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According to Heyman, the Dodgers chartered a flight to bring Gonzalez, Beckett, and Punto to LA in time for tonight's game. They're already en route.
He is a lifetime 105+ player as a corner outfielder (where players are expected to hit). He is on the wrong side of 30. He isn't worth half his contract now, and the divergence will get dramatically bigger, every year. It was brilliant for the Red Sox to dump him. He is chum, but paid as if he were caviar.
Like the A's squads of the early 70's or the Yankee squads of the late 70's?
Yes, since my being here there's been a World Series Win. And another. But, as of today, the Red Sox are officially "rebuilding." Yankees/Red Sox is back to what it meant when Pumpsie Green was a Sox. We're pre-Bernie Carbo, in a sense, at this point. The trade is like a time machine. It will be interesting to see how this affects everything from ESPN ratings to BTF.
Edit: Thanks to Lassus for catching my error (now fixed).
The Dodgers seem to be looking at buzz factor/LA eyeballs/bandwidth here as well:
Angels-have Trout, Weaver, and Pujols
Lakers-have Bryant, added Nash and Howard
Clippers-have Paul and Griffin, added Odom
Kings-won Stanley Cup
USC football-off probation, ranked #1 in preseason polls
UCLA basketball-had huge recruiting year, going back to renovated Pauley
So, even with no NFL team in LA, there is a lot going on in LA sports right now, but adding Victorino, Ramirez, Gonzalez, Beckett, and Crawford will keep people talking/writing Dodgers the rest of the way, particularly if they can win the NL West and the Angels miss postseason entirely.
http://twitter.com/Shredderpunto/status/239433228858044416/photo/1
important than Operation Overlord.
1. There is no Red Sox core to BBTF.
2. Go look at the Pirates or current Astros for an example of a rebuilding team.
Then I checked how he has done with the Angels, and saw the reason.
Greinke is pretty well-known, and has his hook, but he is not as big of a name locally/nationally as the others. Also, neither Greinke nor the team has done well since he was acquired, as you note. Jared Weaver is a SoCal guy. Lamar Odom is not a household name, but he is married to a Kardashian and has played most of his career in Los Angeles.
The guys the Dodgers got are not superfamous to casual fans, but they were all acquired from teams with high media profiles (even the Marlins were buzzy early in the season), so in that respect it is different than the Angels getting Greinke in a typical deadline deal.
a) Mostly like the trade for Boston
b) Are generally very interested in stuff like WAR/$ and "market inefficiencies", so they will be more intrigued by the Red Sox than ever. We will see a lot of threads about how the Red Sox "leverage their new payroll flexibility" etc. Even if the Red Sox just suck next year, those guys will still talk about them all the time, and power to them.
I don't know how the more casual/talk radio side of the Boston fanbase will react to this; I would guess a mix of "Good riddance" and "They sold us out!"
As for the rest of 112, I'm not sure what the point was.
The Astros have dynamited their team, it's still an open question if they are going to rebuild it.
Yankees fans have been dwindling over the years and Mets fans have really thinned over the last two. I think the Sox have it clearly.
And even if it did, I think RobinRed's point is a good one. Those of us who are Sox fans are going to chatter endlessly about these guys no matter what, we're a bit twisted.
What core? They've got a legitimate star left (Pedroia) and he's coming off a down year and his second injury shortened year in the last three. Some guys who are capable of being stars but haven't been this year and are not locks to rebound (Ellsbury, Lester). They have some young guys who are good, but none scream frontline talent (Dubront, Buchholz, Middlebrooks). Their bullpen isn't anything special and obviously has some health issues. Salty is alright for a cheap catcher, but he also has a .285 OBP. That's not a core that's going to match up well with the Yanks or the Rays. Am I missing something?
Theoretically, they could lose their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. In reality, I don't think we're going to see all that many qualifying offers made, since a team losing a FA only gains a sandwich pick.
It's not really a loophole. It just means that they won't get De La Rosa until after the end of the season. So if he was someone that the Dodgers needed this year, they may not have done the deal.
I think.
C: Salty/Napoli platoon (Napoli FA 3/21)
1B: Napoli/Reynolds platoon (Reynolds FA 2/14)
2B: Laser Show
SS: Stephen Drew (FA, 2/18)
3B: WMB
RF: Justin Upton (Trade)
CF: Ellsbury
LF: Torii Hunter (FA, 2/18)
DH: Papi w/ Reynolds on days off.
Util OF: Sands/Sweeney
Util IF: Ciriaco/Iglesias
SP: King Felix (Trade)
SP: Zack Greinke (FA 5/100)
SP: Lester
SP: Buchholz
SP: Doubront
CL: Bailey
8th: Bard
7th: Aceves/Morales
LOOGY: Some Dude
LR: Lackey
Contract amounts are also pulled completely out of my ass. So are trades, In my CFBPS world the Sox landed Hernandez without giving up Boegarts.
