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Sources:  Cubs cut grounds crew’s hours to avoid paying health benefits

Thanks a lot, Obama…

Spahn Insane Posted: August 23, 2014 at 01:45 AM | 42 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. What's the realistic upside, RMc? Posted: August 23, 2014 at 08:30 AM (#4777641)
Thanks a lot, Obama…

You jest, but apparently that's exactly what happened.
   2. shoelesjoe Posted: August 23, 2014 at 09:06 AM (#4777647)
I'd like to know how many ground crew were on duty at Wrigley when it started to rain, vs how many would have been on duty at the same time a year ago or five years ago. Also, how did the number of GC during the game compare to that of other teams on game days?

If organizations can't be trusted to do right by their teams and fans then perhaps MLB should mandate a minimum number of ground crew be available before/during games so as to avoid these kinds of situations.
   3. Banacek Posted: August 23, 2014 at 09:21 AM (#4777650)
MLB should mandate a minimum number of ground crew be available before/during games so as to avoid these kinds of situations.


yes, YES, that's exactly what businesses need, more rules.
   4. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 23, 2014 at 09:30 AM (#4777653)
Take this for what it’s worth, but the Cubs were deemed baseball’s most profitable team in 2013 and its owners are well-known partisan Republicans with a decidedly anti-Obama tilt. If there’s a team which is going to go out of its way to avoid having to pay Obamacare benefits, it’s not shocking that the Cubs are that team. Whether you think that’s a good thing or a bad thing likely depends on your political persuasion, of course.


Great bunch of owners you've got there, Cubs fans.
   5. A triple short of the cycle Posted: August 23, 2014 at 09:51 AM (#4777656)
Are there any good baseball owners? By good I mean, decent kind generous people?
   6. JJ1986 Posted: August 23, 2014 at 09:55 AM (#4777658)
Are there any good baseball owners? By good I mean, decent kind generous people?

Fred Wilpon loves giving money away.
   7. Guapo Posted: August 23, 2014 at 09:59 AM (#4777659)
Much as I'm sure we're all raring for a good fight about Obamacare, it seems to me the main contributing factor to the fiasco was this:

Sources say 10 crew members were sent home early by the bosses Tuesday night with little, if any, input from the field-level supervisors

Green doesn’t dispute that but says it’s common practice when the forecast calls for clear weather as he claimed Tuesday’s forecast did (contrary to several reports that day).


So if it is common practice, then the Cubs just got caught by a freak storm. Would be interesting to know if it is in fact common practice, as opposed to an Obamacare avoidance technique.
   8. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 23, 2014 at 10:02 AM (#4777660)
Are there any good baseball owners? By good I mean, decent kind generous people?

That's not a bad question. You'd probably have to approach it by eliminating the worst teams and see what you had left.

And besides the Cubs, you probably wouldn't want to work for the Marlins, the Giants, the Orioles or the A'.

Labor Dept. Settles with 2 Major League Baseball Teams for Unfair Pay Practices and Investigates 2 More
   9. Rennie's Tenet Posted: August 23, 2014 at 10:21 AM (#4777666)
Before telling the Cubs how many people they need, it might be good to know how many people they usually have on hand relative to other teams. You don't want to force a rational decision to buy a mechanized tarp that uses fewer people.
   10. Swedish Chef Posted: August 23, 2014 at 10:37 AM (#4777667)
You don't want to force a rational decision to buy a mechanized tarp that uses fewer people.

Why not, I don't think there's a big societal need to protect the tarp-rolling profession.
   11. bobm Posted: August 23, 2014 at 10:43 AM (#4777668)
You don't want to force a rational decision to buy a mechanized tarp that uses fewer people.

Vince Coleman asks: Did you account for the increased premium to insure against running over players?
   12. greenback calls it soccer Posted: August 23, 2014 at 10:45 AM (#4777669)
Vince Coleman didn't ask that, because he's too busy trying to get the Admiral Ackbar role in the Star Wars reboot.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM (#4777672)
Thanks a lot, Obama…

You jest, but apparently that's exactly what happened.


Great bunch of owners you've got there, Cubs fans.

