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Some MLB front offices are starting to embrace an out-of-the-box idea to boost trading at the winter meetings

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This idea has no legs.

The idea here is that the last day of the winter meetings would be a trade deadline. It’s always a Thursday, and the Rule 5 draft is held in the morning. As previously noted, after the Rule 5, it’s pretty much dead. So let’s say the deadline is set Thursday at noon local time for wherever the meetings are located and then teams can’t trade again until some point in spring training.

Such a deadline would absolutely make the MLB’s key offseason event a lot more exciting. Things like the a potential blockbuster between the Dodgers and Reds would either be completed or fall apart in time for the teams to turn elsewhere. It would actually help free agency, too, because once teams can’t trade anymore, the only remaining option to shore up holes would be free agency.

Jim Furtado Posted: December 14, 2018 at 06:48 AM | 36 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 14, 2018 at 10:50 AM (#5797779)
So let’s say the deadline is set Thursday at noon local time for wherever the meetings are located . . .

Nooooo, it's a bad idea, but if you're going to do it, make it 2:00 AM, with all trades having to be consumated in the hotel bar.
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 14, 2018 at 10:55 AM (#5797783)
I don't think it's a terrible idea.

Put the winter meetings on Dec. 18-21. Trade deadline at the end. Everyone gets the holidays off, i.e. no FA signings until Jan. 5. And then they can come back in Jan. and finish up the FA process more quickly.

An even better idea, from a marketing perspective, would be to cram all the FA signings and trades into one week. Get all the teams, FAs, and agents together, with a strict deadline, and make it like a one week fantasy draft extravaganza. MLB Network could have 24 hour coverage from the hotel lobby.
   3. Jose is an Absurd Kahuna Posted: December 14, 2018 at 10:56 AM (#5797784)

Nooooo, it's a bad idea, but if you're going to do it, make it 2:00 AM, with all trades having to be consumated in the hotel bar.


On this the Red Sox fan agrees with the Yankee fan, make this happen. Of course part of that is the Sox currently employ Tony LaRussa, a man who can put away a few drinks.
   4. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: December 14, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5797789)
The actual trade deadline is there for competitive reasons within the season.

And it sounds like Dombrowski doesn't really want a *trade* deadline, he wants a FA *signing* deadline. (Based on the quote about agents.)
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 14, 2018 at 11:00 AM (#5797790)
How about we make FA bidding a live auction?

The teams and agents all sit around a ballroom, like the NFL draft, and announce their bids like a fantasy auction?
   6. Jose is an Absurd Kahuna Posted: December 14, 2018 at 11:19 AM (#5797802)

The teams and agents all sit around a ballroom, like the NFL draft, and announce their bids like a fantasy auction?


Somewhere Scott Boras just got a massive erection.
   7. JL72 Posted: December 14, 2018 at 11:19 AM (#5797804)
Put the winter meetings on Dec. 18-21. Trade deadline at the end. Everyone gets the holidays off, i.e. no FA signings until Jan. 5. And then they can come back in Jan. and finish up the FA process more quickly.


The NHL actually forbids any trades from December 19-28. It was negotiated with the players, with the idea of not forcing someone to move cities the day before Christmas.
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 14, 2018 at 11:23 AM (#5797806)
Somewhere Scott Boras just got a massive erection.
No way, the last thing Boras would want is for teams to know what other teams are actually willing to offer.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 14, 2018 at 11:23 AM (#5797807)
Somewhere Scott Boras just got a massive erection.

I think it would hurt his ability to fleece teams. No more "Mystery Team" offering a huge contract.

Everyone knows exactly what the market is for every player. They can have a big "war room" style board with the current bid on each player.

Edit: Coke to ElRoy
   10. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: December 14, 2018 at 11:33 AM (#5797810)
Also, players might want to have some say in where they go and not just end with the highest bidder?
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 14, 2018 at 11:37 AM (#5797813)
Also, players might want to have some say in where they go and not just end with the highest bidder?

They can reject the offer. Or, eliminate teams from bidding.
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 14, 2018 at 11:40 AM (#5797815)
Also, players might want to have some say in where they go and not just end with the highest bidder?
Teams will also be required to give presentations on the quality of their local school districts.
   13. bfan Posted: December 14, 2018 at 12:18 PM (#5797829)
Teams will also be required to give presentations on the quality of their local school districts.


Because guys making $20 million per year send their kids to the local public school.
   14. Kiko Sakata Posted: December 14, 2018 at 12:18 PM (#5797830)
An even better idea, from a marketing perspective, would be to cram all the FA signings and trades into one week.


