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Saturday, June 27, 2009

S.I.: Pearlman: A-Rod, Manny Ramirez great with steroids, but what about now?

“Could it be that without drugs players like A-Rod, Manny aren’t that good?”

Again, I know. I know. Blasphemy! But the question must be addressed: Why is it that, when PED-implicated ballplayers return from lengthy absences, we never ask whether their non-drugged selves will live up to past greatness? If, as was suggested by Selena Roberts in her recent biography, A-Rod: The Many Lives of Alex Rodriguez, Rodriguez used performance-enhancing drugs during his Yankee tenure, shouldn’t his presumed newfound, post-steroid cleanliness coincide with a dropoff? After all, performance enhancers enhance performance. They make you stronger, faster, quicker. They help you work out more, bounce back in a shorter time span.

In Los Angeles, the Dodgers anxiously await the July 3 return of Manny Ramirez, who was suspended 50 games for failing a drug test. After initially protesting his guilt, Ramirez slunk off into the abyss—a guilty man hoping that, with time, all things pass. Now, all things have passed. Yet instead of wondering whether Manny will return as Jim Rice or Jim Bolger, the Dodgers assume they will be getting the same masher who averaged 36 homers and 118 RBIs over his first 14 full seasons. Manager Joe Torre, whose continued naiveté/indifference over steroids staggers the mind, has repeatedly expressed his excitement over Ramirez’s reappearance in the Dodgers outfield, where he clearly expects nothing less than an All-Star-quality slugger.

But why? At 37, Ramirez has reached the chronological threshold, where the majority of legends find themselves either mimicking Buddy Biancalana or filming “Hi! I’m Danny Tartabull! You might remember me from ...” commercials for Biff Jones Toyota. At 37, Dale Murphy was batting .143 with no home runs in 26 games with the Rockies. Duke Snider was batting .210 with four homers and 17 RBIs for the San Francisco Giants. Mickey Mantle, Joe DiMaggio and Roger Maris were retired.

And at age 37 Del Rice hit no home runs!

 

Repoz Posted: June 27, 2009 at 11:50 AM | 29 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: dodgers, rumors, steroids, yankees

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   1. Greg (U)K Posted: June 27, 2009 at 12:05 PM (#3235031)
Since it's pretty much impossible for anyone to match Manny's performance in LA last season isn't this an easy win for Pearlman? He has about a 99% chance of pointing to a drop off.
   2. Nathan Kunkel Posted: June 27, 2009 at 12:35 PM (#3235034)
"Mickey Mantle, Joe DiMaggio and Roger Maris were retired."

Yes, that's my usual grouping of Yankee greats who wore out early.
   3. wjones Posted: June 27, 2009 at 01:00 PM (#3235040)
Henry Aaron, at 37, hit 47 homers, led the league in slugging, and finished third in the MVP voting. So obviously he was on steriods.
   4. Lassus Posted: June 27, 2009 at 01:21 PM (#3235050)
Again, I know. I know.

It's really this bit of "I'm so meta and Hunter S." that makes me want to punch Pearlman in the face.
   5. Nathan Kunkel Posted: June 27, 2009 at 01:48 PM (#3235061)
"Henry Aaron, at 37, hit 47 homers, led the league in slugging, and finished third in the MVP voting."

Precisely - the writer has cherry picked, and easily detected cherry picking generally means there's a weak argument at hand. Welcome to journalism in the new Twitter world order: the message is me.
   6. Best Regards, Larry M. Posted: June 27, 2009 at 01:49 PM (#3235063)
If you're using Selena Roberts' book as a source for anything, you have no credibility.
   7. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 27, 2009 at 02:01 PM (#3235069)
If Arod has been beating drug testing for the last six years, why should we assume he's stopped taking PEDs because of a 2003 test coming back positive?
   8. Moneyball can't buy you love (Joey B.) Posted: June 27, 2009 at 02:22 PM (#3235079)
Since it's pretty much impossible for anyone to match Manny's performance in LA last season isn't this an easy win for Pearlman? He has about a 99% chance of pointing to a drop off.

It's true that his odds of duplicating his stretch of 219 OPS+ last season or even his stretch of 199 OPS+ this season over the course of the entire season were always unlikely.

But he has foolishly put himself in the position now where if he does have a big drop off, most people are going to naturally assume that not using drugs has something to do with it. And he has absolutely nobody to blame for that but himself.
   9. pthomas Posted: June 27, 2009 at 02:37 PM (#3235084)
Help!!! My career and my magazine are collapsing because I can't bleat about steroids!!!!!

S.I.:Pearlman
   10. wjones Posted: June 27, 2009 at 02:47 PM (#3235095)
Can we make him change his name to Swineman?
   11. CFiJ Posted: June 27, 2009 at 02:50 PM (#3235097)
Can we make him change his name to Swineman?
The point would just be wasted on him.
   12. Steve Treder Posted: June 27, 2009 at 02:57 PM (#3235104)
Manager Joe Torre, whose continued naiveté/indifference over steroids staggers the mind

Actually, Torre's behaving like a grownup over steroids comforts, if not impresses, the mind.
   13. Moneyball can't buy you love (Joey B.) Posted: June 27, 2009 at 03:08 PM (#3235111)
I think it's more like baseball's persistent drug culture has forced the managers to become enablers in the race to the bottom, because they have a much higher likelihood of keeping their precious jobs if their players hit as many dingers as possible. No manager wants to become the whistleblower who gets fired and ends up becoming a Jose Canseco - like pariah.
   14. Enrico Pallazzo Posted: June 27, 2009 at 03:17 PM (#3235118)
I think it's more like baseball's persistent drug culture has forced the managers to become enablers in the race to the bottom, because they have a much higher likelihood of keeping their precious jobs if their players hit as many dingers as possible. No manager wants to become the whistleblower who gets fired and ends up becoming a Jose Canseco - like pariah.

