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Friday, December 18, 2009

Shocker: Mariners trading Carlos Silva for Milton Bradley

You got the Silva… you got the gelt…

The Seattle Mariners have found a way to get rid of one of their last lingering problems. According to major-league sources, the club is on the verge of trading Carlos Silva, who still has two years remaining on the four-year, $48 million contract given him by former general manager Bill Bavasi before the 2008 season, to the Cubs in exchange for outfielder Milton Bradley.

The District Attorney Posted: December 18, 2009 at 06:43 PM | 205 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Nasty Nate Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:23 PM (#3416948)
Seattle is really going for it. Nice.
   2. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:25 PM (#3416949)
Crap. The only thing the Angels can hope for is that Bradley tears that clubhouse apart.
   3. Spahn Insane Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:26 PM (#3416951)
Jim Hendry managed to out-stupid Bill Bavasi.

He is unserious about the job he holds.
   4. Textbook Editor Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:26 PM (#3416952)
Wait. Does Bradley DH or play OF? If the latter, doesn't this mean Griffey plays the OF everyday?
   5. Textbook Editor Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:26 PM (#3416953)
Seattle Fan: Great trade! Who'd we get?
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:27 PM (#3416955)

Wait. Does Bradley DH or play OF? If the latter, doesn't this mean Griffey plays the OF everyday?


I would assume he splits time between the two with Griff and Michael Saunders.
   7. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:30 PM (#3416960)
Is this even legal?
   8. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:30 PM (#3416961)
I approve of trades that improve the Angel's competition.
   9. Tripon Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:32 PM (#3416963)
Sam Hutchenson. The Angels still wouldn't trade for Derek Lowe.
   10. rr Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:33 PM (#3416964)
Zduirencik is really shrewd.
   11. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:34 PM (#3416966)
Sure they won't. Wait and see.
   12. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:34 PM (#3416968)
Zduirencik is really shrewd.


Seriously, I can't think of a better opening act in a general manager's career.
   13. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:35 PM (#3416969)
I'm genuinely interested to see the result of this poll. Judging by the early comments, I'd say it's 55-45 in favor. (Make that 75-25).

It's 91-9 now.
   14. Spahn Insane Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:35 PM (#3416970)
Zduirencik is really shrewd.

Agreed, but the sine qua non of this particular deal is Jim Hendry's being really stupid.
   15. VoodooR Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:37 PM (#3416972)
So the Cubs trade a good, yet moody, player with a big contract for a terrible player with a bad contract??
   16. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:38 PM (#3416974)
It was either this, or fire the manager. And I'm not sure Hendry has the authority to fire the manager.
   17. Spahn Insane Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:39 PM (#3416975)
So the Cubs trade a good, yet moody, player with a big contract for a terrible player with an even worse, even without taking the abilities of the respective players into account <strike>bad </strike>contract??

FTFY.
   18. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:40 PM (#3416978)
Unless money changed hands the Cubs added payroll. Just cut Bradley if its that much of an issue.
   19. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:40 PM (#3416979)
The last thing Milton Bradley needs is access to more and stronger coffee.
   20. Steve Phillips' Hot Cougar (DrStankus) Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:41 PM (#3416981)
Damn you Brian Sabean.
   21. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:41 PM (#3416982)
So the Cubs trade a good, yet moody, player with a big contract for a terrible player with a bad contract??

What would you have them do? The Cubs simply must trade Bradley and, yet, they have made him virtually untradeable.

I'm not thrilled with them getting someone else's problem, but they really don't have a whole lot of great options here, unless they find that they can dump Silva on another team (and eat salary) easier than they could do with Bradley.
   22. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:43 PM (#3416984)
The last thing Milton Bradley needs is access to more and stronger coffee.

RDF
   23. Spahn Insane Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:43 PM (#3416985)
I'm not thrilled with them getting someone else's problem, but they really don't have a whole lot of great options here, unless they find that they can dump Silva on another team (and eat salary) easier than they could do with Bradley.

Cutting Bradley would've been cheaper, and wouldn't've saddled them with an awful player requiring either creative disposal or outright release.

