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Saturday, October 27, 2012

Silva: Giants Have Fan Connection Yankees Lack

Scream louder, Bald Vinny. Scream louder.

Those are the type of fans that probably no longer show up to Yankee Stadium due to cost, and the desire to not be treated as an uninvited nuisance by the stadium security Gestapos. A night at AT&T Park sounds like an event, not an invitation-only polo match for the city’s elite.

Are they corny and goofy? Sure. Giants’ fans may have a good number of people who care more about eating, drinking and having a good time. Still, they have a connection to the team and make noise when something positive happens on the field. That is the point of going to a baseball game. It’s the difference between 90% capacity and standing-room only. Even during the post-Barry Bonds down period the team still had solid attendance figures and only fell out of the top-ten one season.

...Giants’ fans like their players and support them. This is conspicuously absent in New York as the big stars don’t seem approachable. They have a boorish and bullying team executive in Randy Levine. Even the most engaging Yankee – Nick Swisher – is largely obnoxious and phony. Derek Jeter’s best trait is a balanced aloofness that helps keep the clubhouse in check, but doesn’t give an approachable warm and fuzzy feeling to fans.

The Yankees proved that 95 wins a year isn’t enough to make the fans happy. There needs to be something more, and it starts with connecting with the 25-man roster.

Watching baseball in San Francisco is a fun party. Watching baseball in New York is a job that requires you to have a second mortgage in which to participate. Add in the personality of the players and you have a perfect fan-team relationship that might propel the Giants to their second World Series title in three years.

That would be one more than the Yankees have won the last decade, and they didn’t need to invest over two billion dollars for it.

Repoz Posted: October 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 27, 2012 at 01:59 PM (#4284964)
god god; who's watching the watchdog?
   2. tshipman Posted: October 27, 2012 at 02:11 PM (#4284972)
...Giants’ fans like their players and support them. This is conspicuously absent in New York as the big stars don’t seem approachable. They have a boorish and bullying team executive in Randy Levine. Even the most engaging Yankee – Nick Swisher – is largely obnoxious and phony. Derek Jeter’s best trait is a balanced aloofness that helps keep the clubhouse in check, but doesn’t give an approachable warm and fuzzy feeling to fans.


I don't get the point here. Giants fans loved Bonds--who wasn't exactly approachable either. Yankee fans don't boo A-Rod because he's not approachable, they boo because of the fan culture. It's not like Posey is super approachable. He's a pretty generic MLB player. Probably the most likeable player on the team (at least in his off-field persona) is Romo, but he's not the most popular player on the team.
   3. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: October 27, 2012 at 02:45 PM (#4284991)
If they won't drop everything they're doing and hang out with you on the stickball diamond, well then #### em, they must think they're better than you.
   4. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 27, 2012 at 04:56 PM (#4285113)
I haven't been to Yankee Stadium this year but I understand these are the complaints: the Yankees have overpriced the seats, leaving a lot of empty ones, and Old Yankee Stadium was steeped at a higher angle, leading to more crowd noise.

   5. cardsfanboy Posted: October 27, 2012 at 05:02 PM (#4285120)
Even the most engaging Yankee – Nick SwisherGiant- Brian Wilson – is largely obnoxious and phony.


Have to love the irony of a fan of the Giants picking on a largely obnoxious and phony.
   6. DanO Posted: October 27, 2012 at 06:59 PM (#4285222)
It's kind of fun to see two articles in one day wishing that some other team was more like the Giants.
   7. Bhaakon Posted: October 27, 2012 at 07:58 PM (#4285271)
Even the most engaging Yankee – Nick SwisherGiant- Brian Wilson – is largely obnoxious and phony.


He's certainly obnoxious, but I'm not sure about phony. I know a lot of people who have run into him around town, and the weirdness is not an act for the camera.
   8. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: October 27, 2012 at 08:10 PM (#4285282)
The weirdest thing for me has been the last few weeks of listening to Giants fans ranting about "bandwagon" fans, or how bad it sucks to have many people rooting for their team, when it is doing well. That seems like a very strange thing to get upset about... and yet a very San Francisco thing to get upset about.
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: October 27, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4285296)
He's certainly obnoxious, but I'm not sure about phony. I know a lot of people who have run into him around town, and the weirdness is not an act for the camera.


I thought about changing it, but couldn't think of anything at the time to change it to.
   10. TerpNats Posted: October 27, 2012 at 11:08 PM (#4285577)
One team's "voice" is Jon Miller, certainly one of the better play-by-play men in the game. The other's is John Sterling, an obnoxious, pompous hack who many of his own team's fans deem a joke and despise. Why be surprised?

Another angle: When the Giants played at Candlestick, San Francisco fans were known for being cynical and boorish. That has all changed with the move to China Basin. Perhaps the Yankees were trying to recapture the "cathedral" feel of the original Yankee Stadium, but it hasn't materialized.
   11. Bhaakon Posted: October 27, 2012 at 11:10 PM (#4285584)


Another angle: When the Giants played at Candlestick, San Francisco fans were known for being cynical and boorish.


I don't think this has changed that much.
   12. The District Attorney Posted: October 27, 2012 at 11:43 PM (#4285679)
I'm guessing that if the Giants' fans expected them to win the World Series every year for 15 straight years, it'd be much the same at the end of the 15 years.
   13. Flynn Posted: October 27, 2012 at 11:57 PM (#4285694)
I don't think Wilson is that obnoxious, in the sense that I too know a lot of people who have run into him and they have all had positive things to say about him.

I mean, dude should definitely teach a class about how to market yourself, but he's not a cynical jerk.

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