Napoli at 1B by himself, Lavarnway at C. Sands/Sweeney might handle one of the corners.
King Felix... is this the Onion?
Who are they going to give up to get these guys? Nothing but minor leaguers?
Nope.
Napoli is okay but will cost more than that and isn't a great fit with Lavarnway around, there are better ways to spend that money.
Reynolds completely sucks.
Drew is questionable after his injury issues and also probably not signing that contract.
Justin Upton could happen, but I have no idea what Arizona expects in return at this point.
Torii Hunter would be a waste of money and is a terrible fit for this team.
The Mariners aren't trading Felix, I wish Red Sox fans would just shut the #### up about Felix Hernandez.
Greinke in this market for the money he's going to command? Iffy proposition.
Lackey is in the rotation. Deal with it.
I also don't see Drew getting a long deal, but that's more of an open question. I'm guessing the A's don't pick up his 10m dollar option, and if I'm wrong on that then I'm clearly not understanding his market value.
Reynolds won't have that many suitors. He's the modern day Dave Kingman. He is only 28, so some team might want to make him their starter.
Greinke is probably not the best choice to spend 100m on. I don't think anyone is, this offseason. That's a guess at what it'd take to sign him, though, considering other recent pitchers deals. And at 5 years he'd only be 34 when the contract was over.
Felix, yeah. A boy can dream. The rotation in 2013 is likely to be Lester, Buchholz, Lackey, Doubront, Fill-In-Name-Here.
I don't think there's going to be much of a market for Torii Hunter, who remains a very useful ballplayer and who won't command a long contract. He's been a ~3 WAR player each year the last 3 years, and at short money makes a lot of sense for the Red Sox given the dearth of other options.
The parallels to Mike Cameron after 2009 are eerie.
Reynolds is horrible even when he's at his best. He can't field or hit.
Drew is an SS who has had a couple .800 seasons and is still young. I can't see him not getting 4-5 years.
Hunter wouldn't bother me for a year or two.
What's weird is that Danny Glover isn't dead, at least according to Google.
Libertarian lawyers, sure, but they're also mostly Red Sox fans who love steroids and root for the Three True Outcomes, live in their momma's basement, get all their facts of life and sport from porno sites and BB-Reference, and think that the postseason is wildly overrated by unfair HoF voters who don't have a clue about what the game is really all about. Have I left anything out?
I think there's a pretty good chance that alcohol was involved.
What's weirder is that I thought he died a few weeks ago.
The part about seat-rest positions on airplanes.
And Mike Crudale.
What's weirder is that I thought he died a few weeks ago.
No that was Danny Aiello.
I didn't know he was dead, period, so that's not who I'm thinking of. Weird.
Clearly, Danny Glover did die a few weeks ago, but reality has changed since then, so none of the rest of you remember it & I only vaguely do.
Man, do I hate it when that happens.
Pavement, Professional Wrestling & Video Games are also important to the lower Primates, or so I've heard. Such tastes have no doubt led to the profusion of BBTF advertisements for Asian Brides, Latin Ladies & bed bug remedies.
But I don't think the site will change with the rebuild; if anything, it'll keep more Sox fans around than a couple years of boring stagnation. And I don't think the Sox are the heart of BTF. Sabremetrics doesn't quite do it either, but the thinking fan's baseball site works nicely. There's a lot of thinking about measuring performance/value, a lot of thinking about baseball history, a lot of well thought out jokes and references, and probably too much thinking about politics. And the diversity of allegiances really helps the discussion. It just so happens that there are a lot of thinking Red Sox fans.
that's a lucky one for the editors at the LA times. they'd have a hard time deciding whether glover should get more ink and a better page one position than armstrong.
for the rest of the country its a slam dunk, armstrong is front page. but armstrong was never in a franchise that grossed as much as lethal weapon.
So of course I had to look him up on Wikipedia. He's only 66. Which means that in Lethal Weapon, when he was a week away from retirement, he was 41. And the young whippersnapper he was partnered with was played by and actor who was 31. I did not know that.
I did know, however, that Sean Connery played Harrison Ford's father despite there being only a 12-year age difference, and that Lionel Jefferies played Dick Van Dyke's father despite being a year younger than him.
Yeah, but the special effects of the moon landing hoax were amazing!
Oh ####, are you in 2Q12? That's rough man.
I remain baffled as to why Loney kept his job as long as he did.
3 Run shot. In his first at bat for the Dodgers.
I love it when a plan comes together.
Same story for Yvonne DeCarlo and her dad, Al Lewis.
