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Saturday, November 17, 2012

Sources: Miami Marlins broke promises to Jose Reyes and Mark Buehrle - MLB News | FOX Sports on MSN

Where were their agents?

The Marlins do not award no-trade clauses, but club officials, while recruiting Reyes and Buerhle as free agents last offseason, assured both players that they would not be moved, sources said.

Buehrle knew the Marlins’ history of dumping high-priced players, and it concerned him, according to a friend. Team president David Samson, however, told both Buehrle and his wife, Jamie, that the team was committed to a long-term vision, sources said.

Jim Furtado Posted: November 17, 2012 at 09:32 AM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: jeffrey loria sucks, jose reyes, mark buerhle, marlins

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   1. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: November 17, 2012 at 09:43 AM (#4304857)
If its not in writing its not worth a damn.

Do the players still have the clause in the CBA that allows them to request a trade or file for free agency a year after a trade when they are on a long term deal?
   2. Derb Posted: November 17, 2012 at 09:50 AM (#4304858)
Can't blame them for being pissed. I would be, too. But as crappy as it is, it's their fault. There's a reason Pujols demanded a no-trade clause and refused to sign when he didn't get it.
   3. Darren Posted: November 17, 2012 at 09:50 AM (#4304860)
No, you can't have any agreements outside what is in the contract!!! (This is what people were screaming when the Jays promised Clemens they would trade him if he asked for it. It was ridiculous then too.)

Bad idea of these players to trust the Marlins especially, though.
   4. Millon deFloss Posted: November 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM (#4304868)
Buehrle knew the Marlins’ history of dumping high-priced players, and it concerned him, according to a friend. Team president David Samson, however, told both Buehrle and his wife, Jamie, that the team was committed to a long-term vision, sources said.


Joan of Arc had visions too, and look what happened to her.
   5. Gonfalon B. Posted: November 17, 2012 at 10:47 AM (#4304872)
There are still ways for Buerhle and Reyes to be Marlins for life. #hemlock
   6. RJ in TO Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM (#4304882)
Why would anyone trust the words of Loria or Sampson?

Do the players still have the clause in the CBA that allows them to request a trade or file for free agency a year after a trade when they are on a long term deal?

No, that's no longer part of the CBA.
   7. boteman digs the circuit clout Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:18 AM (#4304888)
Team president David Samson, however, told both Buehrle and his wife, Jamie, that the team was committed to a long-term vision, sources said.

The Marlins are committed to a long-term vision, just not one that includes Buehrle nor Reyes. Besides, it's a vision that is focused on maximizing Loria's accounts over other silly priorities that some players might hold.
   8. snowles Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM (#4304890)
This seems apt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A
   9. jwb Posted: November 17, 2012 at 12:00 PM (#4304895)
Buehrle signed with the Marlins because he wanted to continue to play for Ozzie Guillen. With Guillen gone, I don't think he much cares. Toronto, however, would be one of the last places that he would like to play. Nothing wrong with the Blue Jays or Toronto, but Ontario has a ban on pit bulls and he's got one.

Buehrle and Reyes are represented by Scott Boras and Peter Greenberg*, respectively. They've both been around the block a few times, they know what a back-loaded contract without a NTC means, and they know how the Marlins do business. I think it very unlikely that they did not explain these things to their clients.

*Greenberg recently sold his agency to Legacy Sports/Greg Genske. I don't know if this means that he works for Legacy, is retiring, or what.

   10. Roger Cedeno's Spleen Posted: November 17, 2012 at 12:29 PM (#4304905)
Because I'm a ####### scorpion, that's why...
   11. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 17, 2012 at 03:27 PM (#4304970)
Team president David Samson, however, told both Buehrle and his wife, Jamie, that the team was committed to a long-term vision, sources said.


If it's not in the contract it's worthless.
   12. Zach Posted: November 17, 2012 at 04:28 PM (#4305025)
The Marlins do not award no-trade clauses, but...

The only meaningful response here is "...but you will this time."

