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Shohei Ohtani was nearly perfect in his home pitching debut | LA Times

The Angels sold out. They sold 44,742 tickets, more than for opening day, more than for any regular-season day game since they downsized their stadium 20 years ago.

What could be more dramatic than Ohtani hitting a home run in his first at-bat at Angel Stadium? How about pitching a perfect game in his first start at Angel Stadium?

Ohtani very nearly did, nearly enough to get the crowd cheering in anticipation of third strikes in the fifth and sixth innings. With one out in the seventh, when Marcus Semien ended the perfect game by slapping a 96-mph fastball into left field, the crowd rose and rewarded Ohtani with a warm ovation.

Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 08, 2018 at 07:35 PM | 43 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 08, 2018 at 08:33 PM (#5650015)
He deserves a raise already.
   2. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: April 08, 2018 at 08:43 PM (#5650023)
And Stanton just completed his second 5 strikeout day on this 6 day home stand, making it 20 K's in 42 AB for the season. Is American League pitching really that much better than the pitching in the NL?

I'm thinking the Yankees signed the wrong free agent, though yes, I know Ohtani wasn't available to them, and yes, small sample size. I just hope the Birdies can play like this against the Red Sox.
   3. Dillon Gee Escape Plan Posted: April 08, 2018 at 08:58 PM (#5650034)
I'm thinking the Yankees signed the wrong free agent


He wasn't a free agent.
   4. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: April 08, 2018 at 09:04 PM (#5650039)
I'm thinking the Yankees signed the wrong free agent killer box-office superstar

He wasn't a free agent.


FIFM
   5. asinwreck Posted: April 08, 2018 at 09:19 PM (#5650044)
This is fun.
   6. ptodd Posted: April 08, 2018 at 09:19 PM (#5650045)
A legend in the making while former legend Stanton morphs into Jason Bay. Lets see where we stand in a month.
   7. PreservedFish Posted: April 08, 2018 at 09:30 PM (#5650049)
Stanton is fine, and he's also irrelevant. No need to let Andy's entitled freakout to derail what should be an appreciation for what is practically the best baseball story we've ever seen.
   8. McCoy Posted: April 08, 2018 at 09:33 PM (#5650050)
The Cubs winning the world series?
   9. bunyon Posted: April 08, 2018 at 09:35 PM (#5650051)
With any luck, fans in 2076 will look at old box scores and be amazed that a team had Pujols, Trout and Ohtani at the same time.
   10. The Duke Posted: April 08, 2018 at 09:43 PM (#5650056)
10. Edit to #9. ......and still couldn’t make the playoffs.
   11. JimMusComp likes Billy Eppler.... Posted: April 08, 2018 at 09:45 PM (#5650057)
Unhittable stuff today. Unreal. Christina Kahrl mentioned that he was more dominating than anyone in a long while, and with that splitter, he reminded her of Mike Scott circa 1986. I thought that was an apt comparison. The velocity is impressive, but that splitter is filthy...

I really hope he can stay healthy and continue this trajectory. As we said in another thread - 12 wins and 15 HR's seems like a pretty amazing season and he's looking like he could go for 15 wins and 20 HR's - which is bonkers.
   12. Textbook Editor Posted: April 08, 2018 at 10:18 PM (#5650068)
I'm sure Jayson Stark will have this covered... but when was the last time a player hit 3 HRs and threw 7 IP 0 R in one calendar week? It had to have been a long time, right?
   13. Endless Trash Posted: April 08, 2018 at 10:24 PM (#5650071)
The most important thing is that Ohtani be permanently branded a loser for not wanting to play for the Yankees.
   14. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: April 08, 2018 at 10:25 PM (#5650074)
I'd be surprised if it's ever happened. As far as I can tell no pitcher has ever hit 3 in a game, Babe Ruth never had a 3 HR game while he was still pitching regularly, and the two-way player has been essentially extinct since Ruth except in Kieschnickian bench player cases.

e: never mind, I misunderstood the question. :)
   15. Baldrick Posted: April 08, 2018 at 10:26 PM (#5650075)
I'm sure Jayson Stark will have this covered... but when was the last time a player hit 3 HRs and threw 7 IP 0 R in one calendar week? It had to have been a long time, right?

It's not identical, but Mike Hampton hit three HR in the week that included June 5 and June 10, and those two starts did include seven innings in which he gave up zero runs. They just also included four innings in which he gave up seven runs.
   16. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: April 08, 2018 at 10:45 PM (#5650086)
I heard some first time a player did xyz since Monte Ward. I'm guessing it is win two starts and hit 3hrs in some fixed period of time. A Monte Ward reference is exceptionally rare.
   17. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: April 08, 2018 at 10:51 PM (#5650089)
I heard some first time a player did xyz since Monte Ward. I'm guessing it is win two starts and hit 3hrs in some fixed period of time. A Monte Ward reference is exceptionally rare.