EDIT: Thus, this trade makes no sense even from a PR perspective; you cut Bradley, you at least don't replace him with a soon-to-be-equally-vilified (for different reasons) player, and everyone eventually forgets about the money eaten (well, it'll still hamstring the budget to the tune of $21MM over 2 years, but that was inevitable anyway). Now, we get to experience fear and loathing over what the hell to do with Carlos Silva.

Unless money changed hands the Cubs added payroll. Just cut Bradley if its that much of an issue.

As I said in another thread, Hendry is more interested in demonstrating just how much he dislikes Milton Bradley than he is in improving the Cubs, either in terms of financial or on-field standing.
   24. rr Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:44 PM (#3416987)
Just cut Bradley if its that much of an issue.



This was my thought. I think if I were the Cubs I would have preferred just to release Bradley and eat his contract rather than adding Carlos Silva, assuming they "had to get Bradley off the team."

As has been noted here many times, Bradley's having to play the field was a problem as well as his emotional problems. A relatively low-key place like Seattle where he can DH would seem to be the best shot to get some on-field value from him.
   25. Levi Stahl Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:44 PM (#3416988)
Wow. I'm trying to imagine how much fun this offseason has been for Seattle fans. So many moves, and all exciting, even stunning.

I'm not looking forward to watching Silva this year. Please, can someone at least tell me he works quickly?
   26. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:46 PM (#3416991)
primey to VLMJ
   27. Santanaland Diaries Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:48 PM (#3416992)
Please, can someone at least tell me he works quickly?


I think he still works quickly; he certainly worked at a crazy fast pace with the Twins. Trouble is, he gives up so many hits that the innings still drag on forever.
   28. DKDC Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:48 PM (#3416994)
This is an excellent trade from the Mariners perspective, although I’d probably like it a little less if I was a Mariners fan and I had to actually root for Bradley.

Maybe the Bedard trade was a win-win trade after all, if that’s what got Bavasi fired.
   29. Scott Kazmir's breaking balls Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:48 PM (#3416995)
Since nobody has addressed this yet, I'll ask the question. What do the Cubs do with Silva? Mop-up man, or do they risk giving him the start every 5th day?
   30. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:48 PM (#3416996)
I'll try to take the Devil's Advocate position here, and think of things from Hendry's position.

(1) The Cubs couldn't keep Milton Bradley for 2010. Blame whomever you wish for the current situation, but there was no way that he was ever wearing a Cubs uniform again.

(2) Bradley had zero, or possibly negative, trade value. Hendry went to the winter meetings with the express goal of getting something back for Bradley (either talent or salary relief or both), and failed.

If you assume that (1) and (2) are true, then that leaves Hendry with the decision of either releasing Bradley or accepting this deal. He might have made the wrong decision, but maybe he thinks Silva is worth a flyer. I don't know, it's hard to defend this from the Cubs' perspective.

From the Mariners' perspective, they're taking on a sizable commitment in Bradley, more than I'd want my team to take on. It's great from a talent perspective, but this could blow up in their faces. This could easily end up being a lose-lose trade.
   31. Spahn Insane Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:49 PM (#3416997)
I'm not looking forward to watching Silva this year. Please, can someone at least tell me he works quickly?

Well, I don't figure a start lasting two thirds of an inning should take that long, even if he works like Steve Trachsel.

Levi, you know anybody who wants to buy my seats?
   32. Spahn Insane Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:52 PM (#3416999)
I'm not looking forward to watching Silva this year.

You can at least take some solace in your unusual dual rooting interest, and the knowledge that some of his work will be done against the Cardinals.
   33. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:53 PM (#3417001)
Silva isnt worth an NRI much less two million dollars extra. I rescind my comments if the Mariners are sending at least that much to Chicago but I doubt that is going to happen.
   34. Tripon Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:53 PM (#3417002)
SI_JonHeyman

on si.com: bradley-silva deal has been agreed to. mariners will send $6 million over 2 years to chicago

@jaysonst: If Bradley-Silva deal goes down, Cubs would turn quickly to CF market. | They want Byrd bc of Jaramillo.