People, people, can't we all agree that this is a terrible side effect of Obamacare AND the Cubs owners are cheap bastards?
   14. kthejoker Posted: August 23, 2014 at 10:55 AM (#4777674)
Are there any good baseball owners? By good I mean, decent kind generous people?


Almost all of the owners have long standing charity donations you rarely hear about, but are easy enough to Google. I don't know if that qualifies them as generous or simply perfunctory, but they do do it with no actual obligation to do so.

Jerry Reinsdorf is kind of "famously" generous, in that he helps pay for college for the kids of a lot of his employees. He seems like a decent enough guy.

I would be surprised to find out that guys like David Montgomery, Arte Moreno, and Bob Nutting weren't perfectly nice dudes you'd like to have a beer with.


   15. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 23, 2014 at 11:00 AM (#4777677)
Are there any good baseball owners? By good I mean, decent kind generous people?


Attanasio gets very high marks pretty much across the board. I don't know if he's truly kind and generous, but I've never heard a complaint about how he runs the Brewers from Brewers fans.
   16. What's the realistic upside, RMc? Posted: August 23, 2014 at 11:07 AM (#4777678)
People, people, can't we all agree that this is a terrible side effect of Obamacare AND the Cubs owners are cheap bastards?

Motion carried!

"Being decent, kind and generous" and "Having the ability to make enough money to buy a MLB team" are wildly different skill sets.
   17. donlock Posted: August 23, 2014 at 11:12 AM (#4777681)
Stop the Presses!

New story breaking: Big corporation's policies hurt the little guy. Has happened a few times before in history. Film at 11.
   18. Win Big Stein's Money Posted: August 23, 2014 at 11:27 AM (#4777686)
Oh I get it now, if you do one scummy thing in your life, your wrong. But if you act like a complete scumbag, continuously fuck over people, and never relent, then it's ok because some jackass will snark that it's not news.

Clearly Hitler's real problem was he didn't go far enuff. Then we could snark it off as That's Just Hitler!
   19. What's the realistic upside, RMc? Posted: August 23, 2014 at 11:29 AM (#4777687)
Clearly Hitler's real problem was he didn't go far enuff.


Is that you, Marge?
   20. Win Big Stein's Money Posted: August 23, 2014 at 11:33 AM (#4777689)
Is that you, fat bald idiot?
   21. BDC Posted: August 23, 2014 at 11:36 AM (#4777691)
Guapo's got it right here. Screwing employees was around awhile before Obama, IIRC. But if it was just SOP in this case and the Cubs got blindsided by rain, that's life. If they're deliberately putting a worse product out there by cost-cutting, though, a few incidents like this may discourage the cost-cutting.
   22. Dale Sams Posted: August 23, 2014 at 11:37 AM (#4777692)
Are there any good baseball owners? By good I mean, decent kind generous people?


If you believe baseball owners...either the Dodgers are losing money and just don't give a ****, or the owners don't care if they only make 50 mill in profits as opposed to 100 mill.

Either way, I think they're to be applauded.
   23. McCoy Posted: August 23, 2014 at 11:39 AM (#4777693)
I think you got Vince Coleman confused for Willie McGee.
   24. Flynn Posted: August 23, 2014 at 11:53 AM (#4777700)
As I recall, Reinsdorf was the only owner to vociferously argue against changing the pension plan for non-uniformed MLB personnel.
   25. pthomas Posted: August 23, 2014 at 12:07 PM (#4777707)
Of course, this story being about health care is hogwash:

Huh. What do you think of that, Dean Baker?

The problem with this story is that employer sanctions are not in effect for 2014. In other words, the Cubs will not be penalized for not providing their ground crew with insurance this year even if they work more than 30 hours per week. Apparently the Cubs management has not been paying attention to the ACA rules. This is yet another example of the skills gap that is preventing managers from operating their businesses effectively.

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/its-hard-to-find-good-help-chicago-cubs-edition
   26. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 23, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4777709)
The next thing you know, these workers will want to be paid some sort of "minimum wage."
   27. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: August 23, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4777710)
I think you got Vince Coleman confused for Willie McGee.


