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Sunday, February 16, 2014

Silverman: Pedroia cut from same cloth as Jeter

Plus there’s already more Black Ink spilled on Pedroia’s cloth 11 to 10. (H/T…Ink spot removers Brian & Bill Kenny)

The Red Sox have their own Derek Jeter.

His name is Dustin Pedroia.

As the baseball community paused to come to grips with Wednesday’s announcement that the Yankees captain and shortstop of the past 20 seasons will make 2014 his swansong season, the news reinforced the notion that the Red Sox already have a franchise player and de facto captain, who could, by the end of his career, leave just as great of a legacy as Jeter will.

Pedroia is only eight seasons into his Red Sox career, but he already is well on his way toward blazing a career path that follows — nearly to a T — the one blazed by Jeter.

...Pedroia’s bachelor life didn’t last long and it never made the headlines like Jeter’s did, but that’s perhaps the biggest difference between the two. Another? While neither gets in trouble off the field, Jeter is better at biting his tongue than Pedroia, who sometimes can’t keep his emotions bottled up when a microphone nears him. Pedroia’s outward confidence mirrors Jeter’s more inward-directed, but he exudes no less assuredness that he is capable of making every play on the field and being able to deliver the key hit at any point of a regular season or postseason.

The two are so alike.

The Yankees were so lucky to have Derek Jeter for two decades.

Same with the Red Sox and Dustin Pedroia.

Repoz Posted: February 16, 2014 at 08:24 AM | 56 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. JE (Jason) Posted: February 16, 2014 at 08:47 AM (#4657552)
How cool would it be if Pedroia announced that he was leaving the game after this season? Dueling retirement parties are just what America needs right now.
   2. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 16, 2014 at 09:14 AM (#4657554)
The funny thing is that both many Yankee fans and Red Sox fans will take this comparison as an insult. Such is the way of unreconstructed tribalism, NE corridor style.
   3. Publius Publicola Posted: February 16, 2014 at 09:33 AM (#4657558)
Pedroia earns his gold gloves. Jeter doesn't.

Big difference.
   4. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: February 16, 2014 at 09:46 AM (#4657561)
Putting aside the rank partisanship, I think Ortiz is more like Jeter than Pedroia.

Among other things, they share defensive value.
   5. BDC Posted: February 16, 2014 at 10:39 AM (#4657567)
Pedroia cut from same cloth as Jeter


Except it shrunk a bit.
   6. Publius Publicola Posted: February 16, 2014 at 11:23 AM (#4657584)
Jeter always struck me more as a company man than a leader. For instance, I cant imagine him publicly calling out his teams manager for unfairly disparaging a teammate. Jeter, if asked, would just give one of his typically evasive, politically-correct responses, taking absolutely no risk to his reputation or his standing with Yankee upper management.

If you want to stereotype him, he's like the teachers pet.
   7. Moeball Posted: February 16, 2014 at 11:53 AM (#4657598)
I don't know either of these guys personally, of course, but I'm guessing this much:

1) When A-Rod joined the Yankees, it's pretty clear that at that time, Torre felt he couldn't tell Jeter to change positions. Why? We can only guess but I would guess it's because Jeter isn't the "team" player the NY media loves to proclaim he is, and he would have thrown a hissy fit if Torre had done the right thing and told him to move his a** off of shortstop.

2) For all the jokes we make about the gift baskets - and how much of this stuff is actually true or not is anybody's guess - but if it is true, quite frankly it tells you that Jeter treats women like sh**, and really believes they deserve to be treated as such. This is not something to be proud of.

Maybe it's just the whole NY-Boston thing, but if I were Dustin Pedroia I wouldn't aspire to be Derek Jeter. I think Dustin should aim higher than that, both as a player and as a person.
   8. Publius Publicola Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:00 PM (#4657602)
I think Dustin should aim higher than that, both as a player and as a person.


I assume he's aimed higher because he's already there.
   9. toratoratora Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:12 PM (#4657611)
I don't see them being anything alike.
If they were neighborhoods in their cities, Jeter would be Wall Street, cold, well dressed, aloof,prima donna.

Pedroia though, he's all Southie.


   10. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:16 PM (#4657616)
For all the jokes we make about the gift baskets - and how much of this stuff is actually true or not is anybody's guess - but if it is true, quite frankly it tells you that Jeter treats women like sh**, and really believes they deserve to be treated as such. This is not something to be proud of.

I suspect that most if not all of the gift basket recipients go into their trysts with his Jeterness with their eyes open, and are using him in much the same way he's using them.

