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Tuesday, November 21, 2017

Sources: MLB hammers Atlanta Braves, declaring 12 minor league players free agents

More like sledgehammers the Braves. I was going to excerpt the punishments but I’d have to include too much of the article.

Jim Furtado Posted: November 21, 2017 at 03:44 PM | 97 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:02 PM (#5579661)
Initial reaction: this seems to be an order of magnitude or two more severe than what the Red Sox got a few years ago. Should be a good deterrent against future bad behavior on the international signing front, though.
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:05 PM (#5579666)
Most notably, perhaps, the Braves will lose their rights to highly regarded prospect Kevin Maitan, as Jon Heyman of Fan Rag first reported (via Twitter) and as earlier reporting suggested. A long list of others are also being stripped from the organization, as Ben Badler of Baseball America reported earlier. Backstop Abrahan Gutierrez, shortstop Yunior Severino, righty Juan Contreras, shortstop Livan Soto and righty Yefri del Rosario are also heading on to the open market, according to the Baseball America report. As Badler explains, all of these players are considered significant talents and important pieces of the Atlanta farm system. Most of the lost prospects, it seems, were members of the club’s vaunted 2015-16 July 2 class. Another big name from that class, Korean shortstop Jihwan Bae, is also being taken from the team, per Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports.


Reposted from the other thread. Names from MLBTR.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:08 PM (#5579669)
Checking against Sickels Braves prospect list, Maitan appears to be the only guy in their top-20 (at #10). So, this is harsh, but hardly devastating.
   4. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:08 PM (#5579670)
Joel Sherman‏ @Joelsherman1
1m1 minute ago

In statement Manfred announces former #Braves GM John Coppolella is banned for life, international head Gordon Blakely for 1 yr
   5. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:14 PM (#5579675)
Wow. This is pretty much the organizational equivalent of BBTF's recommended punishment of choice.
   6. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:16 PM (#5579678)
So, this is harsh, but hardly devastating.

Maybe in terms of lost prospects, but still, this is a decent summary:

Jeff Passan‏ @JeffPassan
2m2 minutes ago

The sanctions against Atlanta are staggering. It's not just losing 12 players, some potentially elite, and the $20M+ they cost. It's the crippling signing restrictions in 2019-20 and 2020-21. This is the sort of penalty that will make teams think long and hard about cheating.

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
2m2 minutes ago

#Braves also prevented from signing any int’l player for more than $10K during 2019=20 signing period. Their pool for 2020-21 will be reduced by 50 percent. Also will forfeit third-round selection in 2018 domestic draft.
   7. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:16 PM (#5579679)
Lifetime ban against John Coppolella, per MLBTR.

EDIT: Coke to #4
   8. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:17 PM (#5579681)
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
7m7 minutes ago

MLB confirms details of story by @JeffPassan on Braves penalties - loss of 12 int’l signees, etc. Coppolella banned for life. Blakeley receives one-year suspension. Other Braves’ International Baseball Ops employees to be disciplined.


Curious about that last sentence - who and how
   9. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:18 PM (#5579684)
Gutierrez was also fairly expensive and well-regarded.
   10. jmurph Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:22 PM (#5579686)
In statement Manfred announces former #Braves GM John Coppolella is banned for life, international head Gordon Blakely for 1 yr

Holy ####.
   11. jmurph Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:23 PM (#5579688)
Wow. This is pretty much the organizational equivalent of BBTF's recommended punishment of choice.

This honestly might be less than some of the more, uhh, motivated posters were suggesting for Boston's apple watch violation. That wild day or two of speculation remains absolutely hilarious.
   12. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:27 PM (#5579692)
So this is like having their children taken away?
   13. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:30 PM (#5579698)
This is definitely the sort of punishment one would never levy against a Boston or New York.
   14. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:30 PM (#5579699)
So this is like having their children taken away?

Yeah, that's what I was getting at.
   15. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:32 PM (#5579703)
Is this even legal?
   16. The_Ex Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:36 PM (#5579709)
Well the Braves deliberately broke the rules. So they shouldn't benefit from an illegal effort.

