jwb Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:26 PM (#4162875)
Since admitting to using steroids in spring 2009, Rodriguez has failed to revive the sustained genius of his prime


Did his admission occur before or after his hip surgery?

   29. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: June 21, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4162904)
Does anyone listen to WFAN because it makes them happy?

Well, Steve Somers doesn't make me angry, just incredibly melancholy.
   30. Walt Davis Posted: June 21, 2012 at 06:35 PM (#4163031)
Since admitting to using steroids in spring 2009, Rodriguez has failed to revive the sustained genius of his prime

Let that be a lesson to all you others out there thinking about admitting steroid use!
   31. Randy Jones Posted: June 21, 2012 at 06:45 PM (#4163033)
Since admitting to using steroids in spring 2009, Rodriguez has failed to revive the sustained genius of his prime


Of course, if A-Rod had maintained his age 20-32 numbers from ages 33-36, then that would obviously be evidence of steroid use.
   32. The District Attorney Posted: June 21, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4163075)
Steve Somers doesn't make me angry, just incredibly melancholy.
What, you're not with the schmoozing already?
   33. Gonna break my Rusty Kuntz and run . . . Arbitol Posted: June 21, 2012 at 08:38 PM (#4163081)

I've probably said this a thousand times already...and maybe I just saw them at a better point in their careers or whatever...but in Summer '07 the first 3 guys to the ballpark and working out every single day were A-Rod, Cano and Melky. Every single time. So, maybe they slacked off after that or maybe they weren't working as hard as they appeared to be (and Melky did end up getting visibly fat later on) but because of that I've always been hesitant to believe things were as bad as they were made out to be in the papers


When you're 24, you can do that after getting bombed the night before.
   34. flournoy Posted: June 21, 2012 at 08:56 PM (#4163097)
Have to admit, I'm shocked it's not Sam.


Take that back!
   35. Brian White Posted: June 21, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4163117)
So, yeah, I whiffed on the Melky prediction. Well, good for Melky to figure it out and become a productive player.

During Melky's year in Atlanta, it really looked like he didn't care to be a major league player. It's one thing for a player to not always in The Best Shape of His Life™; it's another to show up thirty pounds overweight and then play defense like you down a fifth of vodka before every game. He was to enter the big money portion of his career; his year in Atlanta was his next to last before free agency, and if a bigger arbitration award and eventual bigger payday doesn't motivate a player to at least not pack on a ton of pounds, I didn't think Melky would ever find the motivation to be a good player. I was wrong, so good for Melky.

Us Atlanta fans still reserve the right to hate him, since in his one year there, he really did not give a quarter of a ####. And not in the 'he looks like he doesn't care, but he's still productive and plays well' sense, like J.D. Drew or some such. He couldn't bother to keep in shape, and that led to awful on-field performance.
   36. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 21, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4163126)
I know, right? Repoz too. I don't understand the compulsion. It's so terrible. And it's 50% ads.


I don't actually listen to WFAN; I listen to Francesa's show only, and on YES, not on the radio. I'll have it on in the background while I'm doing other things. And I don't sit through commercials; I fastforward through them on my DVR.
   37. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: June 21, 2012 at 10:41 PM (#4163214)
What, you're not with the schmoozing already?


We're talking about the same shtick with the same altecockers calling in to reminisce about how grand baseball was when it wasn't about the money....

OTOH, this is kind of funny.

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