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Wednesday, May 02, 2012

OT: Soccer Thread—May 2012

League all around will have their Champion decided! Bilbao or Atlético Madrid will reign over the Europa League! Chelsea tries to finally bring Roman a European Cup

And most important of all…West Ham drives for promotion!

RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: May 02, 2012 at 09:53 PM | 1485 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1001. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4135930)
Jesus this is gut wrenching and I don't have a rooting interest. can't imagine how Shooty and Juan and others are doing here.

I'm fine. this whole thing is just giving me the giggles.
   1002. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4135931)
HYOOOGE!
   1003. Squash Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4135932)
Wow.
   1004. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4135933)
Drogba with the chance to win it...and he does!

Boy, how much must Gomez/Bayern regret those missed chances?
   1005. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:30 PM (#4135934)
Chelsea!
   1006. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:30 PM (#4135935)
CHELSEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
   1007. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:30 PM (#4135936)
Well it's nice that a plucky underdog like Chelsea led by their humanitarian benefactor can win the biggest trophy!
   1008. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:30 PM (#4135937)
Congratulations CFC!

   1009. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:31 PM (#4135938)
Do we have any Bayern fans here? I hope not. Brutal.
   1010. Swedish Chef Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:31 PM (#4135939)
Oh no, my painstaking research on actual coin flipping to decide games is forever lost on the previous page.
   1011. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:31 PM (#4135940)
That's a nice cap on Drogba's career with Chelsea, if he's gone after this.
   1012. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:32 PM (#4135941)
This season has been even more Tottenham-y than the lasagna year. Just bizarre.
   1013. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:32 PM (#4135942)
English spirit? Give me a break, announcer dude.
   1014. Borussia, Du bist so wunderschön! (Mark Edward) Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:32 PM (#4135943)

Gary Neville is awesome.
   1015. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:32 PM (#4135944)
That's a nice cap on Drogba's career with Chelsea, if he's gone after this.

Yeah, they'll miss him if they let him go. He's an immense player.
   1016. Swedish Chef Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:33 PM (#4135946)
English spirit? Give me a break, announcer dude.

They couldn't have done it without John Terry's lion heart.
   1017. Tree Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:33 PM (#4135947)
I hate Chelsea. Bayern completely choked. Now Spurs aren't in the Champions League. Arrrrgh.
   1018. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:33 PM (#4135948)
English spirit? Give me a break, announcer dude.

I wish Fox would stop assuming we're all anglophiles. Why can't they hire American crews for these games?
   1019. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:33 PM (#4135949)
Granted, I haven't been following the sport for long, but I've never seen a team get more consistently lucky than Chelsea in this year's Champions League.
   1020. Squash Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:34 PM (#4135950)
Do we have any Bayern fans here? I hope not. Brutal.

I was rooting for Bayern just to protest American soccer coverage's decision that the EPL is the only league on the planet that matters, but I don't actually care.
   1021. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:34 PM (#4135951)
Granted, I haven't been following the sport for long, but I've never seen a team get more consistently lucky than Chelsea in this year's Champions League.

As Jesus said, the last shall be first!
   1022. JuanGone..except1game Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:35 PM (#4135952)
I love this team. Not the prettiest, but the heart of champions.
   1023. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:36 PM (#4135953)
Someone (Gary Neville?!) edited Schweinsteiger's wiki to say:

On 19 May 2012 missed final penalty shot in Champions League final giving the championship to Chelsea. He then cried and continued to cry in a little ball on the pitch.
   1024. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:36 PM (#4135954)
Chelsea did what they had to do, but Barca and Bayern beat themselves more than anything. So many spurned chances.
   1025. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4135956)
Awesome wiki edit.
   1026. Swedish Chef Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:38 PM (#4135957)
but I've never seen a team get more consistently lucky than Chelsea in this year's Champions League.

There's Greece when they won the Euros.
   1027. Squash Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:38 PM (#4135959)
Chelsea did what they had to do, but Barca and Bayern beat themselves more than anything. So many spurned chances.

Yeah, everything had to break exactly right and it did. Still, it's good to have stories like this every once in a while.
   1028. zack Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:42 PM (#4135960)
It's odd to have a player who couldn't bear to watch a previous penalty take the 5th shot in the shootout.

Having Neuer take a kick seems like a good way to try and break Cech's spirit.