Many of the players who are made free agents are still playing in the DSL or the GCL. Some teams don't scout that low down so there might be a lack of scouting knowledge for these players.
   17. jmurph Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:39 PM (#5579713)
This is definitely the sort of punishment one would never levy against a Boston or New York.

Yeeessssssss. Unleash it. I want the intense homerism in all its glory.
   18. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:40 PM (#5579716)
Since I'm too lazy to get into the details. Compared to the infractions that the Red Sox committed, did the Braves do far more horrible things? Was is the quantity of infractions?

The penalty is pretty harsh and the Red Sox penalty was sort of in the wrist slapping category. What I'm trying to ascertain is this. Did the Red Sox do similar things and just get a much lighter sentence?

As most know I'm a Red Sox fan, however if they got away lightly with similar infractions then that's a really sh*tty deal for the Braves and terribly inconsistent on the part of MLB.
   19. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:41 PM (#5579717)
Many of the players who are made free agents are still playing in the DSL or the GCL. Some teams don't scout that low down so there might be a lack of scouting knowledge for these players.


I forget the timing of this but given that the Sox lost players in 2015(?) for similar infractions I assume that if these teams were still playing that teams at least sent someone to take a quick look just in case.
   20. RickG Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:47 PM (#5579727)
I apologize for being something of a dunce here, but is there anywhere that has a rundown of what, exactly, the Braves *did*? I know they circumvented the International signing rules, and I know they did it often. But I don't seem to know how often, or what exactly that meant. Thanks.
   21. winnipegwhip Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:48 PM (#5579730)
Joe Morgan has just sent out a letter urging no Atlanta Braves nor international players be allowed into the Hall of Fame.
   22. Swedish Chef Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:49 PM (#5579731)
I apologize for being something of a dunce here, but is there anywhere that has a rundown of what, exactly, the Braves *did*? I know they circumvented the International signing rules, and I know they did it often. But I don't seem to know how often, or what exactly that meant. Thanks.

Here is the official version
   23. winnipegwhip Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:51 PM (#5579736)
#20
We would know if the Braves werent on double secret probation under Manfreds watch.
   24. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:52 PM (#5579737)
@18

Not really. What they seem to have done is ignored the Red Sox case entirely, bundled and gamed signings in 2014-15, and spent a ton of money over the limit that year. Then they did it again in 2015-16, which is the year they signed Maitan and the other people being "declared free agents" (but not really, the fake "international free agent limit" type again.) The idea seems to be that because they would have been over spent in the preceding year that they lose everyone signed after that.
   25. TJ Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:53 PM (#5579739)
In statement Manfred announces former #Braves GM John Coppolella is banned for life,


Geez, what did Coppolella do, kidnap these players off an elementary school playground and smuggle them into the States in a suitcase or something?
   26. RickG Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:55 PM (#5579742)
#22, exactly what I wanted. Thanks.
   27. winnipegwhip Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:58 PM (#5579746)
At this point I believe it is fair to ask: Is Manfred on a power trip or was Selig asleep at the switch while being the commissioner of MLB?
   28. winnipegwhip Posted: November 21, 2017 at 05:06 PM (#5579755)
Betcha these penalties wouldn't have happened when the Braves were negotiating a new stadium deal.
   29. jmurph Posted: November 21, 2017 at 05:07 PM (#5579758)
The player stuff seems to make sense but the lifetime ban is really surprising to me.
   30. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 21, 2017 at 05:12 PM (#5579766)
I'm pretty sure the lifetime ban is meant to scare other people off from doing anything that would lead to Boston, New York or St Louis even not getting a prospect they wanted.
   31. The_Ex Posted: November 21, 2017 at 05:13 PM (#5579769)
Its to pree-mpt an Ohtani runaround.
   32. Zach Posted: November 21, 2017 at 05:16 PM (#5579776)
A lifetime ban seems harsh for anything that doesn't result in criminal charges or thrown games.
   33. winnipegwhip Posted: November 21, 2017 at 05:20 PM (#5579782)
It is time that Coppolella goes Canseco and puts out a book. What is there to lose? Get a job with the Cleveland Browns?
   34. Khrushin it bro Posted: November 21, 2017 at 05:23 PM (#5579786)
I hope the A's sign Yunior Severino, Yefri del Rosario and start offering yumbo nachos and yumbo cervesas at the Coliseum.
   35. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: November 21, 2017 at 05:25 PM (#5579788)
In practice "Lifetime ban" likely parses to "indefinite ban to be reviewed on a yearly basis."
   36. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: November 21, 2017 at 05:26 PM (#5579790)
This is going to put a real crimp into Atlanta's rebuilding process.
   37. wjones Posted: November 21, 2017 at 05:37 PM (#5579803)
Not understanding the swirly on Coppy. So don't you think he sues MLB/speaks out about who else is doing similar stuff? Maybe Manfred is on a power trip, and this could very well cost him.
   38. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 21, 2017 at 05:42 PM (#5579806)
As most know I'm a Red Sox fan, however if they got away lightly with similar infractions then that's a really sh*tty deal for the Braves and terribly inconsistent on the part of MLB.


