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Sunday, October 14, 2012

Silva: Does Carlos Beltran Care Now?

Count Benigno: You would play your brains against mine. Against me who has commanded radio stations?

“When you talk about guys that, ya know in my mind here, you talk about guys that don’t care, you’re talking about Carlos Beltran“- Joe Benigno of WFAN.

Mets fans had the privilege of watching Carlos Beltran for seven years and they didn’t even appreciate it. When he signed his contract after the 2004 season, he was to be the crown jewel acquisition of a franchise that wanted to make itself over. The Mets’ finally were going to be a big market team in the mold of the Yankees and Red Sox. Over the next 12 months their new GM, Omar Minaya, promptly signed Beltran, Billy Wagner and traded for Carlos Delgado. When you added in the homegrown Jose Reyes and David Wright, you had the core of a championship team.

...When it’s all said and done, Beltran is probably the best Met during that period. He may be the best all-around player in team history when you factor his gold glove defense in centerfield. You wouldn’t have known it listening to the fans. Beltran will forever be remembered for that Game 7 strikeout. Talk radio types – like Joe Benigno- questioned his passion, this despite the fact he played on two bad knees through a majority of his tenure.

His 30.2 Wins Above Replacement ranks him third for offensive players in team history, behind David Wright and Darryl Strawberry. Eight of those win shares came in 2006, tieing him for most in a single season with Wright (2007). His 334 HRs, 306 SB and an OPS of .856 gives him a great shot at reaching the Hall of Fame. That resume is even more impressive when you factor in the postseason.

In 28 games postseason games Beltran has produced a line of .375/.488/.817 (1.306 OPS), 13 HR, 23 RBI, 37 R, 9 SB (0 CS) and 23 BB. His OBP and SLG are higher than Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig. Friday night, Beltran’s double leading off the 9th set the stage for four runs and an historic comeback.

Repoz Posted: October 14, 2012 at 10:39 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. adenzeno Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:01 AM (#4269338)
I, a Mets fan, ALWAYS appreciated him. His knee problems began(I think) when O Perez gave up a laser in Houston that Beltran caught crashing into the wall in LCF to save a run. He limped off the field but kept playing..I always thought that he would have been better suited as a 2 hole hitter.A great player. I am glad he is in StL where he may have less undeserved bad press.
   2. The District Attorney Posted: October 14, 2012 at 12:21 PM (#4269402)
Wow, blind squirrel.
   3. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: October 14, 2012 at 12:59 PM (#4269435)
Love me some Carlos Beltran. Guy is a natural. What's his stolen base percentage again?
   4. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: October 14, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4269489)
He's got a pretty good shot at HOM, I think, but I'm not good at predicting these things.
   5. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 14, 2012 at 03:22 PM (#4269533)
He's got a pretty good shot at HOM, I think, but I'm not good at predicting these things.
Total shoo-in for the Hall of Merit. First-balloter barring a more stacked ballot than I think I'd anticipate.

Pretty much destined to join Scott Rolen, Larry Walker, Alan Trammell, Bobby Grich, and Reggie Smith on the list of underrated greats of the modern era.
   6. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 14, 2012 at 03:31 PM (#4269538)
Beltran is an almost perfect example of being very good at everything, and really great at nothing, which is an outstanding way to be underrated.

I suppose he's great stealing bases on a percentage basis--which is important--but he never led his league in steals or anything that makes the casual fan go "Wow!"
   7. cardsfanboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4269557)
Pretty much destined to join Scott Rolen, Larry Walker, Alan Trammell, Bobby Grich, and Reggie Smith on the list of underrated greats of the modern era.


And maybe Kenny Lofton.
   8. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 14, 2012 at 03:48 PM (#4269561)
I'm still not sold on the WAR version of Kenny Lofton. I think it's possible he was that good, but I think it's more likely he was merely a solid Hall of Very Good player - in which case he is still generally underrated.

...who's a good comp for an underrated Hall of Very Good player? Bobby Abreu! I think Lofton is more Abreu than Beltran. He was way better than most of the fans realized, but I don't think his absence hurts the Hall of Fame.

Lofton, Abreu, and Beltran are very similar but not identical in their baseball skills, and they each have the sort of all-around talent, including very good on base skills, that leads to being underrated. Beltran was actually good at everything, and he was great in the field and on the bases. Lofton wasn't a good as Beltran as a hitter, because his one weakness was a lack of power. Abreu was a great match for Beltran as a hitter - he was actually a little better because he was an elite OBP hitter - but he didn't have the defensive and baserunning skills of Lofton and Beltran. Beltran was the best of the three, with the best and broadest base of skills, and Lofton and Abreu slot in behind.
   9.   Posted: October 14, 2012 at 03:50 PM (#4269563)
Pretty much destined to join Scott Rolen, Larry Walker, Alan Trammell, Bobby Grich, and Reggie Smith on the list of underrated greats of the modern era.


Good reason not to join the Cardinals.
   10. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 14, 2012 at 03:53 PM (#4269564)
Good reason not to join the Cardinals.
I didn't include Jim Edmonds on the list because I think there's a chance he gets a slow burn 10-year run to the Hall of Fame. But it's possible he'll be another in the Grichpile.
   11. cardsfanboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 04:06 PM (#4269575)
I'm still not sold on the WAR version of Kenny Lofton. I think it's possible he was that good, but I think it's more likely he was merely a solid Hall of Very Good player - in which case he is still generally underrated.


I'm not sold on him yet either, but he's on the periphery of my mind as possibly a guy who as time goes on, could gather value.
   12. cardsfanboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 04:07 PM (#4269579)
Good reason not to join the Cardinals.


2 of those 5 were never Cardinals :)



   13. cardsfanboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4269585)
I didn't include Jim Edmonds on the list because I think there's a chance he gets a slow burn 10-year run to the Hall of Fame. But it's possible he'll be another in the Grichpile.


I hate to say it, because I hate bad things happening to people that help out my "guy/team" but Andruw Jones flameout has to help strengthen Edmonds's chances. Edmonds went from being one of the best centerfielder during his prime, to probably the best thanks to Andruw not accumulating any career numbers. At one point in time it looked like Andruw was going to match Edmonds peak and then blow him away on career making him an also ran. Beltran has passed Edmonds as the best centerfielder since Griffey, but many doesn't see him having the peak that Edmonds had. (whether that is true or not, doesn't change perception)

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