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Thursday, November 15, 2012

Slam! -  What’s in store for Blue Jays catcher J.P. Arencibia?

Though everyone seems to be oohing and awing over Mark Buehrle, Josh Johnson, Jose Reyes and Emilio Bonifacio, and with good reason, the conversation has thus far glanced over the importance of the Blue Jays’ new (old) catcher, and what that means for J.P. Arencibia, who crouched behind the plate for 102 games for Toronto last season.

In the immediate aftermath of the mega-deal, one has to ask: With Buck in the picture, and with the ever-so-talented Travis d’Arnaud waiting in the wings, is J.P. Arencibia’s job secure?

Greg Schuler Posted: November 15, 2012 at 09:24 AM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 15, 2012 at 11:11 AM (#4303272)
Am I wrong in thinking Arencibia is a younger John Buck?
   2. Rants Mulliniks Posted: November 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM (#4303275)
Nope, Arencibia just got done his second year, Buck has been around since 2004.

Edit: I didn't realize how bad he sucked with the Marlins - .213/.308/.358 over the last two years.
   3. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 15, 2012 at 11:45 AM (#4303302)
The important thing here is that John Buck is the only catcher still active (I think) who's allowed to wear masks with crazy crap painted on them like goaltenders do. It would be a shame if he was relegated to benchwarming now that he is in Canada again.
   4. Hit by Pitch Posted: November 15, 2012 at 12:06 PM (#4303324)
With the market for catchers as thin as it is this off season they may be able to trade buck instead of Arencibia.
   5. Matthew E Posted: November 15, 2012 at 12:13 PM (#4303331)
If it's me I trade Buck for whatever I can get for him. I don't think he can play any more. The Jays will be fine with Arencibia and Wilson, with d'Arnaud looming over them both like an allegory of death.
   6. BDC Posted: November 15, 2012 at 12:39 PM (#4303341)
I was trying to figure out why I thought Arencibia was a star. Then I looked up his record in Arlington: 5 HR and 7 RBI in 8 games (his OPS is 1.023 in Arlington, highest of any park he's played in). I am massively influenced by watching players play live (I rarely see baseball in any other form).
   7.   Posted: November 15, 2012 at 12:49 PM (#4303346)
John Buck is JP Arencibia with fewer letters, but you need two catchers and they cured themselves of Jeff Mathis, so I'm good with it.
   8. ...and Toronto selects: Troy Tulowitzki Posted: November 15, 2012 at 01:38 PM (#4303385)
...with d'Arnaud looming over them both like an allegory of death.

Sweet.
   9. Rants Mulliniks Posted: November 15, 2012 at 02:00 PM (#4303400)
I was trying to figure out why I thought Arencibia was a star.


He hit 26 homers as a rookie, and has hit at least one homer in his first game of the season each of his three years in the league.
   10. Paul D(uda) Posted: November 15, 2012 at 02:47 PM (#4303439)

Anyone think that Arrencibia might end up as DH?
   11. Rants Mulliniks Posted: November 15, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4303453)
I hope not. The .280 OBP plays bad enough at catcher.
   12. Good cripple hitter Posted: November 15, 2012 at 04:21 PM (#4303527)
He's a catcher with a shaky defensive reputation and a bit of pop in his bat. Someone might think that if you move him off catcher his bat will improve and you'd get a better glove behind the plate. If d'Arnaud gets promoted they might try it a few times, but they'd need to carry a third catcher or just totally give up on JP as a catcher for that to happen. His batting average and discipline would need to improve a lot to make it worthwhile.

I remember watching a game and Buck and Tabler were talking about how the BP pitcher was mocking Arencibia for swinging at really high pitches in BP. Arencibia reportedly said "It's batting practice, why should I practice not swinging at pitches?" It was the perfect soundbite for a player who had an OBP of .250 at the time.
   13. Walt Davis Posted: November 15, 2012 at 06:08 PM (#4303680)
I'd certainly look to trade one of them, preferably Buck (who makes some money too).

Though everyone seems to be oohing and awing over Mark Buehrle, Josh Johnson, Jose Reyes and Emilio Bonifacio

Bonifacio?
   14. Matthew E Posted: November 15, 2012 at 10:21 PM (#4303905)
Bonifacio?
Well, the Jays' previous utility guy was what's left of Omar Vizquel, so by comparison...
   15. RJ in TO Posted: November 15, 2012 at 10:41 PM (#4303923)
I actually like the acquisition of Bunnyface. He can handle any defensive position other than C in a capable manner, makes for a good defensive replacement or pinch runner, hits for a tolerable average from both sides of the plate, and draws a non-embarrassing number of walks. As far as bench/utility guys go, he's useful even in his bad years, and quite valuable in his good years.

Also, as Matthew E mentioned, he's a big step up from the rotting corpse of Omar Vizquel.
   16. 'Spos Posted: November 15, 2012 at 10:48 PM (#4303935)
...he's a big step up from the rotting corpse of Omar Vizquel.


Joe Inglett would have been a step up.
   17. Good cripple hitter Posted: November 15, 2012 at 11:48 PM (#4303969)
Mike McCoy would have been a step up.

I'm not quite willing to say that Chris Woodward would have been a step up, but it might have been close.

Post 15 was helpful. I'd assumed that The Good Face was a mostly useless 5th outfielder, but he has a chance of being a useful utility guy.
   18. Gamingboy Posted: November 15, 2012 at 11:54 PM (#4303978)
What’s in store for Blue Jays catcher J.P. Arencibia?


"Mr. Arencibia, what do you know about the Avengers Initiative?"
   19. Walt Davis Posted: November 15, 2012 at 11:55 PM (#4303980)
#14 and #15 ... doesn't sound like "oohing and 'awing'" to me. :-)

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