Also is Lahm always that good? The entirety of AET should have been giving him the ball rather than Robben to do his 150,913th cut to the middle for the left foot.
   1029. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:43 PM (#4135961)
Stories like this? Isn't Chelsea one of the world's megaclubs? It's not like Sheffield Wednesday or Trapani Calcio just won the Champions League.
   1030. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:44 PM (#4135962)
That leads me to ask: what's the best a Sicilian club has ever done in the Champions league or European Cup?
   1031. JuanGone..except1game Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:45 PM (#4135964)
My manager is Spurs. Im thinking that its unwise to send him a message right now.
   1032. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:45 PM (#4135965)
Having Neuer take a kick seems like a good way to try and break Cech's spirit.

As it happens, he didn't concede again after that.
   1033. Swedish Chef Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:50 PM (#4135969)
That leads me to ask: what's the best a Sicilian club has ever done in the Champions league

Palermo has missed out on participating a couple of times, but I would say Juventus is the best Sicilian team in the CL, they have better support down there than in Turin.
   1034. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:50 PM (#4135970)
I can't hate on Chelsea winning if only because Bayern is such a historical power and this was Chelsea's first win on this stage.

And that's even with Chelsea playing exactly the type of game I hate over their last 3 matches. Give me Chile's 3-3-1-3!
   1035. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:57 PM (#4135976)
I was rooting for Bayern just to protest American soccer coverage's decision that the EPL is the only league on the planet that matters


Serie A has match fixing scandals and dirty ####### Italians while La Liga is more or less Real Madrid v. Barca. The Bundesliga is pretty similar to the EPL, but has fewer American players and doesn't share a language. The EPL has plenty of problems, but there's a reason why it gets coverage in the US. I mean, I want more Eredivise, but I can't get everything.
   1036. Baldrick Posted: May 19, 2012 at 06:02 PM (#4135982)
Well, it was a dull game for a while. Then it was very exciting. Then it was REALLY exciting. Then Robben missed his penalty and you just KNEW that Chelsea would end up taking it home.

It's really crazy that this Chelsea team is the one to finally with the Champions League. They are almost unquestionably the worst Chelsea side since they first came to the top, right? If you were making a list of the best teams in Europe, would Chelsea make the top 10? Top 15? And yet here they are.
   1037. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: May 19, 2012 at 06:05 PM (#4135984)
Soaking up all the woe on the German websites. Schadenfreude overload.

*sings* Bayern Mänchen, forever number 2! */sings*
   1038. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: May 19, 2012 at 06:06 PM (#4135987)
I wish Fox would stop assuming we're all anglophiles. Why can't they hire American crews for these games?

Gus Johnson has started doing games for the Earthquakes on radio. It can't be long before the USMNT (or NBC, or Fox) come calling.
   1039. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: May 19, 2012 at 06:08 PM (#4135990)
Why would Juventus have fans in Sicily?
   1040. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: May 19, 2012 at 06:08 PM (#4135991)
It's really crazy that this Chelsea team is the one to finally with the Champions League. They are almost unquestionably the worst Chelsea side since they first came to the top, right? If you were making a list of the best teams in Europe, would Chelsea make the top 10? Top 15? And yet here they are.

I actually think the demise of Chelsea has been somewhat overstated. They quit on the coach in the league, because they are a bunch of tremendous jerks. They can't play straight up against Barca, but who else can? There is still a ton of talent on the team. Back end of the top 10 sounds about right.
   1041. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: May 19, 2012 at 06:09 PM (#4135992)
Heh. From the Guardian's MBM after Muller's opener:

Thomas Muller has surely won the European Cup for Bayern Munich!


I giggle every time I hear the announcer go "surely now..." when a team scores late. I mean, 90th minute? Yes, the "surely" is reasonable, but 83rd minute?
   1042. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: May 19, 2012 at 06:10 PM (#4135994)
Yeah, I notice that English announcers do that a lot. "Certainly through!' etc.
   1043. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: May 19, 2012 at 06:13 PM (#4135997)
WJ -- re: your question in 1039, Juventus are like the Italian national team. They have the most fans of any club in Italy. I'm pretty sure that Torino actually have more fans in Turin proper. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure their fan-base eminates from (a) their historical success (28 scudettos.... or 30, if you ask the club or the Juventini) and (b) the fact that a good many worked for/purchased FIAT cars (FIAT's owners also were involved with Juve).
   1044. Baldrick Posted: May 19, 2012 at 06:14 PM (#4135999)
Barca, Madrid, both Manchesters, Dortmund, Bayern, Juve. That's seven teams that are clearly better than Chelsea in my mind. I guess I could accept an argument for Chelsea at #8, though I'd take a few more before them.
   1045. Swedish Chef Posted: May 19, 2012 at 06:16 PM (#4136001)
Why would Juventus have fans in Sicily?