I think it's now widely understood that the office of the commissioner plays favorites and it isn't considered good manners to bring it up.
   39. Khrushin it bro Posted: November 21, 2017 at 05:47 PM (#5579809)
Favorites to the big market teams or against them? I'm confused.
   40. KJOK Posted: November 21, 2017 at 06:02 PM (#5579818)
In practice "Lifetime ban" likely parses to "indefinite ban to be reviewed on a yearly basis."


Isn't that what Petey Rose thought he got?

   41. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 21, 2017 at 06:26 PM (#5579831)
So don't you think he sues MLB/speaks out about who else is doing similar stuff?

There doesn't seem to be any actual evidence that "everybody does it", at least to the extent practiced by Coppolella and the Braves. Suing MLB isn't likely, either. Coppolella can't afford the legal fees, and it doesn't sound like he has a case anyone would take on a contingent fee. What's his claim, MLB isn't allowed to enforce its own rules?
   42. Rennie's Tenet Posted: November 21, 2017 at 06:27 PM (#5579833)
Low road: the postseason could only have been better if the Braves had been taken out, too. This is like dessert.
   43. Random Transaction Generator Posted: November 21, 2017 at 06:51 PM (#5579841)
In statement Manfred announces former #Braves GM John Coppolella is banned for life


So he's not getting into the hall of fame, right?
   44. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: November 21, 2017 at 06:59 PM (#5579842)
So don't you think he sues MLB/
For?
   45. The Duke Posted: November 21, 2017 at 07:00 PM (#5579843)
Kill one person and a thousand people listen. This will be very effective
   46. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 21, 2017 at 07:02 PM (#5579844)
Favorites to the big market teams or against them?


It isn't as simple as big vs small. Boston, for example, is a big market but serves the commissioner's purpose of being a bulwark against the Yankees, so Boston gets preferential consideration. The disparity between Boston's punishment and Atlanta's is quite stark.
   47. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 21, 2017 at 07:17 PM (#5579849)
Coppolella came up they the Yankees org of course.
   48. Captain Supporter Posted: November 21, 2017 at 07:20 PM (#5579850)
I applaud the the lifetime ban, but it is hardly necessary. Who exactly would want to hire Coppolella after this?
   49. 'Spos Posted: November 21, 2017 at 08:40 PM (#5579870)
Who exactly would want to hire Coppolella after this?


I can imagine 29 teams wanting info on the free agents.
   50. ReggieThomasLives Posted: November 21, 2017 at 09:30 PM (#5579881)
This is definitely the sort of punishment one would never levy against a Boston or New York.


Boston or New York?

Whatabout Kim Jong Un? He’s done far worse than Coppy and Manfred hasn’t done anything about it!
   51. Lars6788 Posted: November 21, 2017 at 10:07 PM (#5579893)
Who exactly would want to hire Coppolella after this?