How is it better marketing to have baseball only being talked about one week of the four (?) month offseason (Nov - Feb; in March there's spring training to talk about) than spreading the talk out over the full four months. If all free agents signed in the same week, the only two that would get much coverage would be Harper and Machado. Nobody would give a #### that Josh Donaldson signed with the Braves (well, I suppose Braves fans would care, but even they might see it as more of a consolation prize, having missed out on Machado). But if the Josh Donaldson signing is the only news in the week it happens, it'll get more attention from baseball fans looking for something, anything, to talk about.
   15. JJ1986 Posted: December 14, 2018 at 12:20 PM (#5797833)
Because guys making $20 million per year send their kids to the local public school.
Technically, Mike Hampton only made around $15 million a year.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 14, 2018 at 12:34 PM (#5797841)
How is it better marketing to have baseball only being talked about one week of the four (?) month offseason (Nov - Feb; in March there's spring training to talk about) than spreading the talk out over the full four months.

They'd be able to monetize it more. The TV rights for a week long FA extravaganza would be valuable.
   17. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: December 14, 2018 at 12:44 PM (#5797845)
They need to shove this idea back into the box.

Then burn the box.

Then shoot the ashes of the box into the sun.
   18. winnipegwhip Posted: December 14, 2018 at 01:03 PM (#5797858)
Nooooo, it's a bad idea, but if you're going to do it, make it 2:00 AM, with all trades having to be consumated in the hotel bar.


Since most GMs are to young to drink this is moot.
   19. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: December 14, 2018 at 01:13 PM (#5797863)
Teams will also be required to give presentations on the quality of their local school districts.


And in some instances, the quality of the local prostitutes...
   20. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: December 14, 2018 at 01:22 PM (#5797866)
An even better idea, from a marketing perspective, would be to cram all the FA signings and trades into one week. Get all the teams, FAs, and agents together, with a strict deadline, and make it like a one week fantasy draft extravaganza. MLB Network could have 24 hour coverage from the hotel lobby.


And it sounds like Dombrowski doesn't really want a *trade* deadline, he wants a FA *signing* deadline. (Based on the quote about agents.)


A free agency signing deadline wouldn't work. If a guy misses the deadline, he has to be unemployed until... next off-season? July? But having more than one trading period a year, with set beginning and end dates, could work. We can think of them like "windows". That's what they do in international soccer, there's a January "transfer window" and the entire off-season is another "transfer window".
   21. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 14, 2018 at 01:23 PM (#5797867)
That's what they do in international soccer
Nevermind then.
   22. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: December 14, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5797873)

I think it's a challenge to have these limited windows in a sport with such specialized positions. What happens if your starting catcher or shortstop suffers a serious injury outside of the transaction window? You can't replace him until February?
   23. DFA Posted: December 14, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5797877)
Maybe they should just stop having the Winter Meetings? It's not like they are necessary anyway.
   24. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 14, 2018 at 01:50 PM (#5797879)
I think it's a challenge to have these limited windows in a sport with such specialized positions. What happens if your starting catcher or shortstop suffers a serious injury outside of the transaction window? You can't replace him until February?

Not sure what the issue is? What difference does it make, as long as you can replace him before April?
   25. PreservedFish Posted: December 14, 2018 at 01:56 PM (#5797881)
It seems like a lot of work for no obvious benefit.
   26. DL from MN Posted: December 14, 2018 at 02:03 PM (#5797885)
It would have to be no trades or free agent signings for a certain window. You can't forbid players from being traded if a free agent signing forces someone off a 40 man roster. No transactions from the end of the winter meetings to December 26 would not be a terrible idea. Two weeks of dead time in the offseason won't really affect anything.
   27. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 14, 2018 at 02:11 PM (#5797888)
It seems like a lot of work for no obvious benefit.

The only beneficiary appears to be the media, who would get a more newsworthy Winter Meeting, and have to do less work at other times.
   28. manchestermets Posted: December 14, 2018 at 02:14 PM (#5797890)
How about we make FA bidding a live auction?


Part of the Indian Premier League CBA* involves an annual auction - it's a huge event in India.

*I'm not sure if it's an actual CBA, or just a set of rules drawn up by the league that the players just go along with.
   29. Walt Davis Posted: December 14, 2018 at 04:09 PM (#5797942)
Then shoot the ashes of the box into the sun.

Is there room for Tyler Chatwood on that flight?