So the Cubs come out $2 million ahead in the deal.
   35.   Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:54 PM (#3417004)
For a second I thought they had me reporting this story; that had me a little confused.

I still kinda like Milton Bradley.
   36. Spahn Insane Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:54 PM (#3417005)
Mop-up man, or do they risk giving him the start every 5th day?

Even with the loss of Harden and the substantial likelihood that Gorzelanny's a total POS, I can't imagine who Silva beats out for a rotation spot.

Then again, I've seen what I get for underestimating this organization's stupidity.
   37. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:55 PM (#3417006)
Paul Sullivan of the Tribune says the Ms are sending $9 million
   38. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:57 PM (#3417008)
So the Cubs come out $2 million ahead in the deal.

Now it makes more sense for the Cubs, and less for the Mariners. They can now release Silva and come out ahead.
   39. Spahn Insane Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:57 PM (#3417009)
@jaysonst: If Bradley-Silva deal goes down, Cubs would turn quickly to CF market. | They want Byrd bc of Jaramillo.

They wouldn't hold onto Bradley for the same reason, though. Yes, I realize one of these things is not like the other...

So the Cubs come out $2 million ahead in the deal.

Still doesn't justify it, but it's better than nothing.

Perhaps this was Hendry's idea of a joke--he was looking for the only contract that'd require the OTHER team to send cash. If so, mission accomplished.
   40. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: December 18, 2009 at 07:58 PM (#3417010)
So the Cubs come out $2 million ahead in the deal.

Good, now cut Silva.
   41. Spahn Insane Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:01 PM (#3417013)
Still doesn't justify it, but it's better than nothing.

All right, check that, it might make some sense, especially if it's 9MM they're getting. Talking myself out of self-immolation here...
   42. JMPH Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:01 PM (#3417015)
If Bradley had been cut, whoever signed him would have only been on the hook for the minimum salary, right? That would have been an interesting scene.
   43. Posada Posse Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:02 PM (#3417016)
I doubt that Silva can address the Cubs' need for an innings-eater, but at least he's good at eating...

Pitching coach: “Hey Carlos, you don’t look so good. Is it your elbow?”
Silva: “I saw a fan eating a hamburger. *gets animated* I didn’t know we HAD those here. ”
Pitching coach: “You know you just gave up a 3 run homer to Kelly Shoppach right?”
Silva: “… I mean, you could probably put the garlic fries right inside the bun with the meat!”

From USS Mariner
   44. Esoteric Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:04 PM (#3417021)
AMAZING AMAZING I LOVE YOU JACK Z I LOVE YOU MY LIFE FOR YOU AMAZING.

(just found out.)
   45. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:06 PM (#3417023)
If Bradley had been cut, whoever signed him would have only been on the hook for the minimum salary, right? That would have been an interesting scene.

Yup, and that minimum salary would go to the Cubs.

If Hendry got $6 million in salary relief for Bradley, that's more than I expected he'd get, even if Silva doesn't provide anything for them.
   46. rlc Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:07 PM (#3417024)
I'm not looking forward to watching Silva this year. Please, can someone at least tell me he works quickly?

Well, I don't figure a start lasting two thirds of an inning should take that long,


Silva does work quickly, but you'd be surprised at how much time it takes for a team to send 10 men to the plate.
   47. J. Sosa Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:10 PM (#3417027)
If I were a Mariner fan I think I'd be building a statue of Jack Z.

The amazing thing about this is its sheer elegance and simplicity. Yeah they sent some money, but still. Carlos Silva was somewhere below the ocean floor of a sunk cost.

So...DH Bradley and sign a LF for the short term until Saunders is ready? Damon? Sign a cheap first baseman? Too bad Johnson is gone.
   48. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:12 PM (#3417030)
This is a terrible deal for the Cubs -- I agree that they should have just cut Bradley -- but I don't think it's necessarily a great deal for the mariners either. It's high risk/high reward -- Bradley could hit like he did in 2008, remain relatively sane, and help them win the division; or he could tear the clubhouse apart; or anything in-between. At least for the Mariners there's obvious upside to the deal. I don't see what the cubs could possibly get out of it.
   49. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:16 PM (#3417032)
someone who can keep food away from z?
   50. Tripon Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:17 PM (#3417034)
The Mariner's clubhouse is filled with a bunch of eccentrics anyway. Really Milton Bradley going to screw around with Ichiro's mojo?
   51. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:17 PM (#3417036)
I don't see what the cubs could possibly get out of it.