Fangraphs
   52. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: November 21, 2017 at 10:15 PM (#5579895)
51 is funny, but no better than the 6th funniest post in the thread.

I kid, of course, but there’s some quality work here, particularly 5 and 21.
   53. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: November 21, 2017 at 11:09 PM (#5579906)
Kill one person and a thousand people listen. This will be very effective

Jeffrey Dean Morgan's character gave a lengthy speech on this very topic on the most recent episode of The Walking Dead. There's even a baseball connection to the methods to his madness.
   54. Meatwad Posted: November 21, 2017 at 11:39 PM (#5579923)
So whats to stop the braves from signing these players at 10k each? I must have missed something.
   55. catomi01 Posted: November 21, 2017 at 11:43 PM (#5579927)
At this point I believe it is fair to ask: Is Manfred on a power trip or was Selig asleep at the switch while being the commissioner of MLB?


Yes
   56. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: November 22, 2017 at 12:01 AM (#5579938)
So whats to stop the braves from signing these players at 10k each? I must have missed something.


I think the fact that they're FAs - and other teams can offer them much more.

I kid, of course, but there’s some quality work here, particularly 5 and 21.


Indeed. All the good jokes are already taken.
   57. Nero Wolfe, Indeed Posted: November 22, 2017 at 01:13 AM (#5579969)
It is time that Coppolella goes Canseco and puts out a book. What is there to lose? Get a job with the Cleveland Browns?



Good God, the man has suffered enough.
   58. JimMusComp likes Billy Eppler.... Posted: November 22, 2017 at 01:20 AM (#5579971)
Jeffrey Dean Morgan's character gave a lengthy speech on this very topic on the most recent episode of The Walking Dead. There's even a baseball connection to the methods to his madness.


First thing I thought of when I read that comment. I was late to The Walking Dead, but I caught up two summers ago just in time for Season 7, Episode 1. I've been hooked since.
   59. Swedish Chef Posted: November 22, 2017 at 03:42 AM (#5579973)
So whats to stop the braves from signing these players at 10k each? I must have missed something.

Why would they take less to stay with the Braves? But I wonder if they will even be allowed to sign them, from Manfred's statement:

In order to remedy these violations, I am releasing these players from their contracts with the Braves and declaring them free agents eligible to sign with any other Club. The procedures governing the players' release and the signing process will be communicated to MLB Clubs under separate cover.
   60. bigglou115 is not an Illuminati agent Posted: November 22, 2017 at 08:30 AM (#5579987)
@59 The language is confusing, but it's being reported that the commissioners office is indicating that the Braves can resign these players on May 1, there's been some word that they'd have to do that without even being allowed to pay $10k, that they'd have to basically sign for the bonus the braves have already forfeited. Some sources say they'd be able to give the $10k bonus. Either way nobody is that.
   61. bfan Posted: November 22, 2017 at 08:32 AM (#5579988)
This is definitely the sort of punishment one would never levy against a Boston or New York.


This.
   62. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 22, 2017 at 08:34 AM (#5579989)
The league invented an entirely new economic model built around punishing the New York Yankees. As the kids say, "Miss me with this Bud was pro-Yankee ####."
   63. bunyon Posted: November 22, 2017 at 11:13 AM (#5580114)
I like the lifetime ban. IMO, sports league should use this far more extensively against managers. Yes, I'm looking at you, NCAA. Rather than punishing teams (which should also happen) coaches, GMs, etc. who break rules should be kicked out. What's the downside? Who cares about the GM? And, yet, the GM is the one responsible for adhering to the rules. Squeeze the #### out of those guys.

And they should re-apply the curse on the Sox, obviously.
   64. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: November 22, 2017 at 11:21 AM (#5580122)
I like the lifetime ban. IMO, sports league should use this far more extensively against managers. Yes, I'm looking at you, NCAA. Rather than punishing teams (which should also happen) coaches, GMs, etc. who break rules should be kicked out. What's the downside? Who cares about the GM? And, yet, the GM is the one responsible for adhering to the rules. Squeeze the #### out of those guys.


