Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Wednesday, September 05, 2012

Silverman: Bill James: Good time for return of numbers guru

I guess the Lady of the Dunes and Bayonne Jane Doe cases are just going to have to wait!

Like Henry, James was not a fan of the seven-year, $142 million free agent contract that former left fielder Carl Crawford received, one which was disastrous for many reasons. Of course, when the Crawford signing was made public, there were no reports of any dissension. Those reports only emerged after last September’s collapse, when Henry divulged his own dislike of that deal.

Whether or not Henry was influenced by James is unknown but we do know that while Henry maintains his active inquiry about how the club has entered this current disastrous phase, he is wasting no time making sure that those who stood by, so to speak, in the two years’ time when the club went off the rails in its player acquisition methodology get another chance.

James is getting that chance. First-year general manager Ben Cherington, a big supporter of the Crawford deal while serving under predecessor Theo Epstein, is ready — and willing — to give it to James.

“I’ve wanted to get Bill more involved since I got the job,” Cherington said. “I work with a bunch of people in Boston who are really good. We’ve got a good group of people — scouts, front office, analytic staff — that are in Boston, that I see in Boston, talk to every day and I think it’s important to have someone who is not in that environment to get advice from. And Bill would be an important part of that because besides from the way he sees the world and the way he sees the game, he’s detached enough, he’s not staring at the same stuff all the time, he’s not having the same conversation all the time and you can end up getting biased just by being in that role, so it’s important to have that kind of checks and balances.

“It’s something I’ve wanted to do is get him involved. And John is a supporter of that, too.”

Edit: Link fixed. Jim

Repoz Posted: September 05, 2012 at 01:44 AM | 7 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: red sox, sabermetrics

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Best Regards, L.M. Posted: September 05, 2012 at 06:42 AM (#4226838)
Link does not go to the article.
   2. Best Regards, L.M. Posted: September 05, 2012 at 08:25 AM (#4226873)
Well, now it does.
   3. Rants Mulliniks (formerly Cold Prosimian) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 08:36 AM (#4226877)
I don't see why Henry would have had to have been influenced by anyone to be against giving $142M to a 29-year old LF who had never even hit 20 homers in a season, didn't walk much, and whose value was tied almost exclusively to his speed.
   4. TerpNats Posted: September 05, 2012 at 10:06 AM (#4226926)
I don't see why Henry would have had to have been influenced by anyone to be against giving $142M to a 29-year old LF who had never even hit 20 homers in a season, didn't walk much, and whose value was tied almost exclusively to his speed.
The Bosox equivalent of Dave Collins, 1982 Yankees?
   5. Don Malcolm Posted: September 05, 2012 at 10:58 AM (#4226956)
And the first thing Bill will do is...

...urge them to sign David Ortiz.
   6. villageidiom Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:52 AM (#4227080)
I don't see why Henry would have had to have been influenced by anyone to be against giving $142M to a 29-year old LF who had never even hit 20 homers in a season, didn't walk much, and whose value was tied almost exclusively to his speed.
FWIW, Henry is on record that he didn't like acquiring Crawford because he thought their lineup would be too lefty-heavy.
   7. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: September 05, 2012 at 06:45 PM (#4227659)
The Bosox equivalent of Dave Collins, 1982 Yankees?


Looking at BBREF it seems that Collins was a lot better than I remembered...
Basically my impression was Dave Collins- an early version of Juan Pierre, just not nearly as good, actually he and Pierre were very comparable, Collins a somewhat better hitter...

I had recalled Collins as being basically comparable to Omar Moreno, actually there was quite a lot of daylight between them- in Collins' favor

Collins was execrable his one year in NY, basically he was terrible after leaving Cincy except for 1 year in Toronto

Speed guys age well, except when they don't, Collins didn't, Roger Cedeno didn't...

What it means when a stathead says that speed guys age well, is that if you take 100 speed guys, and 100 old skills guys, the 100 speed guys, on aggregate, will lose 10% a year after age 30, while the old skills guys are losing 11% - in other words, on the individual level it's a meaningless distinction- a speedy 30 year old is SLIGHTLY less likely to cliff dive next year than a slow guy, big whoop de doo.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Sponsor

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Don Malcolm
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogOT: NHL is finally back thread
(362 - 2:42am, May 24)
Last: Robert in Manhattan Beach

NewsblogMariners sending Jesus Montero to Triple-A
(66 - 2:32am, May 24)
Last: rb's team is hopeful for the new year!

NewsblogRichie Ashburn’s Widow in Tears Over His Endangered Gladwyne Grave
(5 - 2:30am, May 24)
Last: Sunday silence

Newsblog[OTP-May] Politico: Congressional baseball game, May 1, 1926
(4284 - 2:17am, May 24)
Last: Joe Kehoskie

NewsblogMets’ Ike Davis On Struggles: ‘I Can’t Do Any Worse’
(24 - 12:28am, May 24)
Last: bobm

NewsblogOT: NBA Monthly Thread - May 2013
(1216 - 12:12am, May 24)
Last: thok

NewsblogDemystifying Red Sox Ownership - What Do They Do? (WEEI)
(27 - 12:06am, May 24)
Last: KT's Pot Arb

NewsblogOMNICHATTER for MAY 23, 2013
(77 - 11:10pm, May 23)
Last: Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim

NewsblogESPN: Forging bond with Pete Rose has helped fuel Joey Votto's desire to be great
(127 - 11:03pm, May 23)
Last: Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond

NewsblogOT: The Soccer Thread, May 2013
(1123 - 10:55pm, May 23)
Last: puck

NewsblogAstros vendor brings snow cones into bathroom stall, gets fired
(21 - 10:03pm, May 23)
Last: Sunday silence

NewsblogLeyland breaks his own rule, lets Verlander get win after delay
(26 - 9:01pm, May 23)
Last: the Hugh Jorgan returns

NewsblogDaugherty: Brandon Phillips has been Reds' MVP so far
(18 - 8:14pm, May 23)
Last: TJ

NewsblogMitchell: Pedroia, Cano and Magical Thinking
(23 - 8:03pm, May 23)
Last: Robert in Manhattan Beach

Hall of Merit2014 Hall of Merit Ballot Discussion
(86 - 8:02pm, May 23)
Last: Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong

Demarini, Easton and TPX Baseball Bats

 

 

 

AllianceTickets.com has cheap MLB Tickets. Get all your Colorado Rockies Tickets, Seattle Mariners Tickets, San Francisco Giants Tickets and all your favorite baseball tickets here. We also carry cheap Denver Broncos Tickets, Seattle Seahawks Tickets and Denver Nuggets Tickets.

For wholesale prices on baseball gifts and equipment, check these stores out!

Baseball Autograph Signings
Baseball Card Supplies
Baseball Memorabilia
Baseball Collectibles
Baseball Equipment
Baseball Protective Gear

Page rendered in 0.1157 seconds
53 querie(s) executed