Because they are the Yankees (29 league titles), the first big Italian team, and they have always been heavily represented in the national team. Areas with no historically powerful clubs, like Sicily, have them as the default favorite team, but they have fans all over. They are rather weakly supported in their hometown though.
   1046. Swedish Chef Posted: May 19, 2012 at 06:19 PM (#4136003)
FIAT's owners also were involved with Juve

They still own the team.
   1047. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: May 19, 2012 at 06:19 PM (#4136004)
Just to put a concrete example behind 1043, in Juventus' second-to-last game of the year, they played away to Cagliari. If you knew nothing of Serie A, you'd think Juventus were playing at home, as they easily had more fans in the stadium than Cagliari had(*). Picture the Yankees/Red Sox road game support against most average-or-worse teams, and that should give you a reasonable comparison for Juve.

(*)This is not an entirely fair example, as Cagliari were not playing at their normal home ground that game, but the main point regarding Juventus' country-wide support still stands.
   1048. Juan V Posted: May 19, 2012 at 06:34 PM (#4136009)
Jesus this is gut wrenching and I don't have a rooting interest. can't imagine how Shooty and Juan and others are doing here.


I'm doing fine, thank you very much.
   1049. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: May 19, 2012 at 06:52 PM (#4136014)
It was moderately amusing that John Terry started out wearing a suit, then changed into a tracksuit then quickly put some kit on during the closing moments to try and do a David May. It was even more amusing when Lampard shoved him away from the trophy during the presentation.
   1050. puck Posted: May 19, 2012 at 07:06 PM (#4136024)
Why can't they hire American crews for these games?


John Harkes!

I don't think anyone predicted City and United going out in the group stage and Chelsea going through Barca and then Bayern in Munich, did they?
   1051. JH (in DC) Posted: May 19, 2012 at 07:58 PM (#4136044)
   1052. frannyzoo Posted: May 19, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4136072)
Obama, Cameron, and Merkel watching the penalty shootout.


Tough days for Angela. And getting tougher. btw, Cameron is a putz.
   1053. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: May 19, 2012 at 09:02 PM (#4136076)
Tough days for Angela. And getting tougher. btw, Cameron is a putz.

Please, he's only the #6 putz in that room.
   1054. frannyzoo Posted: May 19, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4136083)
David is rolling up his sleeves, for there is work to be done. Yeah, right. All he's missing is a Homer Simpson beer hat with straws. It's a dick move to be so demonstrative in front of Angela Merkel. Admittedly, my distaste for today might be playing a role in my evaluation.

Hey! Dick got through the Nanny...dick, dick, dick...
   1055. John Mazzeo Posted: May 19, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4136085)
I assume RB is drunk somewhere? Congrats, even if I did want Blackpool to win. Shooty, unlucky, that Villa result was a killer. I'm still in a state of shock. Did my team really win a penalty shootout??? Cashley was immense. Drogba was a beast. And Cech was near-perfect.
   1056. frannyzoo Posted: May 19, 2012 at 09:22 PM (#4136088)
Nearly apropos of nothing, here's an approximation of my bike route starting June 3rd. I hope to escape Gdansk prior to the Euro Madness, but, at the same time, almost hope NOT to escape Gdansk prior to the Euro Madness.
   1057. A Random 8-Year-Old Eskimo Posted: May 20, 2012 at 12:35 AM (#4136196)
How are the Champions League medals awarded? Is there a minimum number of games one must have appeared in or is it every player on the CL eligible squad?
   1058. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: May 20, 2012 at 08:17 AM (#4136235)
Torino's going up! Torino's going up! We're coming Juventus. Forza Toro! In fact, I want Juventus to keep their undefeated streak going until the Torino derby. Torino FC is going to be the one to take them down. A ray of hope in this year of The Empires Striking Back...
   1059. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: May 20, 2012 at 08:26 AM (#4136237)
That crowd in Torino was intense today and Torino looked as good as they have in any of the 10 games or so I was able to catch. Annnd pitch invasion time.