Cosign.
   65. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: November 22, 2017 at 11:28 AM (#5580129)
This is definitely the sort of punishment one would never levy against a Boston or New York.


This.


Gee, and here I was thinking there was a vast conspiracy against those teams.

I think this position is just as crazy as Clapper's revenue sharing hobbyhorse.
   66. jmurph Posted: November 22, 2017 at 11:35 AM (#5580143)
I think this position is just as crazy as Clapper's revenue sharing hobbyhorse.

It's not just crazy, it should be an embarrassing thing to express as an adult, even anonymously on the internet. The league is out to get my team! It's baffling. This is like accidentally reading the comments on an ESPN or Fox Sports article.

(Also I think you meant YR's hobbyhorse?)
   67. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 22, 2017 at 11:44 AM (#5580152)
The league is out to get my team! It's baffling.


Indeed, with the exception of the New York Yankees, who have clearly been targeted by the league for the past 20 years, it's a crazy proposition for a fan to make.

But of course then you remember how the NBA coddled the big-revenue Bulls in the 90s.
   68. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: November 22, 2017 at 11:46 AM (#5580155)
It's not just crazy, it should be an embarrassing thing to express as an adult, even anonymously on the internet. The league is out to get my team!
The league is most definitely NOT out to get the Atlanta Braves. Thinking so is silly. However, they're also not out to protect the Atlanta Braves, either. That privilege goes to a small handful.
   69. jmurph Posted: November 22, 2017 at 11:52 AM (#5580165)
That privilege goes to a small handful.

Humor me, who is in that handful?
   70. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: November 22, 2017 at 11:52 AM (#5580166)
(Also I think you meant YR's hobbyhorse?


I forget who has the hobbyhorse, I just get tired of watching get ridden.
   71. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: November 22, 2017 at 12:32 PM (#5580205)
Humor me, who is in that handful?
I don't think the Yankees or Red Sox would take it in the teeth the way Atlanta did.
   72. Lassus Posted: November 22, 2017 at 12:37 PM (#5580210)
This is definitely the sort of punishment one would never levy against a Boston or New York.

They wouldn't have to, because Yankees (note: not the team, just, everyone in general) are smarter than you people.
   73. jmurph Posted: November 22, 2017 at 12:41 PM (#5580212)
The Red Sox lost 5 players (who got to keep their bonuses) and couldn't participate in the next signing window. For a similar, though apparently smaller in nature, scandal. This one was apparently bigger, also involved a player in the draft, and happened like a year after the league came down heavily on Boston. What is surprising, or disproportionate, about this?
   74. Khrushin it bro Posted: November 22, 2017 at 01:22 PM (#5580259)
You can't see how this effects the Yankees? How blind are you???
   75. jmurph Posted: November 22, 2017 at 01:29 PM (#5580273)
You can't see how this effects the Yankees? How blind are you???

Who is this directed at, and is it a serious question or are you, correctly, mocking YR?
   76. Bhaakon Posted: November 22, 2017 at 01:42 PM (#5580284)
The Red Sox lost 5 players (who got to keep their bonuses) and couldn't participate in the next signing window. For a similar, though apparently smaller in nature, scandal. This one was apparently bigger, also involved a player in the draft, and happened like a year after the league came down heavily on Boston. What is surprising, or disproportionate, about this?


Yeah, It's easy to think like the criminal justice system, where like crimes are theoretically supposed to receive like punishments, and think the Braves got hammered and Boston got off easy. But I don't think that's the right POV. Like you say, the Boston got a fairly stiff punishment and the Braves did it anyway. Which means the cost benefit analysis might have still favored risking getting caught. Which means the punishment should have been stiffer to get the required deterrent. This is a crime of calculation, after all, not passion.

Just hope your team isn't the next one to get caught, because they'll probably get it worse.
   77. bfan Posted: November 22, 2017 at 01:56 PM (#5580293)
well, what about selective enforcement, if much of what is being done here is by most accounts I have read, being done by other organizations? Yes, the Braves were bad and for that they got punished. They were going 70 mph in a 60 mph zone, and they were just thrown in jail for a month while everyone else never even turned off the cruise control.