Coleman was run over by the tarp.
   28. AuntBea Posted: August 23, 2014 at 12:20 PM (#4777711)
Vince Coleman didn't ask that, because he's too busy trying to get the Admiral Ackbar role in the Star Wars reboot.

It's a tarp! (or, was that the joke all along?)
   29. Guapo Posted: August 23, 2014 at 12:49 PM (#4777722)
#25-

I like Dean Baker generally, but he's off the mark on this one.

Whether the Cubs will have to provide these employees with health care in 2015 will be based on whether they're considered full time employees as measured by their hours worked in 2014. So the Cubs could well be cutting hours now to avoid potential penalties that take effect in 2015.

Note: this is a gross simplification of complicated rules.
   30. PreservedFish Posted: August 23, 2014 at 12:55 PM (#4777725)
Coleman was run over by the tarp.


But McGee looks like an alien-fish-man.
   31. greenback calls it soccer Posted: August 23, 2014 at 12:56 PM (#4777726)
No, McGee looks like ET.
   32. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: August 23, 2014 at 12:59 PM (#4777728)
Tom Hicks is a good guy to have a beer with.... as long as you're picking up the tab.
   33. puck Posted: August 23, 2014 at 01:24 PM (#4777735)
No, McGee looks like ET.

ET, or Sid from Ice Age (the John Leguizamo character)?
   34. spike Posted: August 23, 2014 at 04:25 PM (#4777792)
Would be interesting to know if it is in fact common practice, as opposed to an Obamacare avoidance technique.

Why not both?
   35. Walt Davis Posted: August 23, 2014 at 06:22 PM (#4777837)
People, people, can't we all agree that this is a terrible side effect of Obamacare AND the Cubs owners are cheap bastards?

As long as we add that it is also part of Theo's brilliant plan to lose as many games as possible to always have a top 5 draft pick -- although it backfired the other day in helping the Cubs accidentally win one.
   36. God Posted: August 23, 2014 at 07:44 PM (#4777857)
Are there any good baseball owners? By good I mean, decent kind generous people?


Magic Johnson?
   37. Cargo Cultist Posted: August 24, 2014 at 12:03 AM (#4777978)
Are there any good baseball owners? By good I mean, decent kind generous people?


My father knew Horace Stoneham, who owned the Giants, and he said that Stoneham was one of the most decent and kind people that he had ever met.


   38. McCoy Posted: August 24, 2014 at 12:31 AM (#4777998)
A pleasant drunk?
   39. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 24, 2014 at 12:33 AM (#4777999)
People, people, can't we all agree that this is a terrible side effect of Obamacare AND the Cubs owners are cheap bastards?
This wasn't a side effect of Obamacare. The Cubs owners wanted to make a political statement. That's all.
   40. Bhaakon Posted: August 24, 2014 at 07:23 AM (#4778020)
This wasn't a side effect of Obamacare. The Cubs owners wanted to make a political statement. That's all.


I don't see how those aren't the same thing.
   41. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 24, 2014 at 12:59 PM (#4778098)
If you believe baseball owners...either the Dodgers are losing money and just don't give a ****, or the owners don't care if they only make 50 mill in profits as opposed to 100 mill.


They are working toward the goal of re-establishing themselves over the Angels as L.A.'s dominant baseball team. They are currently maintaining sky-high payrolls because they think it will pay off handsomely in the long run if they accomplish this goal. The payrolls won't stay this high forever.

As for Obamacare, businesses all over the country are reducing employees' hours to avoid the mandatory coverage. Baseball teams are no different. This is so obvious an effect of the policy that the Powers That Be either wanted it to happen or deemed it an acceptable tradeoff.

The effect on the ground is that the entry-level worker who formerly held one job now has to hold two, and those with two jobs now have to hold three, to keep up the same income. McDonald's and Walmart are now sharing employees a lot more than before.
   42. Rants Mulliniks Posted: September 02, 2014 at 07:58 AM (#4783493)
Great bunch of owners you've got there, Cubs fans.


Yep, they even went on "Undercover Boss" to show how much they care.

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