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Thursday, August 28, 2014

Simmons’ run-saving stop

On the other hand, Fredi Gonzalez says Juan Lagares is the best center fielder in the league, so… we’re even, right?

Andrelton Simmons fields a grounder in the outfield grass, jumping and throwing to first to end the 8th and keep the Braves ahead

 

The District Attorney Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:20 AM | 35 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Cargo Cultist Posted: August 28, 2014 at 01:34 AM (#4780626)
Wow. Just wow.
   2. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: August 28, 2014 at 02:40 AM (#4780637)
I'd be tempted to score that as a 7-3 putout.

And Coke to [1].
   3. Scott Lange Posted: August 28, 2014 at 06:48 AM (#4780650)
Fantastic, freaky good play, and that's before I realized that the game-tying run was at third in the bottom of the 8th.
   4. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 28, 2014 at 07:18 AM (#4780655)
That was ridiculous. The amount of ground he covered then to be able to get as much in the throw as he did...damn.
   5. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: August 28, 2014 at 07:45 AM (#4780659)
I know it is harder to quantify defense than offense, generally speaking, but how valuable was that defensive play (that pretty much nobody else makes)?

Saving a game-tying run in the bottom of the 8th inning is about as good as a game-winning home run, is it not?
   6. Mom makes botox doctors furious Posted: August 28, 2014 at 07:58 AM (#4780661)
Jeter'esque!
   7. Sweet Posted: August 28, 2014 at 08:28 AM (#4780671)
I was at the game, sitting behind the Mets dugout in the midst of a gaggle of elderly gentlemen with several hundred years' worth of baseball-watching among them, and we all agreed that was about as good a play as we had ever seen a shortstop make.
   8. formerly dp Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:12 AM (#4780678)
Yeah, an amazing play.

Lagares has turned out to be a legit elite defender in CF. Flores looks surprisingly good at 2B; haven't seen many of his games at SS. Tejada let what ended up being the winning run come home when he botched a routine play, just ugly.
   9. The District Attorney Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:21 AM (#4780680)
Jeter'esque!
You laugh, but this is what Zack Wheeler actually said.

Ah well, we pay him to pitch, not to evaluate players.
   10. Lassus Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:22 AM (#4780681)
The Mets had numerous opportunities at the plate to make the Simmons play irrelevant. Sadly, that did not occur.
   11. formerly dp Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:45 AM (#4780692)
You laugh, but this is what Zack Wheeler actually said.
Maybe he reads BTF, and was also being sarcastic...?
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The Mets had numerous opportunities at the plate to make the Simmons play irrelevant. Sadly, that did not occur.
Tejada's AB in the 9th really surprised me-- for whatever reason, Kimbrel had been a little wild in the inning, and Tejada swung at the first pitch (which looked out of the zone to me). I know having Flores bunt was the textbook play, but I really wanted to see him swinging away. Not having Murphy available to PH really killed them.
   12. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:53 AM (#4780696)
for whatever reason, Kimbrel had been a little wild in the inning


Kimbrel's been human this year.
   13. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: August 28, 2014 at 10:08 AM (#4780707)
@Sweet/7

I was at the game, too! This absolutely took the air out of the place, no? Granted, Kimbrel gave us a bit of hope before that was dashed too.

I was sitting in RF, not too far back. The row behind mine was pretty well splattered with bird ####, and I couldn't help but notice the two piles of vomit to my left. Random baseball observation about the gf: she was REALLY dismayed she couldn't see the big screen.
   14. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: August 28, 2014 at 10:37 AM (#4780735)
Tejada's AB in the 9th really surprised me-- for whatever reason, Kimbrel had been a little wild in the inning, and Tejada swung at the first pitch (which looked out of the zone to me)


I think Tejada probably had the sense that getting deep into the count with Craig Kimbrel was a bad idea, even with his control issues. It's one thing if you're Joey Votto, but Ruben Tejada's best bet with Kimbrel might well be to swing at the first hittable fastball and hope something good happens. With a drawn-in infield, he didn't even have to hit the ball very well for something good to happen. Any sort of contact there is a good play for the offense. Fortunately, he happened to chop the ball right to a corner infielder.
   15. Lassus Posted: August 28, 2014 at 10:54 AM (#4780757)
Duda's first-pitch swinging in the 8th was worse than Tejada's in the 9th.
   16. billyshears Posted: August 28, 2014 at 11:08 AM (#4780776)
Great play, but d'Arnaud is really slow.

Lagares is just outstanding. The Mets have really had some great defensive OFs over the past 10 years. Endy Chavez was amazing, but Lagares is getting awfully close to that level. Beltran and Cameron weren't exactly slouches either.
   17. bunyon Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4780841)
Great play, but d'Arnaud is really slow.