And while I do not give a crap about John Coppallela, did anyone in Boston lose their career, for life?
   78. jmurph Posted: November 22, 2017 at 02:04 PM (#5580296)
well, what about selective enforcement, if much of what is being done here is by most accounts I have read, being done by other organizations? Yes, the Braves were bad and for that they got punished. They were going 70 mph in a 60 mph zone, and they were just thrown in jail for a month while everyone else never even turned off the cruise control.

Do you honestly, genuinely believe that MLB has caught other teams doing this and done nothing? Or has proof that other teams are doing this and done nothing? Seriously?

Don't get caught doing a worse version of the thing that a team just got hammered for like 18 months ago, and add in draft shenanigans on top of that.

And while I do not give a crap about John Coppallela, did anyone in Boston lose their career, for life?

This did not happen to the Red Sox, nor did it happen to the Braves. It happened to a guy already fired (or did he resign?). I also think that part is over the top, but it's probably also a fairly clear signal that, no, the other teams are not in fact all doing this.

But above all, please everyone stop with the nonsense that MLB wouldn't do this to Boston or New York. It just happened! Not that long ago.
   79. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 22, 2017 at 02:06 PM (#5580297)
well, what about selective enforcement, if much of what is being done here is by most accounts I have read, being done by other organizations?

Isn't that just whining by the Braves apologists, here & elsewhere? Not unlike the Cardinals claim they had to "inspect" the Astros computers [repeatedly!] to make sure they hadn't stolen the Cardinal's proprietary information? There doesn't seem to be any actual proof that other teams - except the Red Sox on a smaller scale - did anything like the Braves.
   80. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 22, 2017 at 02:23 PM (#5580306)
It looks like both the Braves and the Red Sox lost the players who were illegally obtained. The Braves lost more because they illegally obtained more players. Seems like even-handed enforcement.

But I also wouldn't disagree with MLB upping the penalties after seeing that the penalties levied on Boston didn't scare Atlanta into not doing it. Maybe more GMs will be hesitant to break the rules if they know a lifetime ban is a possibility.
   81. Khrushin it bro Posted: November 22, 2017 at 02:35 PM (#5580316)
Who is this directed at, and is it a serious question or are you, correctly, mocking YR?


Just mocking YR haha.
   82. Captain Supporter Posted: November 22, 2017 at 06:59 PM (#5580437)
Any notion that the Yankees are somehow favored was quashed forever when Bud Selig appointed George Mitchell to take charge of the "Independent Investigation" into drug use. Now favoritism towards Boston on the other hand.....Lets just say that MLB has done a fine job in making up for Roger Goodell's clear bias against the Patriots by tilting the scales firmly in the other direction when it came to the Red Sox. If Bill Belichick ever used an Apple Watch to cheat, he'd be banned for life plus 100 years. The Red Sox just get a gentle tap on the shoulder with a warning not to be stupid enough to get caught next time.
   83. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: November 22, 2017 at 07:09 PM (#5580440)
Rest assured that all Red Sox fans here are laughing at you. Can we rehash the Apple watch 'scandal'? Pretty please? That was such a hoot! Couldn't get a grin off my face for days.
   84. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 22, 2017 at 07:17 PM (#5580443)
Any notion that the Yankees are somehow favored was quashed forever when Bud Selig appointed George Mitchell to take charge of the "Independent Investigation" into drug use.


Oh the chowderheads all know it too. Just like fans of the Bulls knew the league was instructing referees to protect their star player Airball Jordan. When #83 says they're laughing their braying Freddie Quimby "HAW HAW HAW" it isn't the laugh of genuine mirth, it's the laugh of someone in on a con who knows they've gotten away with it.
   85. manchestermets Posted: November 23, 2017 at 09:05 AM (#5580536)
When MLB say that the players have been declared free agents, that isn't free agency in the sense of a player who's been in the major leagues for six years is it?