Depending on the dollar figures, somewhere between $2-$6 million.

If the Cubs save money on this deal, they did just fine.
   52. Davo Dozier Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:17 PM (#3417037)
Please, can someone at least tell me (Silva) works quickly?
In 2005 Silva pitched 188 innings and gave up 7 unintentional walks.

The fewest BB/9 leaderboard is pretty funny. 24 of the top 25 seasons were between 1876 and 1884... Silva's 2005 is the extreme outlier.
   53. MNB Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:19 PM (#3417038)
So, Silva is so bad that not even moving to the NL can help him? That's BAD.
   54. SteveM. Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:24 PM (#3417042)
The money makes this trade palpable to me. If Hendry uses the salary relief wisely, the Cubs will be ok. I Suspect Silva will be brought to spring training and if he performs as normal, either set loose are made the David Patton of 2010.
   55. The importance of being Ernest Riles Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:26 PM (#3417044)
This is a terrible deal for the Cubs -- I agree that they should have just cut Bradley -- but I don't think it's necessarily a great deal for the mariners either. It's high risk/high reward -- Bradley could hit like he did in 2008, remain relatively sane, and help them win the division; or he could tear the clubhouse apart; or anything in-between. At least for the Mariners there's obvious upside to the deal. I don't see what the cubs could possibly get out of it.

Given that they have a year of Cliff Lee, they might as well go for broke.
   56. tfbg9 Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:27 PM (#3417045)
I still kinda like Milton Bradley.


Why?
   57. Nineto Lezcano needs to get his shit together (CW) Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:28 PM (#3417046)
MNB, moving leagues doesn't "help" a player. It makes their numbers look better, that's all.
   58.   Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:30 PM (#3417048)

MNB, moving leagues doesn't "help" a player. It makes their numbers look better, that's all.


That helps his wallet.


Why?


He's interesting.
   59. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:32 PM (#3417050)
It's high risk/high reward -- Bradley could hit like he did in 2008, remain relatively sane, and help them win the division; or he could tear the clubhouse apart; or anything in-between. At least for the Mariners there's obvious upside to the deal. I don't see what the cubs could possibly get out of it.


I pretty much agree, but the MAriners could cut Milton if it blows up on them - or should I say when he blows up?

Maybe Hendry wanted Milton as far from NL Central radar as possible. The other league, on the West Coast, in a lesser media center, that all helps. Having him play against the Cubs this year -- couldn't you see the media circus clamoring for Milton's quotes about Hendry?

(Checks 2010 Interleague schedule) Oops. Mark your calendars for June 22rd through 24th. At least the games are in Seattle.
   60. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:33 PM (#3417054)
Depending on the dollar figures, somewhere between $2-$6 million.

I guess saving a few million is better than nothing, but aren't they hurting themselves by committing innings to Silva?

Given that they have a year of Cliff Lee, they might as well go for broke.

Sure, and getting Bradley (while ridding themselves of Silva) is a good risk to take in this situation. My point is just that there's a good chance that this could turn out pretty badly.
   61. Nineto Lezcano needs to get his shit together (CW) Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:35 PM (#3417056)
I guess saving a few million is better than nothing, but aren't they hurting themselves by committing innings to Silva?


Silva's already got a track record with injuries and Hendry already has a track record of DL'ing players with phantom pitching injuries. I'm sure they can work something out to where Silva won't be in danger of pitching too many innings.
   62.   Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:43 PM (#3417067)
[59], whats' funny is that Bradley keeps getting shuffled between the leagues. He has never had an intra-league transfer:

MON->CLE->LAD->OAK->SDP->TEX->CHC->SEA

It's like the NL and AL have to take turns dealing with him.
   63. geonose Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:43 PM (#3417069)
Carlos Silva lost a game to Sidney Ponson this year.