Has to be. No way anyone makes that play with a speedy, or even average, runner.

There were only two things wrong with that play: Chip Carey and the loud FOX music.
   18. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:53 PM (#4780878)
I posted this in chatter last night.

The Mets have had a lot of really good defensive centerfielders over the last decade. Cameron, Beltran, Chavez, and Pagan. Lagares is better than those guys except for the possible exception of Chavez.


Almost word for word to #16. The hivemind lives.

   19. billyshears Posted: August 28, 2014 at 01:28 PM (#4780900)
Ha - this is what happens when one posts on the same message board for over 10 years.
   20. SG Posted: August 28, 2014 at 02:56 PM (#4780977)
Looks like a good play to me. Not a great one. Virtually every SS in the league could have made it.
   21. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 28, 2014 at 03:26 PM (#4780995)
I love the crowd noise reaction, I'm not even sure how you'd attempt to describe it.
   22. PreservedFish Posted: August 28, 2014 at 03:35 PM (#4780999)
Perhaps D'Arnaud should consider a straight line next time.
   23. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: August 28, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4781029)
Looks like a good play to me. Not a great one. Virtually every SS in the league could have made it.


Never gets old.
   24. Kyle S at work Posted: August 28, 2014 at 04:20 PM (#4781065)
I don't get it - what's the reference?
   25. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 28, 2014 at 04:29 PM (#4781075)
I don't get it - what's the reference?

A Manny Machado play from last year. I'll let you guess which Primate wrote it.

   26. pthomas Posted: August 28, 2014 at 04:29 PM (#4781076)
Great play....

I'd like to do a study someday of how many catchers are on the losing end of "Plays of The Day" or the Week or the year or whatever....seems to me catchers are integral to great plays.
   27. Banta Posted: August 28, 2014 at 08:04 PM (#4781223)
I would like to point out that Juan Lagares is 9th in MLB in bWAR. That is flippin' absurd, though I'm not sure in what way.

fWAR doesn't like him nearly as much, but there's no doubt he's an elite defender by every possible measure.
   28. bigglou115 Posted: August 28, 2014 at 08:18 PM (#4781229)
One thing to remember, Andrelton Simmons made that play with a freaking air cast on his ankle. When he's not fielding he's noticeably limped for going on 2 weeks.
   29. DKDC Posted: August 28, 2014 at 08:48 PM (#4781242)
Speaking of Machado and rifle arms, I don't think I saw this play from a few weeks ago linked on bbtf.

The play itself isn't nearly as impressive because Pujols is so slow and Machado took his time to make the throw, but the arm...just...yeah.....I miss that guy.

link
   30. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:04 PM (#4781247)
Jeter'esque!


That play by Simmons is exactly what casual baseball fans imagine Jeter does in the field.
   31. Banta Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:15 PM (#4781254)
Machado's throw in 28 looks really fast, and then I realize that's the slomo replay.
   32. bobm Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:42 PM (#4781270)
seems to me catchers are integral to great plays.

Slow runners from home to 1B help the defense.
   33. DavidFoss Posted: August 28, 2014 at 10:11 PM (#4781282)
That play by Simmons is exactly what casual baseball fans imagine Jeter does in the field.

It looks pretty similar on TV. SS runs to into the hole on his right, fields the ball, jumps and throws across his body to get the guy at 1B. Its Jeter's signature move and TV doesn't do a very good job of telling you how far he went before the camera panned to him.
   34. PreservedFish Posted: August 28, 2014 at 10:48 PM (#4781300)
Be fair to Jeter - his signature play was pretty impressive. Even if better shortstops could have made the same play with less foofaraw. I don't think any shortstop has ever done the backhand-in-the-hole move better than Rey Ordonez though.
   35. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: August 29, 2014 at 04:11 AM (#4781438)
Its Jeter's signature move and TV doesn't do a very good job of telling you how far he went before the camera panned to him.


Yeah, though I can't remember any play that saw Jeter that far into the outfield. That was a great, great play by Simmons. He's a joy to watch even if he's on the Braves.

link


Wow, that looked faster in slow motion than what I can throw in normal time. The stop behind third base was really impressive too, considering how far off the line he was.

I don't think any shortstop has ever done the backhand-in-the-hole move better than Rey Ordonez though.


Ordonez was almost good enough in the field to make up for how bad he was at the plate in his prime. But I've also seen Simmons make that same play look just as easy as he made the Jeter Leap. I'd love to see a supercut of Simmons/Ozzie highlights, if Simmons can stay healthy and maintain his range long enough I think he could challenge for that throne.

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