A holidays moratorium makes lots of sense but is kinda meaningless if it's just a moratorium on announcements but of course you're not gonna be able to legislate "Scott Boras is not allowed to have cell or internet service for two weeks" so it's really just window-dressing. Unless there was some sort of deadline pre-Christmas ... but of course you don't put in a rule like that just to make the holidays more meaningful for Wilmer Difo.

So yeah, it's just an idea floated by/for the media who miss the days when they could get a couple of weeks worth of rumor-filled columns while spending their time in the bar on the paper's dime. They miss that and they know it's just a matter of time before their papers (what few remain) stop sending them.
   30. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: December 15, 2018 at 07:04 AM (#5798062)
How about we make FA bidding a live auction?


I'm thinking that the Deal or No Deal format would work wonders.

30 numbered suitcases held by just clothed enough models. Each team has submitted a sealed bid, which is randomly assigned a number between 1-30. The bids (sans team name) are listed on the big board.

The player picks 3 numbers. The models open the selected suitcases, which has the team logo and offer in it. The player may accept one of the bids or reject the lot. The rejected bids are removed from the big board.

As the number of suitcases dwindle, teams may submit new bids to the "banker". The "banker" will offer up the best offer at selected points. The player may accept or reject.

If the player holds out until the last suitcase, that is what they are stuck for.
   31. base ball chick Posted: December 15, 2018 at 12:38 PM (#5798098)
i can see a - no trading end of wintermeetings until the day after new years to give everyone an actual winter break

but the no deals/trading until spring training is absurd - and also will keep baseball completely out of the news until then, which i can't see

FREE agents are supposed to be FREE, not bid on
   32. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: December 15, 2018 at 01:44 PM (#5798109)
<i>Not sure what the issue is? What difference does it make, as long as you can replace him before April?<i>

Just seems like it would needlessly condense several months of work into a very short time frame. What if you need to trade someone else to replace your catcher, which creates a different hole in the roster. These transactions don't necessarily come together overnight.

I would also think that players who get traded would rather know earlier in the offseason when possible, rather than finding out a week before spring training begins.

I mean, if the people inside the game think this is a good idea, then they obviously know better than we do on the outside. Just seems like some aspects haven't been that well thought out.
   33. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: December 15, 2018 at 02:05 PM (#5798111)
Co-sign completely, bc...
   34. cardsfanboy Posted: December 15, 2018 at 02:40 PM (#5798119)
Put the winter meetings on Dec. 18-21. Trade deadline at the end. Everyone gets the holidays off, i.e. no FA signings until Jan. 5. And then they can come back in Jan. and finish up the FA process more quickly.


I don't think this is a bad idea at all.. Trade deadline at least until a week before pitchers and catchers report...then trades can resume. I do think you have to re-open the deadline before actual spring training starts, and the week before reporting helps team fine tune their lineup. Maybe have the deadline 24 hours after the end of the winter meetings or so, so that there can be a bit more communication with the team about the potential trades worked out.

edit: as far as the 40 man roster is concerned and free agents, the 40 man roster could be unenforced from the trade deadline until pitchers and catchers report, giving the team a week to work out any deals that have to be made because of 40 man issues.
   35. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: December 15, 2018 at 07:22 PM (#5798142)

Hi. I would like to propose a stupid solution to a non-existent problem. Is this where I sign up?
   36. cardsfanboy Posted: December 15, 2018 at 07:37 PM (#5798145)

Hi. I would like to propose a stupid solution to a non-existent problem. Is this where I sign up?


I agree, this is a non-existent problem, but if someone did take this problem seriously, I like the solution proposed by Snapper. Generally I'm in the camp if it's not broken don't fix it, if it can be improved, improve it(which is why I fully and will always support instant replay and interleague play, but will argue against the implementation at times) As of now there is no real reason to fix this problem, but I think the writer is pointing out how uneventful the winter meetings have become in comparison to how they were in the past(subject to interpretation) and that mlb is missing an opportunity to maximize the importance of these meetings by not creating rules to make them more 'exciting'.

of course, I'm pretty sure this writer probably thinks that the NFL is more exciting than MLB, even though both have roughly the same amount of time of doing nothing per game, it's just that the NFL broadcast does a much better job of occupying the massive amount of dead time in comparison to mlb.... this idea seems like the same silliness that the NFL draft has created etc with their fans and expecting more cerebral fans of a better sport to be as Pavlovian as the typical nfl fan that expects instant results instead of thought out results.

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