This is how bad Carlos Silva is.

Cubs fans, my condolences.
   64. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:45 PM (#3417071)
well marmol does need a day off every now and then
   65. RJ in TO Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:49 PM (#3417074)
Carlos Silva lost a game to Sidney Ponson this year.


Was it a game of Hungry, Hungry Hippos?
   66. Andere Richtingen Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:50 PM (#3417077)
Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

Trading Bradley, with two years and $23 million left on his contract, for the worthless Silva, who has two years and (after all things are considered) $19 million left on his contract.

Yeah, they're just going to bury him somehow in the roster, but this has been an absurd series of events. As fireable an offense as you will ever see from a GM.
   67. drone1313 Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:53 PM (#3417081)
I agree. Bradley's a risky player, but this is still a clear win (and another win) for the M's new GM
   68. Craig in MN Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:54 PM (#3417084)
So, Silva is so bad that not even moving to the NL can help him? That's BAD.

I was just wondering if moving to the NL might help him regain some effectiveness. I know that is often a mirage, but it can effect pitchers differently. I wouldn't be surprised if he bounces back and looks somewhat useful for the Cubs. He'd have to be able to keep the ball in Wrigley, and rely on lots of pitchers to hit into double plays, but it could happen.

Actually, maybe this is a sneaky strategy. Silva could tax the other teams bullpen.....the opposing starters will constantly be coming up with the bases loaded, and the other manager will be tempted to pull them earlier for a pinch hitter.
   69. Random Transaction Generator Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:54 PM (#3417085)
I'm disappointed that Toronto didn't step in and offer a similar deal involving Wells/Bradley.

Hell, I'd even take Wells/Silva at this point.
   70. SouthSideRyan Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:55 PM (#3417088)
Carlos Silva is the worst player in the majors.

Jim Hendry is a raging buffoon.
   71. bookbook Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:55 PM (#3417090)
Golly, gee golly. I hope the M's can find $50K in the budget for a psychiatrist. If they can, this is a humongous steal!
   72. RJ in TO Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:56 PM (#3417094)
I'm disappointed that Toronto didn't step in and offer a similar deal involving Wells/Bradley.


Seattle threw in money to get Bradley. The Jays would have had to throw in something like $75M to get the deal to work.
   73. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: December 18, 2009 at 08:59 PM (#3417098)
It's mindblowing that these contracts were actually handed out in the first place. I don't know which deal is worse. Bradley at least was coming off a terrific year and is a talented player, but, at the same time, he received that contract in a down market in 2008.
   74. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:00 PM (#3417100)
As fireable an offense as you will ever see from a GM.

What's the fireable offense? Signing Bradley in the first place, letting the situation get to the point where they had to dump him, or not being able to get more in trade?
   75. Chipper Jonestown Massacre Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:02 PM (#3417104)
I still kinda like Milton Bradley.

Why?

He's interesting.


I guess that's one way of putting it...
   76. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:02 PM (#3417106)
Bradley at least was coming off a terrific year and is a talented player, but, at the same time, he received that contract in a down market in 2008.

This, I think, was Hendry's biggest mistake in the whole thing - he jumped out and made a bunch of transactions after the 2008 season without waiting to see what the market would bear. He overpaid not only for Bradley, but for Dempster and Miles as well.
   77. Tripon Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:03 PM (#3417108)
Question, why didn't the Cubs just cut Bradley before the last two years vested?
   78. SouthSideRyan Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:03 PM (#3417109)
This, I think, was Hendry's biggest mistake in the whole thing


No, his biggest mistake was trading for the worst ####### player in baseball because Milton Bradley hurt Paul Sullivan's feelings.
   79. Tripon Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:05 PM (#3417111)

Milton Bradley of
3 years/$30M (2009-11)

