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Wednesday, September 05, 2012

Silverman: Bill James: Good time for return of numbers guru

I guess the Lady of the Dunes and Bayonne Jane Doe cases are just going to have to wait!

Like Henry, James was not a fan of the seven-year, $142 million free agent contract that former left fielder Carl Crawford received, one which was disastrous for many reasons. Of course, when the Crawford signing was made public, there were no reports of any dissension. Those reports only emerged after last September’s collapse, when Henry divulged his own dislike of that deal.

Whether or not Henry was influenced by James is unknown but we do know that while Henry maintains his active inquiry about how the club has entered this current disastrous phase, he is wasting no time making sure that those who stood by, so to speak, in the two years’ time when the club went off the rails in its player acquisition methodology get another chance.

James is getting that chance. First-year general manager Ben Cherington, a big supporter of the Crawford deal while serving under predecessor Theo Epstein, is ready — and willing — to give it to James.

“I’ve wanted to get Bill more involved since I got the job,” Cherington said. “I work with a bunch of people in Boston who are really good. We’ve got a good group of people — scouts, front office, analytic staff — that are in Boston, that I see in Boston, talk to every day and I think it’s important to have someone who is not in that environment to get advice from. And Bill would be an important part of that because besides from the way he sees the world and the way he sees the game, he’s detached enough, he’s not staring at the same stuff all the time, he’s not having the same conversation all the time and you can end up getting biased just by being in that role, so it’s important to have that kind of checks and balances.

“It’s something I’ve wanted to do is get him involved. And John is a supporter of that, too.”

Edit: Link fixed. Jim

Repoz Posted: September 05, 2012 at 01:44 AM | 7 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: September 05, 2012 at 06:42 AM (#4226838)
Link does not go to the article.
   2. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: September 05, 2012 at 08:25 AM (#4226873)
Well, now it does.
   3. Rants Mulliniks Posted: September 05, 2012 at 08:36 AM (#4226877)
I don't see why Henry would have had to have been influenced by anyone to be against giving $142M to a 29-year old LF who had never even hit 20 homers in a season, didn't walk much, and whose value was tied almost exclusively to his speed.
   4. TerpNats Posted: September 05, 2012 at 10:06 AM (#4226926)
I don't see why Henry would have had to have been influenced by anyone to be against giving $142M to a 29-year old LF who had never even hit 20 homers in a season, didn't walk much, and whose value was tied almost exclusively to his speed.
The Bosox equivalent of Dave Collins, 1982 Yankees?
   5. Don Malcolm Posted: September 05, 2012 at 10:58 AM (#4226956)
And the first thing Bill will do is...

...urge them to sign David Ortiz.
   6. villageidiom Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:52 AM (#4227080)
I don't see why Henry would have had to have been influenced by anyone to be against giving $142M to a 29-year old LF who had never even hit 20 homers in a season, didn't walk much, and whose value was tied almost exclusively to his speed.
FWIW, Henry is on record that he didn't like acquiring Crawford because he thought their lineup would be too lefty-heavy.
   7. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: September 05, 2012 at 06:45 PM (#4227659)
The Bosox equivalent of Dave Collins, 1982 Yankees?


Looking at BBREF it seems that Collins was a lot better than I remembered...
Basically my impression was Dave Collins- an early version of Juan Pierre, just not nearly as good, actually he and Pierre were very comparable, Collins a somewhat better hitter...

I had recalled Collins as being basically comparable to Omar Moreno, actually there was quite a lot of daylight between them- in Collins' favor

Collins was execrable his one year in NY, basically he was terrible after leaving Cincy except for 1 year in Toronto

Speed guys age well, except when they don't, Collins didn't, Roger Cedeno didn't...

What it means when a stathead says that speed guys age well, is that if you take 100 speed guys, and 100 old skills guys, the 100 speed guys, on aggregate, will lose 10% a year after age 30, while the old skills guys are losing 11% - in other words, on the individual level it's a meaningless distinction- a speedy 30 year old is SLIGHTLY less likely to cliff dive next year than a slow guy, big whoop de doo.

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