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Tuesday, October 07, 2008
2. Teixeira has a mixed reputation. He has much in common with A-Rod. He is diligent about staying in shape year-round, is durable and works hard on all facets of his game. But his detractors - and there are more than a few - say that, like A-Rod, Teixeira is an accumulator who feasts on bad pitching, does his best work when his team is way ahead or behind, and is a corporation unto himself who does not mesh seamlessly with the clubhouse culture. Essentially the overall numbers are better than the total package.
“The statistics will be there, but this is not a player who will make anyone else on the team better,” said a former teammate of Teixeira’s. “The numbers indicate an elite player, but if you watch him every day you will realize he is a very good player, not elite.”
Thanks to Dave Sells Everything.
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Posted: October 07, 2008 at 03:25 PM | 142 comment(s)
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Temple, are you saying you think the RedSox are going to sign CC? I don't see it. They have 4 starters locked up. Masterson/Buchholtz/Bowdon and maybe shilling for the 5th spot.
Why the mocking of Wells? According to B-R, he's only 225 lbs, which is pretty reasonable for a guy who's 6'4".
You know, Wells takes a lot of ####, but credit where credit is due. The man proved beyond any doubt that fat, drunk, and stupid is not only a way to go through life, but you can make nearly $60 million dollars doing so.
that makes me wonder where/when B-R gets its height/weight entires. Wells wasn't THAT tubby in the early- and mid-90s, IIRC. By the time he joined the Yankees he was easily 250, and he never went back, not even when he got gout.
Height and weight listings for athletes are almost always inaccurate. The heights are usually an inch or two high and the weights are their weights at some point when they were rookies or in the minors and have little bearing on their actual current weight.
I'm guessing media guides, where they basically ask a player "So, how much you weigh?" and then print the response, no matter how ludicrous.
Also, Wells was already on the portly side when he was still with the Jays, although it wasn't until later that he really started to indulge his passionate love for ham and ballooned up to the David Wells we all remember.
Apparently, I wasn't obvious enough...
Trust me, I've watched Wells for years. He's 225 lbs in roughly the same way that I'm 9 feet tall.
I figured you were being facetious, I didn't mean my comment to look like a corrective.
I don't agree. I think CC is going to go for an obscene amount of money. Sure the Red Sox would love to have him if he didn't cost an arm and a leg, but they aren't going to offer him $200 million dollars, and I think its going to take more than $200 million to sign him.
Well, there's the rub, eh?
Not to the best of my knowledge. It's just one of those wonderful coincidences that the Internet brings.
Of course, but I think Teixeira and Sabathia will be in the same financial ballpark. Teixeira might get more years and Sabathia might get a higher AAV, but I suspect the total dollars will be close.
I'm guessing media guides, where they basically ask a player "So, how much you weigh?" and then print the response, no matter how ludicrous.
My favorite instance of this was a Blackhawks' media guide listing of Theo Fleury at about six-feet tall (IIRC), when in reality he was barely taller than me (and I think that's when I was a freshman in high school).
As for the rotation, why not try going to a 6-man rotation? You know the Sox want to. They've been giving guys fake injury stints for the last two years just to preserve them for the post-season.
You can have:
Lester
Sabathia
Beckett
Matsuzaka
Wakefield
Bowden/Buchholz
(I think Masterson will be in the pen)
Prince's old man was encased, walrus-like, by jiggling rolls of fat.
Balboni looked like he belonged in a sauce-stained guinea tee, slapping his wife around on the Lifetime channel.
Meyer was just a big flabby guy who appeared to be composed primarily of cellulite.
Sid Fernandez "commonly took to the mound wearing a butter-splattered lobster bib."
I don't see it. The Yankees are opening up a new stadium, have a glaring hole in the rotation, and are coming off their first season in which they didn't make the playoffs in over a decade. They aren't going to be outbid. The only way CC doesn't wind up a Yankee is if he makes up his mind that he prefers to play in LA, irrespective of the cash.