That said, if the reports are accurate, there is something off-putting to me about the calculated nature of his conquests, which is all of a piece with his careful maintenance of his public image.

What baffles me about the Jeter-worship is not that so many people overrate him as a player (I acknowledge that he actually was very, very good), but that so many also treat him as a paragon of human virtue. He might indeed be a wonderful person in his private life (sexual foibles notwithstanding) but where's the evidence of this?
   11. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:22 PM (#4657619)
The Red Sox closest to Jeter is Lester. He never says anything interesting, has a chip on his shoulder that he generally hides but its there and is overrated by his fans and underrated by his detractors (I lean to the latter admittedly).
   12. Knock on any Iorg Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:38 PM (#4657625)
I read this on my phone as "Silverman: Pedroia cut" and thought ALREADY??
   13. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:42 PM (#4657631)
I actually do not see a lot in common between the two. In terms of style, looks, communication skills and habits, and "smoothness" in the field, wouldn't Jacoby Ellsbury be a better comp for Jeter? Wouldn't Pedroia be more like a poor man's Joe Morgan or something?
   14. Darren Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:08 PM (#4657646)
I'm sure Pedroia does actually aspire to be like Jeter because he's said so many times, I believe. Pedroia has shown willingness to change positions when the Sox were looking for a SS a couple years ago, but then again, he had not yet reached Jeter's status. I will be shocked, but vvvvvveeeerrrryyy happy if Pedroia ages as well as Jeter did.
   15. valuearbitrageur Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:09 PM (#4657647)
2) For all the jokes we make about the gift baskets - and how much of this stuff is actually true or not is anybody's guess - but if it is true, quite frankly it tells you that Jeter treats women like sh**, and really believes they deserve to be treated as such. This is not something to be proud of.


How many men send one night stands gift baskets?

how high a bar you setting?
   16. valuearbitrageur Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:15 PM (#4657650)
That said, if the reports are accurate, there is something off-putting to me about the calculated nature of his conquests, which is all of a piece with his careful maintenance of his public image.


If a girl gives you her number, and you have an assistant call her and ask her to meet you at your penthouse at 10 pm this evening,
and she shows up, how is that a "conquest"?

And if it is, who is conquesting who?
   17. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:18 PM (#4657653)
For all the nitpicking about who'd a better player or a better person or who's "Wall Street" and who's "Southie", Jeter and Pedroia have the most important thing in common: They're both the heart and soul of their respective franchises.
   18. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:21 PM (#4657654)
How many men send one night stands gift baskets?

How many men send one night stands gift baskets containing souvenirs about them?
   19. Swedish Chef Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:23 PM (#4657658)
how is that a "conquest"?

To be fair to Jeter, he's had a number of high-profile girlfriends that probably were more of a challenge to woo.
   20. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:24 PM (#4657659)
1) When A-Rod joined the Yankees, it's pretty clear that at that time, Torre felt he couldn't tell Jeter to change positions


Not stipulated. That certainly might be true, but equally plausible is that Torre made this decision himself, for baseball reasons.

I think the most likely scenario was that someone from the Yankees said, "We can get you out of Texas, but we already have a shortstop." And Rod immediately said that this cannot be the reason for the trade to fall through. Remember that one Rod trade had already been nixed at that time.
   21. Publius Publicola Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:37 PM (#4657677)
But not for baseball only reasons.
   22. valuearbitrageur Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:38 PM (#4657681)
How many men send one night stands gift baskets containing souvenirs about them?


That's an even better point, when this poor guy is corralled by one of the thousands of pretty girls stalking him, not only does he give them exactly what they want, but also a memorable souvenir commemorating the occasion they can keep for the rest of their life.

And besides the herpes, also a gift basket.
   23. JE (Jason) Posted: February 16, 2014 at 01:43 PM (#4657684)
How does Jeter compare with his contemporaries vis-a-vis charity? (No, I'm not talking about the gift baskets.) A quick look at the Turn 2 Foundation's 990 form for 2011 shows him giving well over $500K but does he still participate in their events?
   24. Jack Keefe Posted: February 16, 2014 at 02:06 PM (#4657700)
How many men send one night stands gift baskets containing souvenirs about them?