I think it was won 2 games and hit 3 HR in a team's first 10 games. There was a 3rd player mentioned, and I thought it was in the 20th century.
   18. BDC Posted: April 08, 2018 at 10:53 PM (#5650090)
In a ten-day span in 1971, Rick Wise threw two complete-game victories (one a no-hitter), plus a no-decision, and hit three HR, a double, and a triple.
   19. Perry Posted: April 09, 2018 at 12:34 AM (#5650106)
Tony Cloninger had a CG but gave up 3 runs in his two-grand-slam, 9-RBI game. In his previous start he gave up 4 runs in 8 innings (and went 0-4); in his next he was knocked out in the 3rd inning, charged with 6 runs.
   20. JAHV Posted: April 09, 2018 at 12:37 AM (#5650107)
When his control is on, as it was today, his stuff is nearly unhittable. When he was working on locating his breaking stuff (notably the splitter), hitters lay off of it and sit on the fastball, which is pretty straight. But when he's locating the fastball and his offspeed stuff, hitters can't sit on anything and his pure stuff is devastating.
   21. vortex of dissipation Posted: April 09, 2018 at 01:25 AM (#5650110)
I think it was won 2 games and hit 3 HR in a team's first 10 games. There was a 3rd player mentioned, and I thought it was in the 20th century.


Grunting Jim Shaw, 1919 Senators. Beat the Athletics in Philly twice, May 2 and 5, in the team's 7th and 10th games, and hit two homers in the first of those games and one in the second.

Shaw was not a good hitter. He played nine years, and in 567 PA hit .163 with four home runs, so those three home runs that week are 75% of his career total.
   22. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 09, 2018 at 07:53 AM (#5650124)
Ohtani is at 1.0 WAR on the season after 10 games. So he'll clearly finish with 16.2 WAR... which will only put him 9th on the all time single season chart but still above Walter Johnson and Babe Ruth's post-1900 records.
   23. Rally Posted: April 09, 2018 at 10:28 AM (#5650172)
but when was the last time a player hit 3 HRs and threw 7 IP 0 R in one calendar week? It had to have been a long time, right?


Mike Hampton in 2001 had 3 HR within a 5 day span, but he gave up runs in both of his starts. Wes Ferrell had a bunch of 2 HR games in his career so he might fit.

Drysdale hit 3 between 8/19 and 8/23 of 1958 - Two complete game wins, but he allowed 1 run in each.
   24. bookbook Posted: April 09, 2018 at 11:21 AM (#5650211)
So he’s already earned his salary for 2018,
   25. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: April 09, 2018 at 11:37 AM (#5650226)
Stanton is fine, and he's also irrelevant. No need to let Andy's entitled freakout to derail what should be an appreciation for what is practically the best baseball story we've ever seen.

Just in case you're mistaking my comments as being wholly serious, I completely agree that Ohtani's story (at least so far) is the Story of the Year, and I'd love to see him win the Triple Crown and the CYA while pitching 3 perfect games in the ALCS, while the Yankees win the other 4.
   26. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: April 09, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5650238)
Grunting Jim Shaw, 1919 Senators. Beat the Athletics in Philly twice, May 2 and 5, in the team's 7th and 10th games, and hit two homers in the first of those games and one in the second.

Shaw was not a good hitter. He played nine years, and in 567 PA hit .163 with four home runs, so those three home runs that week are 75% of his career total.


I would have immediately assumed the Baker Bowl was involved even if you hadn't said "the Athletics in Philly".
   27. Srul Itza Posted: April 09, 2018 at 01:31 PM (#5650324)
Stanton just completed his second 5 strikeout day on this 6 day home stand, making it 20 K's in 42 AB for the season.


Have any of the tabloids dusted off their "Some players just can't handle playing in New York" memes yet?
   28. bunyon Posted: April 09, 2018 at 01:49 PM (#5650342)
Not to be a buzzkill but "nearly perfect" is a long way off. He was perfect through 6. His seventh was a long way from perfect. And he didn't throw an 8th or a 9th. To me, that's not really close.

I mean, he threw a hell of a game and it was a lot of fun and anyone (like myself) who were questioning if he was really ready should eat crow. But he wasn't nearly perfect.
   29. Baseballs Most Beloved Figure Posted: April 09, 2018 at 04:16 PM (#5650404)
He's too good to be true, which is why I feel a Tommy John diagnosis is only a few weeks away.
   30. Panic Posted: April 09, 2018 at 04:29 PM (#5650408)
I thought the MLB Network had a graphic about Babe Ruth in 1919 to be the last player to hit 3 HR between starts. I don't think it really considered the actual starts like Hampton referenced above.
   31. Zonk is Just the Right Amount of Wrought Posted: April 09, 2018 at 04:30 PM (#5650409)
With any luck, fans in 2076 will look at old box scores and be amazed that a team had Pujols, Trout and Ohtani at the same time.