edit: And a Pescara draw in a tough game for them at Sampdoria clinches the title for Torino.
   1060. Juan V Posted: May 20, 2012 at 08:33 AM (#4136238)
Muller's header was harder to keep out than Drogba's, wasn't it?
   1061. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: May 20, 2012 at 08:33 AM (#4136239)
All right gents. That seems a good way to end the year, hopefully with Montpellier holding on this afternoon. I really need to get focused on studying so I'm going into internet hibernation until the Euros and US qualifiers. Keep Klinsmann honest until I get back!
   1062. Juan V Posted: May 20, 2012 at 08:42 AM (#4136240)
A real defender doesn't concede the penalty Drogba did.

(Yes, I'm watching the game just now, humor me).
   1063. Textbook Editor Posted: May 20, 2012 at 09:58 AM (#4136261)
While yesterday's game was depressing for me, imagine Friedel's situation: having to go on live TV seconds after finding out he won't get his first chance at Champions League football after a long career... and that the chance may well now be gone for good. (I realize he was out of contract, but I think there was/is a very good chance he'll be back with the team next year.)

   1064. Mattbert Posted: May 20, 2012 at 02:23 PM (#4136340)
I am not a huge fan of Friedel's work for Spurs this season, but yeah that was a pretty rough circumstance. He handled it well.
   1065. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 20, 2012 at 03:58 PM (#4136390)
I actually don't recall much of Friedel's work this season. To the best of my recollection, he did what would have been expected - nothing spectacular, but nothing stupid. I presume that's what Spurs wanted after the Gomes experience.
   1066. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: May 20, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4136395)
John Obi Mikel's dad said to celebrate, he will slaughter a cow.
   1067. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: May 20, 2012 at 04:59 PM (#4136418)
Fans at relegated Auxerre have suspended the match vs Montpellier--who only need a tie to win the title. French hooligans!
   1068. ursus arctos Posted: May 20, 2012 at 06:43 PM (#4136482)
The CRS eventually clear the entire stand at Auxerre, and Montpellier come away with a win and their first ever French title.

Napoli put an end to Juve's undefeated season and win the Coppa Italia.
   1069. Mattbert Posted: May 20, 2012 at 08:37 PM (#4136532)
I actually don't recall much of Friedel's work this season. To the best of my recollection, he did what would have been expected - nothing spectacular, but nothing stupid. I presume that's what Spurs wanted after the Gomes experience.

I think Friedel's strengths are in not making many mistakes and in organizing his defense well. He's very vocal, and knows what's up on dead ball situations. He also distributes the ball wisely and securely most of the time.

On the other side of the ledger, he's not especially commanding in the air and (maybe related to that) he rarely comes off his line to claim crosses and corners. In my opinion, his conservatism cost Spurs a number of goals this season that could have been prevented had he been more aggressive. It's hard to fault the guy, though, since I assume a lot of that is just him knowing his limitations. That's fine.

My totally unsubstantiated feeling is that Friedel and Gomes probably get you to about the same place in terms of goals saved/allowed over the course of 38 games. They just do it very differently. Friedel is very steady; he rarely has a howler but nor will he pull off the spectacular. Gomes is pure Tottenham, brilliance and calamity in the same package.

FWIW, I preferred Gomes.
   1070. puck Posted: May 20, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4136590)
Santos Laguna wins 2-1 (3-2 aggr). Chivas takes their CCL spot from the Clausura. (So the Mexican clubs in 2012-13 CCL are Tigres, Santos, Chivas, and Monterrey.)
   1071. zack Posted: May 21, 2012 at 12:52 PM (#4136866)
   1072. ursus arctos Posted: May 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM (#4136871)
A very Neapolitan celebration.

I wonder whose car it was.
   1073. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 21, 2012 at 01:19 PM (#4136890)
My totally unsubstantiated feeling is that Friedel and Gomes probably get you to about the same place in terms of goals saved/allowed over the course of 38 games. They just do it very differently. Friedel is very steady; he rarely has a howler but nor will he pull off the spectacular. Gomes is pure Tottenham, brilliance and calamity in the same package.