I ast my pal A.J. Pierogi and he said off course he does Al. Here is what 1 lucky lady gets in her Pierogi Pack:

- autographed baseball
- anatomically correct chocolate Pierogi Pop
- AJ Pierogi R-rated Advent Calendar
- 1,250 Green Stamps
- mood ring that glows bright green when you're back in a Pierogi Packing Frame of Mind
- expired Illinois fishing license from a randomly selected member of the 2005 White Sox
- 15-minute highlight video of the previous night's carnal activities with color commentary by Tim McCarver
   25. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: February 16, 2014 at 02:15 PM (#4657702)
We all know that Jack is an interesting guy; it's tough to go right after post #24.

But the whole gift basket thing - if 100% true - strikes me as an extremely lawyerly way to insulate oneself from possible sexual lawsuits. At the end of it, women receive something of monetary value, which if accepted makes it very difficult to prove later that the sex was not consensual.

It wouldn't really surprise me if it turns out that they have to sign a release beforehand.
   26. frannyzoo Posted: February 16, 2014 at 02:22 PM (#4657707)
When all is written and done, it's really just Jack Keefe here at BBTF... and the rest of us. One man among boys (and a girl, maybe two).
   27. Publius Publicola Posted: February 16, 2014 at 02:31 PM (#4657712)
- 15-minute highlight video of the previous night's carnal activities with color commentary by Tim McCarver


Jack would have said "carnival" but other than that, spot on.
   28. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 16, 2014 at 02:47 PM (#4657723)
It wouldn't really surprise me if it turns out that they have to sign a release beforehand.

wow--instead of a pre-nup, it's a pre-fuck
   29. Sunday silence Posted: February 16, 2014 at 02:50 PM (#4657724)
not sure accepting a gift basket in return for sex is as legally sound as you think it is.
   30. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: February 16, 2014 at 02:53 PM (#4657725)
For some reason, the MLB lawyers still put the "if you use this ticket to a ballgame, MLB is not liable for injuries sustained from batted balls" on the back of tickets, which is completely not sustainable.
   31. valuearbitrageur Posted: February 16, 2014 at 03:05 PM (#4657727)
For some reason, the MLB lawyers still put the "if you use this ticket to a ballgame, MLB is not liable for injuries sustained from batted balls" on the back of tickets, which is completely not sustainable.


The "if you tear open this condom Derek Jeter is not liable for any claims you may later make" language on the Jeter Signature Magnums has never been successfully challenged in court

At the end of it, women receive something of monetary value, which if accepted makes it very difficult to prove later that the sex was not consensual


Because it establishes them as hookers?

I think any woman bringing a sexual assault claim against Derek Jeter in NYC has a huge burden of proof to make to show sex wasn't enthusiastically consensual. The jury may convict her of assaulting him if they regard her as unworthy.
   32. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: February 16, 2014 at 03:11 PM (#4657729)
Because it establishes them as hookers?


Absolutely not. But it makes the "If you didn't want to do this, why did you take the gift basket with the DJ keychain?" question in court really difficult to answer.
   33. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: February 16, 2014 at 03:15 PM (#4657730)
Strange, I've always thought Jeter's decision to stay a bachelor during his playing career was one of the more honorable ones made by a famous athlete. There's a puritanical queasiness and humorlessness about this thread. Remember, sex is natural, sex is fun.
   34. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 16, 2014 at 03:45 PM (#4657739)
15-minute highlight video of the previous night's carnal activities with color commentary by Tim McCarver

"A.J. is too far in! You can't be that shallow in this situation!"
   35. ??'s Biggest Fan! Posted: February 16, 2014 at 04:25 PM (#4657741)
You know, Jeter has never actually done anything to cause problems for his team and their fans on or off the field. It seems that to a lot of posters here, that in itself makes him guilty of something. It's an attitude I can't recall any other player being subjected to. I find it fascinating that Jeter's lack of controversy can now be used against him. I don't mind snark, but now it just seems petty and paranoid. I agree the media overhyped Jeter's value, but it would also appear that the uniform Jeter wears has colored the opinions of the usually player-friendly and coherent group of baseball fans on this site.
   36. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 16, 2014 at 04:36 PM (#4657745)
I agree the media overhyped Jeter's value, but it would also appear that the uniform Jeter wears has colored the opinions of the usually player-friendly and coherent group of baseball fans on this site.

In other breaking developments, the Earth is round, global warming is real, and the NRA doesn't care much for gun control.
   37. valuearbitrageur Posted: February 16, 2014 at 04:39 PM (#4657747)
Remember, sex is natural, sex is fun.


If I've learned anything from thousands of hours of relentless porn watching, it's that neither of those things are true.
   38. bobm Posted: February 16, 2014 at 04:48 PM (#4657754)
How many men send one night stands home the next day in a livery car with gift baskets containing souvenirs about them?