The Daisuke situation is apples to oranges. It was a blind bidding process and if the negotiations broke down, they could return him and recoup the posting fee. With Sabathia, it's going to take 6-8 years and upwards of $200 million... and the negotiations keep going until someone chickens out. Do you seriously believe the Yankees will put up their hands and say "No way, it's too much money!"? Because it's not going to happen.
Benji Molina thanks you for your short memory.
And Cecil Fielder.
And Morganna.
Or he could decide he just doesnt want to have to be the savior of the Yankees, with all the ######## that entails.
Brad Nelson is an up and coming fat guy in the majors. If the Brewers give him significant playing time next year I think he becomes a fan favorite. He looks like one of those guys who work at the Agway, sitting around and drinking soda until a customer backs their truck around behind the store and he has to start loading 100-pound bags of dirt.
Pectorals Obviously Reverberating Kinetically? (PORK) Flabby Abdominals Taking A Severe Shaking? (FATASS)
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John
As long as A-Rod is still around, he will take all that flak.
Are you sure about that? Sabathia will be coming in with incredibly high expectations, based on his half-season in Milwaukee, and likely a contract nearly as big as the one possessed by A-Rod. Even if he performs like his Cy Young year in 2007, there will be those who will view him as a disappointment.
It's New York. If the Yankees don't win, there's enough blame for everyone.
Nah. Unless A-Rod is duplicating his 2007 season, both in production and clutchiness, he'll always be the primary lightning rod. That goes double for any playoffs the Yankees may find themselves in. Plus C.C. comes off as much more likable than A-Rod... unless he tanks Barry Zito-style, he'll be fine.
You may be right but, for Sabathia's sake, I hope that he performs better in the playoffs for the Yankees than he did for Cleveland and Milwaukee - a 7.92 playoff era will probably lead to him getting the Kenny Rogers/Jeff Weaver treatment.
At some point before this season, the Yankees tried to change Hughes's motion to a more over the top arm angle than the one he had previously used(it was closer to a 3/4 arm angle). After he came back from injury this year he was back to using his old motion and looked much, much better.
Really? I mean, they definitely sucked pretty hard this year, but even when they sucked, they had moments where you could see how good they could be. To me, both guys seem to have some pretty obviously amazing stuff sometimes, they just liberally mix in some really terrible, hittable stuff with poor command. That they at least possess the ability to throw great pitches seems pretty clear, it's their consistency and execution that seem off. Maybe that's what you're talking about, but to me that seems qualitatively different than a guy who's struggling and just throwing slop.
Also, I'm with #136 on Hughes (and I assume Buchholz, I didn't see him pitch much this season). When you look at something like Hughes' 4/3 or 9/24 starts, you can clearly see what merited his status. The same is true (again, I'm guessing from stats here) of something like Buchholz' 4/26 game. The talent is clearly there, it's putting it to use.
The fastball is never going to wow, it seems. Whatever 90-95 or whatever you want to say he used to have seems long gone. He consistently dips to 89-91 after about the 3rd inning, but for whatever reason, I guess it's "sneaky fast", batters still seem to be late on it. In the early going he will give you 90-93. That's ok. The curveball is really exciting though, a ton of break and movement on that pitch. The problem in the early going was the piss poor fastball command and since his change is still very much a work in progress that left him with just curveballs to go with. However, he picked up a cutter (Which Gameday calls a slider) on his rehab stint and, those it was only two starts in his return, it looked really, really, really good. Maybe he no longer projects as an ace, but I don't have much difficulty seeing him as a #2.
I'm not saying H&B are definitely going to evolve into those guys, but you have to give them credit as top prospects for reaching the Majors and pitching at that level.
And then, what's the duration of their careers? Mo Vaughn probably got too fat, but he did get 600 AB at the age of 32. Fielder's quite a ways from 32.
Other guys mentioned didn't really eat themselves out of the league so much as they weren't that good to begin with. Doughy Meyer? He was never good. There's some guys like Calvin Pickering, but again, I'm not so sure that he was out of baseball due to his weight.
Pancake Flaps.
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