I believe Mr. Furtado is a Red Sox fan and is one of the chief contributors to linking to Red Sox material in the newsblog.
Angela Landsbury played the mother in the Manchurian Candidate and she was 36 yrs old. Her son was played by an actor who was 33 yrs old.
Virtually every single Aaron Spelling teen show featured 20 somethings and occasionally 30 somethings be cast as 16 year olds.
He boarded a plane to Israel this afternoon with Pumpsie Green and Gene Conley, and hasn't been seen or heard from since.
Elizabeth Taylor played a grandmother in Giant at 24, while her son (Dennis Hopper) was 20.
Well, to be fair to Stone and his casting decisions that movie spanned 25 years or so of Alexander's life.
Was it "Big"? Because there was a reason Tom Hanks played a 13 year old boy in that one.
Ann Jillian died of breast cancer...then she didn't. William Hickey died three times until he finally stupidly died the same day Burt Lancaster died so now no one would know...then those dates changed too. Stupid matrix.
Because ages 20-21 are so predictive of age 31 performance we should include them?
Crawford is averaging a 110 OPS+ the last 3 years, including his two disastrous, injury plagued, Red Sox years(113 over 2009-2011). He's averaging a 110 all the way back to age 23.
And because base running and steals aren't offense, just OPS+? He's also 70 for 86 in steals the last three years, that's over 20 extra bases a year.
And of course defense doesn't matter in the corners.
If you are going to spend $20+ million a year on a player, Boston, please make sure it is on elite ballplayers. Crawford was not an elite ballplayer, and he certainly is not, now. Hamilton and Greinke are not elite ball players (well, Hamilton may be, but I certainly wouldn't want to bet on him being elite for the next three to five years). If there aren't elite ballplayers available this offseason, then don't pay elite money this off season! This is how the John Lackey deal happened. He was the best pitcher available in a lousy market.
ROTFL. At best, the Red Sox come in fourth place after extreme left wing politics, the National Basketball Association, and soccer.
Okay, but that includes a career year that he's probably never going to replicate.
Because he averaged over 4 WAR per season from 2004-2010 and was under 30 years old when signed. The WAR total was 9th in all of MLB during that time period. Of course that gives a lot of credit to his defense and if you don't trust the defensive calculations you should adjust but he was legitimately a star player for several years.
I also hate hate hate the argument that Fenway diminishes his defense. While that's true too many Sox teams in my life have been sunk because they were built for Fenway then got squished on the road. The Sox play as many games away from Fenway as they do at Fenway and having an elite defender has an impact in those games.
It didn't work out obviously but I think it is incorrect to say he was not a very good to great player when signed.
Serious question: why do people think that Justin Upton is such an elite ballplayer?
But it's not an argument, it's a fact. The Red Sox had their greatest success with Ramirez and Bay out in left, and I see no compelling argument for putting a player in a position to fail in half his games. Crawford was a good player who went to the worst possible team, and the Sox should have seen that coming.
dude, we're talking L.A. here.
and jessie royce landis played cary grant's mother in north by northwest even though they were only separated by about two years ....
this stuff happens all the time. they're actors.
Lea Thompson is ten days older than her Back to the Future "son" Michael J. Fox, but of course that shouldn't count at all because A) the characters end up being the same age and B) the old-age makeup is so bad no one could believe it anyway.
My "naïve" comment was a worse (although, I will say, more movie-referencing) way to express #164.
First question: why even put De La Rosa on waivers? Wouldn't he get claimed by basically every other team in baseball?
Second question: assuming he was put on waivers, how in the world would he fall to the Blue Jays? I guess this just means the Jays put in the first claim on him, or the final claim before the waivers were withdrawn, not that they had any kind of priority in their claim. Seems silly to even mention the Jays then. Maybe the Blue Jays are like that guy who always responds immediately to emails, even in the middle of the night, and you wonder why they were even awake at that time...
Regarding the PTBNL, it would interesting to see what would happen if De La Rosa sustained a serious injury (er, another serious injury) between now and the end of the season -- I wonder who or what else the Red Sox could get instead? Or, it would be cool if the Dodgers just told De La Rosa to "let 'er rip" in September and possible playoffs and took the anti-Strasburg strategy with him, since he's likely going away anyway. Not that he'd provide value, but it would be interesting.
I get the sense that since so many players are placed on waivers this time of year, teams don't claim everyone they should. It used to be back in the day you could even slip valuable players through waivers. But I would guess most teams didn't figure de la Rosa would clear waivers, and if he did, the Dodgers would pull him back, so what's the point?
I'm always a little surprised, though, when a guy like Gonzalez goes unclaimed, or Manny Ramirez in 2003. Seems like someone could benefit from adding them, even at that salary.
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