FTFY

“Derek has girls stay with him at his apartment in New York, and then he gets them a car to take them home the next day. Waiting in his car is a gift basket containing signed Jeter memorabilia, usually a signed baseball,” the friend dished.


http://nypost.com/2011/12/13/jeter-gives-autograph-swag-to-one-night-stands/
   39. Walt Davis Posted: February 16, 2014 at 04:59 PM (#4657760)
Jeter: gift basket
Pedroia: bouquet of petunias
   40. Lars6788 Posted: February 16, 2014 at 05:40 PM (#4657775)
Pedroia is gonna be ball washed the way Jeter has been for the next 10 years - book on it unless he turns into Chuck Knoblauch.

Off tabloid articles, I love how Jeter's character is speculated on by guys that supposedly think smarter than the average fan.
   41. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: February 16, 2014 at 09:40 PM (#4657828)
Strange, I've always thought Jeter's decision to stay a bachelor during his playing career was one of the more honorable ones made by a famous athlete. There's a puritanical queasiness and humorlessness about this thread.


Spot on. Single, good looking, fit, wealthy guy meets women has lots of sex. I'm not sure what is news here. The fact that he's decided not to settle down obviously is working really well for him. I believe George Brett made a similar conscious decision to hold off settling down before his playing days were over. He was..well, single, good looking, fit and wealthy...and banged a bucket load of women. I am happy to admit, I'd probably do the same. Except now I'm old, married, poor, unfit and have 5 kids.
   42. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 16, 2014 at 11:10 PM (#4657850)
Spot on. Single, good looking, fit, wealthy guy meets women has lots of sex. I'm not sure what is news here.

Wait, are we talking about Jeter or The Good Face?
   43. toratoratora Posted: February 17, 2014 at 12:00 AM (#4657860)
Not settling down with one lady was one of the smartest moves Jeter ever made. The difference between Tiger and Jetes is simple-Tiger got married.

Considering the divorce and bankruptcy rates/stats on athletes, the last thing a player should ever do is get married pre-retirement. It's probably the single worst financial decision an athlete can make (Well, except for maybe fathering 17 kids out of wedlock-that's an expensive hobby too).
Single and living large is the way to go.
   44. Walt Davis Posted: February 17, 2014 at 12:18 AM (#4657864)
The difference between Tiger and Jetes is simple-Tiger got married.

Also I personally find Jessica Biel about 1000 times more attractive than the women Tiger is known to have dallied with. (Tiger's ex is quite pretty.)

I have not collected all of the trading cards but, based on the ones I'm aware of, Mr. Jeter has displayed excellent taste in women in terms of looks at least and apparently discretion and litigiousness.
   45. base ball chick Posted: February 17, 2014 at 12:41 AM (#4657870)
post 35

i'm not sure if it is completely about jeter being a yankee, but it is about the media pro-offering up jeter as some sort of saint. that, and the nonsense about him being the best baseball player who ever lived, not merely the best yankee who ever lived

it's not enough that he's a good ballplayer, noooooooo. he has to be worshipped for His Being

as for the young, rich, single, gorgeous thing
well, if i was,
i'd like to say i'd live a madonna/jeter lifestyle
but
i am not real too sure i could bang em and throw em away like a used condom. no matter how hot/rich i was. and i am not real too sure that being able to do this and send them on their way with an autographed bbc anatomically correct chocolate youknowwhat is really such a saintly thing to do
   46. mex4173 Posted: February 17, 2014 at 12:46 AM (#4657872)
I'm not sure what is news here.


His relationships (and "relationships") were treated much differently than those of other athletes like A-Rod and Tony Romo.

It always annoyed me, but I guess this isn't really Jeter's fault...
   47. Knock on any Iorg Posted: February 17, 2014 at 01:11 AM (#4657879)
I always suspected the reason Mr. Jeter never got married was that he was batting for both teams. He REALLY wanted to play the field, if you know what I mean.
   48. base ball chick Posted: February 17, 2014 at 02:04 AM (#4657894)
well the joke was always about him and mr. rodriguez
a few of my gay male friends also think that mt saint swings both ways and wouldn't that be AWESOME if he was the first active ballplayer to come out?

then i WOULD hafta agree that he is saintly
   49. Lars6788 Posted: February 17, 2014 at 02:22 AM (#4657899)

Also I personally find Jessica Biel about 1000 times more attractive than the women Tiger is known to have dallied with. (Tiger's ex is quite pretty.)