That looks pretty right to me. My gut reaction is that I'd prefer Friedel over Gomes. The "brilliance and calamity" approach feels like a good team with a bad bullpen, for every dramatic victory there is a catastrophic loss. Friedel's more conservative approach is something you can manage around with positioning and tactics, there is no adjustment to make for the Robert Green Memorial Howler.
   1074. Mattbert Posted: May 21, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4136908)
As a manager, I would definitely prefer Friedel for the reasons you state. As a fan, though...why do I watch soccer, I guess? Part of it is wanting to see my team win, but another (and possibly bigger) part is those leap out of your seat, holy s**t did you just see that moments. You could always count on Gomes for a handful of those over the course of a season. That you could also count on him for a handful of disastrous errors, well, that's often the price of admission for a certain type of genius.
   1075. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: May 21, 2012 at 01:54 PM (#4136913)
A very Neapolitan celebration.

I wonder whose car it was.

I feel like I have been sent to a 'Where's Waldo' picture...
   1076. ursus arctos Posted: May 21, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4136922)
Crap.

Wrong link, and now I can't find the original.
   1077. Mefisto Posted: May 21, 2012 at 02:31 PM (#4136937)
Speaking as the parent of a defender, I'll take the dependable goalie any day. When the goalie fluffs one, it really demoralizes the defenders. The spectacular saves don't seem to make up for that.
   1078. Dale Sams Posted: May 21, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4136982)
I read that some Bayern players refused to take PKs. I don't blame them a bit. Go with the five who feel they have the best chance of tuning things out. The tunnel vision must be blinding. Drogba looked like he just decided "I'm picking a spot and I'm going to hit it and I hope the keep doesn't guess that way."
   1079. ursus arctos Posted: May 21, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4136983)
Found it.

Photo 20 in this Gallery.

For a Waldoesque game, identify the non-native Neapolitan in photo 15.

Salisbury is a lovely cathedral, though.
   1080. Mattbert Posted: May 21, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4137000)
For a Waldoesque game, identify the non-native Neapolitan in photo 15.

I remember there was ginger fella who competed for Italy in gymnastics back in the day. Don't know if he was from Napoli, though. I wish I could remember his name.
   1081. Mattbert Posted: May 21, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4137002)
Public Service Announcement: Do not google 'red haired italian gymnast' while at work. Jesus.
   1082. ursus arctos Posted: May 21, 2012 at 03:54 PM (#4137016)
There are ginger Italians, but that guy is so obviously non-Neapolitan that it hurts. He's drinking a Pepsi, FFS.

The only Italian gymnast I can name is Jury Cechi, aka "The Lord of the Rings", who was grey by the time he retired.
   1083. Mattbert Posted: May 21, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4137025)
There are ginger Italians, but that guy is so obviously non-Neapolitan that it hurts. He's drinking a Pepsi, FFS.

He was obviously inspired by the gatecrashing antics of England's Brave John Terry.

The only Italian gymnast I can name is Jury Cechi, aka "The Lord of the Rings", who was grey by the time he retired.

That's the guy! Says here he is from Tuscany.
   1084. puck Posted: May 21, 2012 at 04:20 PM (#4137044)
I read that some Bayern players refused to take PKs

Was Robben the only one named?
   1085. Dale Sams Posted: May 21, 2012 at 04:41 PM (#4137056)
I think so.
   1086. JuanGone..except1game Posted: May 21, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4137064)
I read that some Bayern players refused to take PKs

Was Robben the only one named?


I had to google that because its so unbelievable. Wow, BM is regretting that 2-year deal that Robben signed in May. However, it does put Neuer's bad ass pk in new light. Neuer is one guy who doesn't need to keep his head down about his performance.

Also, reports say that Modric is set to hand in his transfer request. Bad, bad week for Spurs Think Factory.
   1087. ursus arctos Posted: May 21, 2012 at 05:11 PM (#4137071)
Maybe it's because I'm old and cynical, but I don't think Robben's action is that surprising.

He couldn't really "refuse" to take a penalty; if it had gone to 11 rounds, he would have had to take one. Teams are only required to name their first five, and I can understand why he didn't want to be part of that group given what had happened in OT and his other travails with penalties.

Bayern may have reason to be sorry about that contract, but I wouldn't give this one inordinate prominence.

