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Thursday, July 02, 2009

S.I.: Freedman: With Manny coming back, red-hot Pierre forced to grin and bear it

“Stats are stats” handle going once, twice…

But if you’ve got a beating heart and any modicum of pride in what you do for a living, it’s hard to believe that Pierre is not at all perturbed that he’s heading back to the dugout despite putting up fantastic numbers in Ramirez’s absence. Pierre declined numerous requests to comment for this story, and tries to deflect as much attention from himself as he can in interviews with beat writers. But ask his best friend, Los Angeles Angels third baseman Chone Figgins, and it isn’t hard to read through the lines.

“I do feel badly for him because he’s my best friend and he’s not getting to play [regularly],” said Figgins, who came up with Pierre in the Colorado Rockies farm system. “But we’ve seen what happened with the Manny Ramirez situation and the fact that he did do something that was illegal. In retrospect, [the Dodgers] should see that a player that hasn’t done things like that is putting up numbers that are natural. It should be shown that we deserve more respect than what we get.”

...“Now he’s a so-called bench player, which isn’t accurate,” said Figgins. “Bench players don’t get a five-year contract or get 200 hits over the last couple years, [only] behind Ichiro [Suzuki]. Stats are stats.”

Repoz Posted: July 02, 2009 at 11:47 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. TomH Posted: July 02, 2009 at 12:19 PM (#3240079)
"red-hot Pierre"??

Stats are stats: Since June 1, Pierre has had 114 at bats. He has scored 11 runs while batting leadoff. This does ont make him, as the quote in the article says "the best leadoff man in the game". He has driven in 4. 4 RBI in over a month. Slugging avg .307.

Who exactly should be benched so Pierre can play? Ethier? Kemp? I laugh heartily.
   2. Best Regards, Larry M. Posted: July 02, 2009 at 12:34 PM (#3240083)
Pierre since 5/28: .252/.307/.291

Red. Hot.
   3. ColonelTom Posted: July 02, 2009 at 12:46 PM (#3240090)
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Besides, he's scrappy!
   4. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: July 02, 2009 at 12:58 PM (#3240099)
he's just luring the pitchers into a false sense of superiority, then, WHAMMO!
   5. akrasian Posted: July 02, 2009 at 01:00 PM (#3240100)
he's just luring the pitchers into a false sense of superiority, then, WHAMMO!

Even when he was hitting hot, there wasn't any WHAMMO.
   6. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: July 02, 2009 at 01:02 PM (#3240104)
Ok then, DINKO!
   7. Random Transaction Generator Posted: July 02, 2009 at 01:11 PM (#3240107)
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Besides, he's scrappy!

He's white?!
   8. Levi Stahl Posted: July 02, 2009 at 01:17 PM (#3240113)
Still, I've got to give Pierre credit for taking this the right way so far. He's not raising a fuss--or, at worst, he's letting others raise a fuss for him.

And credit to Torre, too, for being too nice to take the easy route of pointing out that Pierre's not been good for a month. That sure must have made his decision easier.

True, this could all end in arguments and attitude eventually, but I'm impressed with the professionalism of all concerned for now.
   9. JRVJ (formerly Delta Socrates) Posted: July 02, 2009 at 01:25 PM (#3240118)
Well, I looked at Pierre's splits, and he did haver good months in April and May, before cooling off in June.

Still, Manny Ramirez is a HoF level player, so he (Pierre) surely has to understand how things go.
   10. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 02, 2009 at 01:56 PM (#3240149)
Juan Pierre is red hot! Manny Ramirez ain't doodly squat!
   11. Barnaby Jones Posted: July 02, 2009 at 02:09 PM (#3240166)
bench players don’t get a five-year contract


QED
   12. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: July 02, 2009 at 02:27 PM (#3240191)
Still, I've got to give Pierre credit for taking this the right way so far.
Dude, he is Juan #### Pierre. We're not talking Hall of Fame material here.
   13. Benji Gil Gamesh is not being paid to be that guy Posted: July 02, 2009 at 02:27 PM (#3240192)
Still, I've got to give Pierre credit for taking this the right way so far. He's not raising a fuss--or, at worst, he's letting others raise a fuss for him.

If he was in the final year of his deal, rather then being guaranteed $10 mil this year and next, and an additional $8.5 mil in 2011, I'd be more impressed.
   14. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: July 02, 2009 at 02:40 PM (#3240220)
Flying Gonfalon, rock and roll.
   15. FBI Regional Bureau Chief GORDON COLE!!! Posted: July 02, 2009 at 02:51 PM (#3240235)
Dude, he is Juan #### Pierre. We're not talking Hall of Fame material here.

Yeah, but even Pierre's better than a lot of guys who've made bigger stinks about being benched. See, e.g., Operation Shutdown. Credit where it's due.
   16. puck Posted: July 02, 2009 at 03:33 PM (#3240301)
If he was in the final year of his deal, rather then being guaranteed $10 mil this year and next, and an additional $8.5 mil in 2011, I'd be more impressed.


I wonder if he could negotiate a buyout. Would the MLBPA have to approve that?
   17. AROM Posted: July 02, 2009 at 03:47 PM (#3240324)
I look around my favorite team and wonder where Figgy got the idea that bench players Don't get five year contracts.
   18. JPWF13 Posted: July 02, 2009 at 04:10 PM (#3240351)
Since June 1, Pierre has had 114 at bats. He has scored 11 runs while batting leadoff. This does ont make him, as the quote in the article says "the best leadoff man in the game".


Since June 1, 57 different NL players have scored 12 runs or more.
   19. cardsfanboy Posted: July 02, 2009 at 04:14 PM (#3240352)
Still, I've got to give Pierre credit for taking this the right way so far. He's not raising a fuss--or, at worst, he's letting others raise a fuss for him.

agreed, Pierre seems to be a guy that fans and players both like and we would like to see more like him, but unfortunately he just isn't a good enough player to be playing everyday.

2. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken Posted: July 02, 2009 at 08:34 AM (#3240083)

Pierre since 5/28: .252/.307/.291

Red. Hot.

And as mentioned he isn't red hot, if the last month of numbers is red hot, then the my team is on fire.
   20. pkb33 Posted: July 02, 2009 at 07:23 PM (#3240664)
I wonder if he could negotiate a buyout. Would the MLBPA have to approve that?

Yes. If the ARod/Manny trade situation is any guide, the MLBPA will also blow the calculation of the benefits and costs.

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