Meh - have to check the box scores to see if they ever all appeared in the same lineup, but the '28 A's had Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Al Simmons, Eddie Collins, Jimmie Foxx, Mickey Cochrane, and Lefty Grove.... Of course - Cobb, Speaker, and Collins were all 41, while Foxx was a 20 yo rookie.
   32. Rally Posted: April 09, 2018 at 04:40 PM (#5650412)
Of course - Cobb, Speaker, and Collins were all 41


In other words, almost the age of Pujols.
   33. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: April 09, 2018 at 04:42 PM (#5650414)
It's like Tuffy Rhodes and Fernando Valenzuela had a baby. Not together, that would be weird.
   34. vortex of dissipation Posted: April 09, 2018 at 04:47 PM (#5650417)
Meh - have to check the box scores to see if they ever all appeared in the same lineup, but the '28 A's had Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Al Simmons, Eddie Collins, Jimmie Foxx, Mickey Cochrane, and Lefty Grove.... Of course - Cobb, Speaker, and Collins were all 41, while Foxx was a 20 yo rookie.


Here's a game all seven got in - against the Yankees, with Ruth, Gehrig, Combs, Lazzeri, Hoyt...and Durocher.
   35. bunyon Posted: April 09, 2018 at 04:51 PM (#5650419)
That sort of thing was more common pre-expansion. And, yes, we've had a few examples in later history. I mean, Pujols and Trout alone is worth the price of a ticket. I have a photograph (yes, film) from the upper deck with Jeter, Rodriguez and Junior all in a line.

Mostly, I'm just hoping Ohtani makes it to that level.
   36. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: April 09, 2018 at 05:01 PM (#5650422)
Stanton just completed his second 5 strikeout day on this 6 day home stand, making it 20 K's in 42 AB for the season.

Have any of the tabloids dusted off their "Some players just can't handle playing in New York" memes yet?


Not yet, but the Times noted that Joe Dimaggio only struck out 13 times in the entire 1941 season.
   37. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: April 09, 2018 at 05:13 PM (#5650425)
Meh - have to check the box scores to see if they ever all appeared in the same lineup, but the '28 A's had Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Al Simmons, Eddie Collins, Jimmie Foxx, Mickey Cochrane, and Lefty Grove.... Of course - Cobb, Speaker, and Collins were all 41, while Foxx was a 20 yo rookie.


Here's a game all seven got in - against the Yankees, with Ruth, Gehrig, Combs, Lazzeri, Hoyt...and Durocher.

Philly fans must have known what they were going to witness that day, as the weekday doubleheader drew a record Shibe Park crowd of 45,000, with 15,000 more turned away. The best Jeopardy answer for that game would be Al Shealy.
   38. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: April 09, 2018 at 05:19 PM (#5650428)
Here's a game all seven got in - against the Yankees, with Ruth, Gehrig, Combs, Lazzeri, Hoyt...and Durocher.

I count 12 HOFers in that game--is that the record?

couple of caveats--Leo 's a HOFer but not as a player--also there were a couple of Frisch-era Vets committee choices
   39. vortex of dissipation Posted: April 09, 2018 at 05:36 PM (#5650432)
I count 12 HOFers in that game--is that the record?


There's 13 if you count Leo

Babe Ruth
Ty Cobb
Lou Gehrig
Jimmie Foxx
Tris Speaker
Eddie Collins
Lefty Grove
Mickey Cochrane
Waite Hoyt
Al Simmons
Tony Lazzeri
Earle Combs
Leo Durocher

Plus Hall-of-Famers Connie Mack and Miller Huggins managing the teams.
   40. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: April 09, 2018 at 05:45 PM (#5650435)
yeah--I left off Combs
   41. Howie Menckel Posted: April 09, 2018 at 05:53 PM (#5650436)
the poor 1927 A's settled for Zack Wheat in the OF instead of Speaker for their own 7-man HOFer effort. they almost get bonus points for being the last roundup for "Baby Doll" Jacobson, too (who also opened his career behind Cobb in Detroit).
   42. Copronymus Posted: April 10, 2018 at 01:18 PM (#5650832)
Two more Hall of Famers were on the field there, too, because two of the umpires were inducted as well.
   43. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: April 10, 2018 at 01:59 PM (#5650870)
I count 12 HOFers in that game--is that the record?


There's 13 if you count Leo

Babe Ruth
Ty Cobb
Lou Gehrig
Jimmie Foxx
Tris Speaker
Eddie Collins
Lefty Grove
Mickey Cochrane
Waite Hoyt
Al Simmons
Tony Lazzeri
Earle Combs
Leo Durocher

Plus Hall-of-Famers Connie Mack and Miller Huggins managing the teams.


Game 4 of the 1932 WS had 12, plus manager Joe McCarthy:

Combs
Sewell
Ruth
Gehrig
Lazzeri
Dickey
Ruffing
Pennock
Herman
Cuyler
Hartnett
Grimes

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