Tiger has had relations with mostly porn stars, escorts and and that one odd woman who was a waitress - I would argue in a twisted way, that his tastes reflect more of a regular guy's preferences and besides the fact he's Tiger, maybe a more realistic stable of women that the number of actress/starlet types that has been seen with Jeter.

We all know he's da Jeter but it's almost like he's with all the actress/starlet types because they are trophies to parade around...err, as beards?

As for getting married, I think at some point, your corporate sponsors / endorsers want to paint a picture of you as some sort of family fan, especially when you are a professional athlete that has some worldwide appeal.
   50. Howie Menckel Posted: February 17, 2014 at 10:22 AM (#4657937)

"Strange, I've always thought Jeter's decision to stay a bachelor during his playing career was one of the more honorable ones made by a famous athlete. There's a puritanical queasiness and humorlessness about this thread."

The disconnect is that while many find his tomcatting impressive or envy-worthy, "classy" is not the word too many would come up with. Many of the mouthbreathers calling in to radio stations seem like traditional folks who aren't admiring Jeter's prolific efforts, but handing him some sort of reputation for stoicism and restraint that doesn't match a well-chronicled narrative at all.

Brett is a better example of a guy admired for his adventurousness as a bachelor yet wasn't deified for it. Putting Jeter on a higher plane in that respect doesn't really make sense.
   51. BDC Posted: February 17, 2014 at 10:25 AM (#4657940)
last thing a player should ever do is get married pre-retirement

One factor, of course, is that golfers never retire. A baseball star can schedule a happy family life for age 35, no later than 40 if he's an all-time great. Tiger Woods will be teeing off to open the Masters when he's 106.
   52. Moeball Posted: February 17, 2014 at 11:09 AM (#4657969)
How many men send one night stands gift baskets?

how high a bar you setting?


Many men are looking for sex without consequences. Many men also have the emotional maturity of a 12-year old.

If a girl gives you her number, and you have an assistant call her and ask her to meet you at your penthouse at 10 pm this evening, and she shows up, how is that a "conquest"?

And if it is, who is conquesting who?


Point taken that this is a two-way street, but just because someone else has very low self-esteem doesn't mean you should try to reinforce that opinion.

equally plausible is that Torre made this decision himself, for baseball reasons.


Oh, that's right, I'm sorry, I forgot - Jeter was a brilliant defensive shortstop who truly deserved his 5 Gold Gloves.

My bad. I stand corrected.
   53. Jim Kaat on a hot Gene Roof Posted: February 17, 2014 at 06:33 PM (#4658199)
Both are very, very good players who appear to play the game right. There is something, however, about Jeter that strikes his non-fans as fake and creepy, but which is too easily dismissed as male jealousy or a manifestation of generic (and righteous, IMO) hatred of Yankees or both.

FWIW Pedroia is the ugliest bastard currently in MLB, HOF level ugly, up there with Otis Nixon and Don Mossi. Pedroia looks like the grown offspring of a turkey vulture mated to a Xindi Avian, who then decided he wasn't homely enough and so cut the face off young Charles Montgomery Burns and wore it as a mask. And his weird tics and mannerisms (the crazy eye-widening thing he does every time he steps out of the box, as if he's just inhaled an invisible amyl nitrate popper) contribute to the sum total of Otherness; he's only an "Everyman" figure to the most rabid Sox fanboys.
   54. vivaelpujols Posted: February 17, 2014 at 06:36 PM (#4658201)
Damn I don't think Pedroia's that ugly.
   55. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 17, 2014 at 08:09 PM (#4658235)
Pedroia's not even in the Top 5 of the ugliest guy on the Red Sox (not that it makes Pedroia necessarily handsome, just that the Sox are rather grotesque).

Buchholz, Lackey, Gomes, Napoli (as the woodsman) and Ross all have him beat. And they lost one of the bigger uggos when Salty moved on.

   56. toratoratora Posted: February 17, 2014 at 08:51 PM (#4658250)
I have not collected all of the trading cards but, based on the ones I'm aware of, Mr. Jeter has displayed excellent taste in women in terms of looks at least and apparently discretion and litigiousness.

True, but, from what I understand, unless he gets seen in public with someone by the Paparazzi,the press finds out about Jete's "conquests" from Jeter's people.
We have no idea who he takes home on an average basis because we're only shown the creme de la creme.
That said, yeah, Jete's has had pick of the litter for two decades and he's demonstrated quite the discerning eye, one that's much aided his, ahem, OBP

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