I am enjoying the way that YR has jumped on this exemplary punishment handed to the Braves to advance his MLB is out to get the Yankees hobbyhorse. Highly convincing, I'm sure.
   86. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 23, 2017 at 09:17 AM (#5580538)
Eh, if someone is deluded enough to claim "This is definitely the sort of punishment one would never levy against a Boston or New York" you shouldn't blame me for smacking them in the face with the pendulous phallus of reality.
   87. manchestermets Posted: November 23, 2017 at 10:16 AM (#5580551)
Except you haven't actually provided an example of this sort of punishment being levied against them. And no, the rules on income distribution to which they agreed don't count as such. If they don't like those rules, I suppose they could withdraw from MLB and play intrasquad games against themselves every night. Good luck getting anyone to pay to watch that though.
   88. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 23, 2017 at 10:23 AM (#5580553)
Except you haven't actually provided an example of this sort of punishment being levied against them. And no, the rules on income distribution to which they agreed don't count as such.


Because you say so?

How many teams were over the punitive "Luxury Tax" when the threshold was first announced? Let's start there.

If they don't like those rules, I suppose they could withdraw from MLB and play intrasquad games against themselves every night.


And if the negro objects to Jim Crow they can go back to Africa. "Like it or lump it" is the justification of tyrants.
   89. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 23, 2017 at 10:31 AM (#5580555)
The Yankees, who spent the second highest on player payroll in 2017, are not akin to black people living und goddamned Jim Crow you ####.
   90. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 23, 2017 at 11:02 AM (#5580567)
Big Chief Brave is heap big PC on Thanksgiving. Cry like squaw when caught cheating with wampum.
   91. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 23, 2017 at 12:10 PM (#5580579)
Except you haven't actually provided an example of this sort of punishment being levied against them. And no, the rules on income distribution to which they agreed don't count as such. If they don't like those rules, I suppose they could withdraw from MLB and play intrasquad games against themselves every night. Good luck getting anyone to pay to watch that though.

Yankee Redneck is unhinged on this topic, but there is no doubt the luxury tax regime was put in place directly to hamstring the Yankees.
   92. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 23, 2017 at 12:19 PM (#5580580)
And if the negro objects to Jim Crow they can go back to Africa.


That is really offensive, on several different levels.
   93. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: November 23, 2017 at 03:06 PM (#5580610)
Then YR has done his job.

I came to this thread for the Rickey whining, and then I get treated to lots of unexpected Yankee fan whining, too. Pleasant little bonus.
   94. dog poop god Posted: November 23, 2017 at 03:54 PM (#5580613)
They wouldn't have to, because Yankees (note: not the team, just, everyone in general) are smarter than you people

Coppolella is from Brooklyn and graduated with honors from Notre Dame.

Still count as hick from the sticks?
   95. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 23, 2017 at 03:55 PM (#5580614)
And if the negro objects to Jim Crow they can go back to Africa.

That is really offensive, on several different levels.


It really is obnoxious how people still fall back on these "If you don't like the injustices imposed on you just stop whining and go someplace else" arguments. You'd think we were better than that, but here we are.
   96. wjones Posted: November 27, 2017 at 10:17 AM (#5581370)
If they don't like those rules, I suppose they could withdraw from MLB and play intrasquad games against themselves every night.


And if the negro objects to Jim Crow they can go back to Africa. "Like it or lump it" is the justification of tyrants.


Apparently the Commissioner, once he imposes the pitch clock and other such restrictions, is essentially going to be saying this to the MLBPA.

   97. wjones Posted: November 27, 2017 at 10:20 AM (#5581371)
They wouldn't have to, because Yankees (note: not the team, just, everyone in general) are smarter than you people

Coppolella is from Brooklyn and graduated with honors from Notre Dame.

Still count as hick from the sticks?


Classic Yankee arrogance; not broad brushing all folks from the Northeast, but he always struck me as being the stereotypical "I am the smartest guy in the room" kind of guy; plus the classic "little man syndrome", which most likely lad to the reputed complaints of his being an ass to work for.

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