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Wednesday, May 21, 2014

SI.com (Jaffe): Jose Fernandez’s Tommy John tale takes an unsettling turn

I think Jaffe’s thesis here (Fernandez self-sabotaged and may have potentially destroyed his career) is rather overstated, but still…has pitching hurt ever worked out well for anyone except Sandy Koufax and Curt Schilling?

The loss of Jose Fernandez to Tommy John surgery blindsided the baseball world, robbing the game of a brilliant young star, at least temporarily. But just as the 21-year-old ace threatened to recede into the bleak landscape of this year’s wave of injuries, things have taken a turn for the weird. First came a rare statement from a lawyer on his surgery outlining the timeline of Fernandez’s demise. Then, in his first round of media availability since the surgery, Fernandez himself contradicted that statement, shining a light into the current epidemic’s darker corners while showing unusual loyalty to a team that has rarely merited it.

To appreciate how strange things have gotten, it’s worth reviewing the events of the past two weeks…

Depressoteric Posted: May 21, 2014 at 04:04 PM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Good cripple hitter Posted: May 21, 2014 at 06:56 PM (#4711142)
The melodramatic quote from Fernandez's "personal pitching coach" Orlando Chinea


“I know him perfectly,” Chinea said. “I know his weaknesses. I know the tension he generates in his arm when he pitches. If he has the surgery, I hold the Miami Marlins responsible. That would be like sitting the kid in the electric chair. The kid is 21 years old.”

Chinea added that even with the severity of Fernandez’s tear, he could rehabilitate him in six to eight weeks and eliminate the need for surgery.


really deserves to become an "Ichiro could / Ty Cobb could .... if he wanted to" bit.

Also, I know Fernandez is a Marlin and has to deal with Loria but why in the world is he talking to his lawyer after every game?
   2. Bhaakon Posted: May 21, 2014 at 07:02 PM (#4711146)
The only thing "unsettling" here is that Fernandez seems to have surrounded himself with idiots. The lawyer spouts some incredibly weak hindsight 'analysis', and the personal pitching coach declaring "I could fix him with 6 weeks of rehab" sounds positively Mike Marshall-esque. It's hard to make the Marlins FO look reasonable, but these clowns have managed to do so.
   3. Leroy Kincaid Posted: May 21, 2014 at 08:05 PM (#4711165)
Are pitching coaches allowed to make medical decisions?
   4. Squash Posted: May 21, 2014 at 08:46 PM (#4711191)
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who immediately glommed onto the personal pitching coach's comments. That Fernandez has been working with a coach since he was 15 (smack in the middle of what is probably going to prove the most dangerous injury nexus) who thinks he can heal a Tommy John/UCL injury with a couple weeks of rehab is the biggest red flag in the article.
   5. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 21, 2014 at 09:05 PM (#4711198)
Who would have thought Fernandez is the least flaky member of his entourage?
   6. Howie Menckel Posted: May 21, 2014 at 09:15 PM (#4711201)
"positively Mike Marshall-esque."

well, at least that guy once threw a total of 387 IP over a 2-year span, all in relief, going 29-23 with 52 SV.

I was a teenager then, and it's going to be a fun part of old age to be able to tell people that yeah, I saw that guy pitch. He debuted before the leagues even had divisions, pitched for the "Ball Four" Seattle Pilots, threw a zillion pitches, and was still going when the 1981 strike split-season lunacy ended.

I'd also note that final season was with the Mets, but that's where all careers go to die.
   7. haggard Posted: May 21, 2014 at 09:22 PM (#4711202)
I was a teenager then, and it's going to be a fun part of old age to be able to tell people that yeah, I saw that guy pitch.

Fun for you.
   8. Howie Menckel Posted: May 21, 2014 at 09:53 PM (#4711213)
lol
   9. theboyqueen Posted: May 21, 2014 at 11:21 PM (#4711262)
“After the game, we spoke as we always do. Jose was concerned about his arm. Despite many exchanges on the subject in the days that followed, he felt that with the Marlins regaining first place in the division, he could not let his team down. Apparently the injury was worse than he believed. In San Diego in the third inning, he suffered a traumatic event, tossed a couple of more innings and the rest is history.”


Who the hell speaks with their lawyer every day? And what was stopping this dumbass lawyer from saying something to the team about this BEFORE Fernandez got hurt, if the thesis here is that somehow pitching through this thigh injury caused his UCL tear?

That said, this article is some pretty flaccid muckraking, at best.
   10. Bhaakon Posted: May 22, 2014 at 12:50 AM (#4711300)
He debuted before the leagues even had divisions, pitched for the "Ball Four" Seattle Pilots, threw a zillion pitches, and was still going when the 1981 strike split-season lunacy ended.


But, for Mike Marshall, the lunacy was just beginning.
   11. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: May 22, 2014 at 01:01 AM (#4711303)
I know health and all that stuff comes first for some people. For me, my team comes first. That’s who I am.... But this is my team and I give my life to my team.


This kid REALLY does not know Jeff Loria and Company. That loyalty will almost certainly not be returned.
   12. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: May 22, 2014 at 02:28 AM (#4711310)
I am sure Loria and Company is not who he is referring to.
   13. bunyon Posted: May 22, 2014 at 07:50 AM (#4711324)
I think that is a noble attitude (team first) and I admire it. But it's also the (fairly typical) short horizon thinking of a 21 year old. Losing your star pitcher for a year and a half is much worse than losing him for six weeks. That assumes a lot of facts not in evidence but you see this a lot: "must play hurt for the good of the team". No, playing hurt (or, injured if you will) generally hurts the team. There are rare exceptions that make it seem glorious but they're exceptions.
   14. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: May 22, 2014 at 08:49 AM (#4711340)
I was a teenager then, and it's going to be a fun part of old age to be able to tell people that yeah, I saw that guy pitch.

Fun for you.

We can't bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught the subway over to Citi Field. I needed to watch Mike Marshall pitch, so, I decided to go to Shea, which is what they called Citi Field in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the subway cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Give me five bees for a quarter," you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
   15. DFA Posted: May 23, 2014 at 01:43 AM (#4711934)
Who the hell speaks with their lawyer every day?


Alex Rodriguez?

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