There's no way that a team can unilaterally enforce a policy that's not in the labor agreement. If they want to omit the no-trade clause, you either make them pay for it, or play somewhere else. It might be a tough negotiation, but that's what agents are for.
   13. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: November 17, 2012 at 05:58 PM (#4305112)
[7] beat me to it. I don't see anything in this situation or TFE that's at all inconsistent with what these players were told.
   14. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 17, 2012 at 06:06 PM (#4305126)
No, you can't have any agreements outside what is in the contract!!! (This is what people were screaming when the Jays promised Clemens they would trade him if he asked for it. It was ridiculous then too.)


Keep in mind that Beeston's side deal with Clemens was not an oral agreement; it was actually written down. The problem for Beeston was that it was kept secret from the Commissioner's office and not submitted with the main contract.

EDIT: Here. Quoting now:

Beeston and the Blue Jays would be fined for entering into an agreement when they signed Clemens two years ago that they kept secret by not submitting it to the American League as part of the contract.

...

Ash declined, however, to acknowledge the existence of the written, unsubmitted agreement with Clemens. Initially, it was believed that Beeston had given Clemens only an oral commitment that the team would trade him if he felt the Blue Jays were not going to be contenders. But since Clemens asked a few weeks ago to be traded, the existence of a written agreement has become known.

Two officials said yesterday that the agreement covers five points. One gives Clemens the right to request a trade; another gives him the right to approve the team to which he would be traded...


   15. The District Attorney Posted: November 17, 2012 at 06:13 PM (#4305129)
There's a reason Pujols demanded a no-trade clause and refused to sign when he didn't get it.
Thank God he did. Even granted that he didn't have a super season and the contract looks shaky, I still think that people would really be outraged if Albert Pujols were dealt in this manner, far more than they are now (which is already a lot).
   16. kcgard2 Posted: November 17, 2012 at 06:20 PM (#4305136)
Team president David Samson, however, told both Buehrle and his wife, Jamie, that the team was committed to a long-term vision, sources said.


I wonder what they're mad about. That's definitely not a lie, and if Buerhle had been paying attention to the Marlins at all, it wouldn't be hard to figure out what this was going to mean for him specifically.
   17. winnipegwhip Posted: November 17, 2012 at 09:53 PM (#4305227)
Reply to #8

The players need this guy as an agent. Maybe he is referring to Larry Beinfest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSyAxbYPTww
   18. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:42 AM (#4305405)
Marlins are signing Juan Pierre. That should more than make up for the players leaving, eh?
   19. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:43 AM (#4305406)
Do you actually "sign" Juan Pierre? Or are you inflicted with him.
   20. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:59 AM (#4305413)
Do you actually "sign" Juan Pierre? Or are you inflicted with him.

Pierre has been worth an average of 1.5 WAR the last 4 seasons and was worth 1.7 last season, and has put up a respectable .344 OBP. He's definitely a guy who deserves a spot on a major league roster. Obviously, he has no power (.344 slugging over his last 4 seasons) but he does add value as a baserunner. He's not a starter for a championship ballclub but that's not going to be the 2013 Marlins anyway. For that money, he's more than a decent signing.
   21. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: November 18, 2012 at 02:06 AM (#4305417)
Buehrle and Reyes are represented by Scott Boras and Peter Greenberg*, respectively. They've both been around the block a few times, they know what a back-loaded contract without a NTC means, and they know how the Marlins do business. I think it very unlikely that they did not explain these things to their clients.

Buehrle is represented by Jeff Berry, not Boras. If he were with Boras, he wouldn't have signed two extensions with the White Sox before this contract.
   22. donlock Posted: November 18, 2012 at 11:22 AM (#4305478)
Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?
Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
[a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]


Jeffrey Loria is not a man of his word?
   23. base ball chick Posted: November 18, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4305560)
loria/sampson are lying cheating sacks or horsepoopoo

translation

promises ain't worth the paper they ain't written on. if it ain't written/notarized, you shtt outta luck

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