* 3 years/$30M (2009-11)
o signed by Chicago Cubs as a free agent 1/6/09
o $4M signing bonus
o 09:$5M, 10:$9M, 11:$12M
o 2010 and 2011 base salaries may increase by $0.25M for LCS MVP, $0.5M for WS MVP; $0.5M for MVP ($0.3M for 2nd in vote, $0.2M for 3rd, $0.15M for 4th, $0.1M for 5th) in any previous season
o 2011 may become $12M club option with $2M buyout if:
+ Bradley has more than 75 days on DL in 2009, or
+ Bradley is on DL at end of 2009 season with specific injury and not on active roster by 4/15/2010
o if 2011 becomes a club option, it may be guaranteed again if:
+ MVP (1st -3rd) in 2010, or
+ any two of the following five:
# All Star in 2010, unless Bradley is on DL at end of 2010 with specific injury
# MVP (4th-8th) in 2010
# Silver Slugger in 2010
# WS MVP in 2009 or 2010
# LCS MVP in 2009 or 2010
o award bonuses: $75,000 each for Gold Glove, Silver Slugger, All Star; $0.25M for LCS MVP; $0.5M for WS MVP; $0.5M for MVP ($0.3M for 2nd in vote, $0.2M for 3rd, $0.15M for 4th, $0.1M for 5th)
o perks: suite on the road


Was Bradley on the DL at the end of 2009?
   80. Greg Goosen at 30 Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:07 PM (#3417113)
The safest bet in baseball for 2010 is the Mariners will not be making the playoffs.
   81. RJ in TO Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:08 PM (#3417115)
The safest bet in baseball for 2010 is the Mariners will not be making the playoffs.


Safer than betting that the Royals and Blue Jays will not be making the playoffs? I highly doubt that.
   82. Into the Void Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:09 PM (#3417118)
This, I think, was Hendry's biggest mistake in the whole thing


No, his biggest mistake was trading for the worst ####### player in baseball because Milton Bradley hurt Paul Sullivan's feelings.


In my opinion, the Soriano contract is even worse than any of the Bradley dealings. Good luck getting rid of that one...
   83. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:09 PM (#3417121)
Was Bradley on the DL at the end of 2009?

He was not. He was under team suspension.

The DL clause was for the specific knee injury that he struggled with before he got to the Cubs, and didn't cover other injuries.
   84. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:10 PM (#3417123)
No, his biggest mistake was trading for the worst ####### player in baseball because Milton Bradley hurt Paul Sullivan's feelings.

It goes way beyond Paul Sullivan. Bradley had to go.
   85. RJ in TO Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:12 PM (#3417125)
In my opinion, the Soriano contract is even worse than any of the Bradley dealings. Good luck getting rid of that one...


Vernon Wells is available....
   86. drone1313 Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:12 PM (#3417127)
The safest bet in baseball for 2010 is the Mariners will not be making the playoffs.


With Texas and Oakland treading water, and the Angels slowly sinking, I'm inclined to disagree.
   87. SouthSideRyan Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:15 PM (#3417133)
In my opinion, the Soriano contract is even worse than any of the Bradley dealings. Good luck getting rid of that one...


Well yeah, it's worse, but at least there was logic and reasoning behind it (The Cubs were a terrible team in '06 and he felt the need to overpay to get a "star")
   88. geonose Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:16 PM (#3417134)
Question, why didn't the Cubs just cut Bradley before the last two years vested?

There was no vesting; it was a guaranteed contract. There were some provisions where 2011 would be converted to a club option rather than being guaranteed.
Was Bradley on the DL at the end of 2009?

No, he was on the restricted list (suspended), if I recall correctly, although I'm not certain that he was "formally" placed there.
   89. SouthSideRyan Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:16 PM (#3417135)
It goes way beyond Paul Sullivan. Bradley had to go.


WHY? Everyone keeps saying this (especially the braindead morons on sports radio, but why did he have to go? Because the buffoon in charge said so? Because the buffoons in the stands said so? Because the buffoons in the media said so?

Milton Bradley was not going to lose the Cubs money, losing baseball because you actively made your team worse all offseason certainly were.
   90. DL from MN Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:16 PM (#3417136)
Isn't Griffey pretty much the ideal clubhouse antidote to Bradley? Ichiro doesn't seem fazed by much of anything.
   91. Lassus Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:19 PM (#3417139)
MY LIFE FOR YOU

Oh good lord, Zduirencik is really Randall Flagg.
   92. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:24 PM (#3417145)
WHY?