I wonder if Modric's transfer value has taken a hit. He wasn't as good as he was last season.
   1088. Dale Sams Posted: May 21, 2012 at 05:17 PM (#4137078)
I've been wondering if any studies have been done along the following lines on PKs:

The further the run-up the more likely he'll kick it into the side of the goal of his kicking foot, as opposed to across the goal. (Or straight down the middle) Also if I were a keep, I would hold my ground on the third kick. It seems a lot of players kick right down the middle on the third kick.

You could try diving in the direction of the plant foot, but there's almost no time for that.

When I played keeper as a youth, there was a guy on our rival team that I knew would take PKs by always looking one way and shooting the other...I never bothered to inform him I was onto his 'tell'.

I did try and stand a few inchs left or right of center to create the appearance of one side looking easier to shoot at. The results wern't conclusive.
   1089. ursus arctos Posted: May 21, 2012 at 05:22 PM (#4137081)
There's a Dutch guy who is quoted at length in David Winner's Brilliant Orange who probably has that data. There are also national teams (Germany being one) who compile dossiers on the tendencies of their opponents' most likely penalty takers before major tournaments.
   1090. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: May 21, 2012 at 05:28 PM (#4137090)
The further the run up, the higher the chance the ball goes over the crossbar. It is a good question though. Tendencies, habits and styles of PKers and keepers are studied at length and a good goalie or club will have a crib sheet for PKs. Shoot outs are game theory in action.
   1091. Dale Sams Posted: May 21, 2012 at 05:42 PM (#4137102)
Also:

1) I thought that 'stutter step/try and get the goalie to commit' was illegal

2) Player does that, and again I'm holding my ground and going off reaction as he's losing all kinds of power doing that.

edit: I see it's fine during the run-up but during the kick.
   1092. ursus arctos Posted: May 21, 2012 at 05:57 PM (#4137114)
Referees' interpretations on the stutter step thing can be incredibly inconsistent. The same goes for the distance they allow keepers to come off their line. Given the importance of penalties to results, they really should try to be more consistent.
   1093. ursus arctos Posted: May 21, 2012 at 06:01 PM (#4137120)
Rumours in Brazil that Ronaldinho is talking to RBNY. No idea if there is any basis for same.
   1094. Dale Sams Posted: May 21, 2012 at 06:03 PM (#4137122)
And of course encroachment is another nebulous area.
   1095. Juan V Posted: May 21, 2012 at 06:43 PM (#4137150)
When did Robben become the primary penalty taker at Bayern, BTW? I thought Ribery was pretty good at that.
   1096. ursus arctos Posted: May 21, 2012 at 07:45 PM (#4137226)
Probably because he has the strongest personality. Heynckes didnt do a good job of managing those egos, or preparing for penalties. I think that Bayern's management really thought it was won when they got a depleted Chelsea in a home final. The post match banquet they had arranged was ridiculous.

Lahm may be the best penalty taker on the team.
   1097. Mattbert Posted: May 21, 2012 at 08:38 PM (#4137295)
Lahm may be the best penalty taker on the team.

They have a lot of good ones. I had a bad feeling about Robben in that spot, though. Pretty amazing that Spurs were undone, in part, by missed penalties from Arjen Robben, Bastian Schweinsteiger, and Leo F. Messi!

Juan: Ribery was injured in the winning of that penalty and had to come off. Under different circumstances, perhaps he would have stepped up to take it. Anyway, the Fox commentators were actually speculating before the spot kick that Ribery's injury and the two minutes or so it took to get him off the pitch certainly wouldn't be helping Robben's nerves.
   1098. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 21, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4137354)
It's not exactly the same thing (it wasn't a penalty), but Robben also fluffed a golden opportunity to score for Holland in the 2010 World Cup final.
   1099. Richard Posted: May 21, 2012 at 09:31 PM (#4137369)
When I played keeper as a youth, there was a guy on our rival team that I knew would take PKs by always looking one way and shooting the other...I never bothered to inform him I was onto his 'tell'.

I did try and stand a few inchs left or right of center to create the appearance of one side looking easier to shoot at. The results wern't conclusive.


I always wonder why more EPL keepers don't stand still on penalties, as so many players seem to hammer them straight down the middle.

By contrast, in my experience, very few people shoot down the middle in amateur football, so basically a keeper has to choose which way to go. I play in goal and always dive the same way on penalties, which has lead to saving one out of 3.
   1100. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: May 21, 2012 at 09:35 PM (#4137375)
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