Joey, I can't tell if you're being serious here. There is so much that's wrong with everything you've said in this thread.
   15. StHendu Posted: June 27, 2009 at 03:25 PM (#3235123)
Manny Ramirez great with steroids, but what about now?

Is Jeffie accusing Manny of taking steroids? The article does not mention the source of that accusation. Not that we can expect more from S.I. anymore.
   16. RollingWave Posted: June 27, 2009 at 03:46 PM (#3235130)
At age 36, Lou Gehrig was DEAD. (ok age 37)

Clearly. this proves that Jamie Moyer is the most prevalent roid user EVER. right after Nolan Ryan , Phil Niekro and Tim Wakefield!!!!!
   17. Jimmy P Posted: June 27, 2009 at 03:49 PM (#3235133)
Let me get this straight, it's wrong for bloggers to disparage and accuse athletes due to steroids, but perfectly ok for mainstream media. Just want to know where the double standard is.

It's articles like this that have Pearlman on my "do not read" list
   18. RollingWave Posted: June 27, 2009 at 03:53 PM (#3235135)
Let me get this straight, it's wrong for bloggers to disparage and accuse athletes due to steroids, but perfectly ok for mainstream media. Just want to know where the double standard is.

It's articles like this that have Pearlman on my "do not read" list
Nah, it's the reason why mainstream media's pay is creeping ever closer to bloggers :P
   19. flournoy Posted: June 27, 2009 at 04:01 PM (#3235142)
Can we make him change his name to Swineman?


He is now Swineman to me forevermore. Well done.
   20. jwb Posted: June 27, 2009 at 05:28 PM (#3235196)
If you're using Selena Roberts' book as a source for anything, you have no credibility.
Don't you see the beauty here? Roberts has her name on a book full of unsourced innuendo, and presto! all of that innuendo is now sourced! Think of it as truth laundering.

This proves that Jamie Moyer is the most prevalent roid user EVER. right after Nolan Ryan , Phil Niekro and Tim Wakefield!!!!!
Satchel Paige.

Your time would be better spent reading S.J. Perelman than S.I.: Pearlman.
   21. Rough Carrigan Posted: June 27, 2009 at 05:44 PM (#3235203)
(In the hallways of the Tyrell Corp. facility in Phoenix, Arizona in the year 2256)
Mr. Decker(looking at his clipboard): This way, Mr., uh, Williams it says here.
Mr. Williams: Theodore Samuel Williams the 14th
Mr. Decker: Right. Right. This is all perfunctory, of course.
Mr. Williams: Of course.
Mr. Decker: But we have to go through the motions just the same. (leads Mr. Williams to a huge room filled with stainless steel tubes three feet in diameter and seven feet high)
Mr. Williams: So, this is where it ended for him?
Mr. Decker: Oh no. That was somewhere in Florida, if my notes are correct. This is just where your anscestor's remains were brought for preservation.
Mr. Williams: Till now.
Mr. Decker: Right. Till now. We'll be terminating preservation now.
Mr. Williams: It seems unfair to the old guy, somehow. I mean, we finally have the scientific means to clone a body for him from his own genetic material and to thaw him out and transfer his brain to that body.
Mr. Decker: But regulations don't allow us to do it for drug abusers and back when he was 37 years old, in the year 1956, he hit .345 with a slugging percentage of .605. As a man named Pearlman proved through arbitrary assertion, that's impossible without the use of steroids.
   22. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 27, 2009 at 05:53 PM (#3235207)
It's really this bit of "I'm so meta and Hunter S." that makes me want to punch Pearlman in the face.
Before you punch him in the face, I'd prefer if you bulked up with steroids. It would make it much more satisfying.
   23. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 27, 2009 at 05:54 PM (#3235208)
This proves that Jamie Moyer is the most prevalent roid user EVER. right after Nolan Ryan , Phil Niekro and Tim Wakefield!!!!!

Satchel Paige.
Uh, Julio Franco, anyone?
   24. tfbg9 Posted: June 27, 2009 at 06:07 PM (#3235214)
Ramirez has reached the chronological threshold, where the majority of legends
...blah blah blah

There is nothing wrong with this assertion, all the anectdotes aside. Most big stars are done by 37 or so.
   25. Srul Itza Posted: June 27, 2009 at 06:50 PM (#3235233)
Joey, I can't tell if you're being serious here. There is so much that's wrong with everything you've said in this thread.


The last three words are superfluous.
   26. Moneyball can't buy you love (Joey B.) Posted: June 28, 2009 at 12:26 AM (#3235516)
More projection from the shithead lawyer who makes Lionel Hutz look like a genius.
   27. Frenchy's Disapppearing VORP Posted: June 28, 2009 at 01:56 AM (#3235571)
What's wrong with Lionel Hutz?
   28. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 28, 2009 at 02:49 AM (#3235592)
What's wrong with Lionel Hutz?
Good question; his approach to guilt and innocence is approximately the same as Sock's, so it's puzzling that Sock would criticize him.
   29. ValueArb Posted: June 28, 2009 at 06:54 AM (#3235664)
Managers were supposed to be outing players for using steriods prior to 2002, even though it was allowed under the CBA? We are supposed to call players trying to work out harder and perform better for their teams and their fans "cheaters"? Steriods "destroyed" baseball when fan interest is higher than ever? High home run rates were all driven by steriods, yet this year is on pace to be the highest home run year ever, under the strictest drug testing ever?

There is so much I just can't understand about this issue.

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