Mainly because he had no place on the team any more. It's no secret that he had no friends in that clubhouse. I'm one that believes that "chemistry" issues are overblown, but the Bradley situation is different. You don't put someone on team suspension at the end of the season if there aren't major, major problems.

Blame whoever you want (Bradley, Hendry, Piniella, the media, the bleacher bums) for the situation, that doesn't change the fact that Bradley had to go. There were no other options.
   93. Esoteric Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:27 PM (#3417149)
Oh good lord, Zduirencik is really Randall Flagg.
I'm totally thrilled that someone caught the Stand reference. Seriously, I'm on the verge of starting a cult. You have any idea what it feels like to root for a team that's suddenly been seized by a cadre of forward-thinking "sabermetrics + scouts" guys? Pulling off stealthy ninja trades (both Lee and Bradley came out of nowhere) and upgrading the team ruthlessly at the expense of its divisional competitors? It's like watching the Russian Revolution, if the Russian Revolution had actually been done right.

If they re-sign Felix before spring training I think my heart will probably give out.
   94. rlc Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:29 PM (#3417151)
Isn't Griffey pretty much the ideal clubhouse antidote to Bradley? Ichiro doesn't seem fazed by much of anything.


I wonder; Junior of course was not much of a mentor early in his career, but now he seems to be grateful for a chance to hang around the game and still be a kid. I doubt Bradley will change dramatically at this stage of his life, but it's entertaining to imagine how his career might have gone if he had Junior's personality.

At the very least, with Ichiro being chased by a tour bus full of Japanese reporters, Griffey telling stories for his old pals, and Lee and Hernandez campaigning for Cy Young votes, there will be some opportunity to fade into the background occasionally.
   95. ?Donde esta Dagoberto Campaneris? Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:30 PM (#3417152)
I would think this pretty much guarantees that the M's are out of the Bay negotiations. I'm also thinking that locks up the Angels first round pick barring something very unexpected.

So that's something.
   96. zenbitz Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:34 PM (#3417160)
I got the Stand ref as well... you should have signed "Ciboooolaaaaaahhh"
   97. Lassus Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:41 PM (#3417164)
Could Z have driven down the market for Bay? There's no end to his good works!
   98. SouthSideRyan Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:41 PM (#3417166)
It's no secret that he had no friends in that clubhouse. I'm one that believes that "chemistry" issues are overblown, but the Bradley situation is different. You don't put someone on team suspension at the end of the season if there aren't major, major problems.


Jake Fox said he got along great with Bradley, and that Bradley was a big help to him. Ryan Dempster said he'd welcome Bradley back to the team next year. There was no uptick in play once Bradley was suspended. There was no big celebration. There were comments you'd expect a player still employed by the guy who suspended Bradley to make. Nobody was out there saying good riddance. I'd bet most of the players would prefer having Bradley back to the fat piece of #### they just picked up.
   99. God Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:42 PM (#3417169)
The thing about Milton Bradley is he pretty much always has a happy, drama-free start every time he joins a new organization. (Chicago was basically the only exception to that in his career.) Things will go bad in Seattle eventually, I expect, but there's no particular reason to think he'll fracture the clubhouse in 2010. So if you're going for it this year, as Seattle certainly appears to be doing, Bradley isn't too much of a risk.
   100. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: December 18, 2009 at 09:43 PM (#3417171)
you cut Bradley, you at least don't replace him with a soon-to-be-equally-vilified (for different reasons) player, and everyone eventually forgets about the money eaten (well, it'll still hamstring the budget to the tune of $21MM over 2 years, but that was inevitable anyway). Now, we get to experience fear and loathing over what the hell to do with Carlos Silva.

When's the last time you saw the Cubs cut bait and eat a $21MM obligation? You really think that a new owner paying a crapload to buy the team would do this?

What is the "record" for the most money a team has eaten by cutting a player? I cant think there are too many $20MM+ obligations that teams have eaten.
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