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1. Tripon Posted: December 17, 2008 at 08:41 PM (#3031888)For whatever (not much) that's worth.
That leaves the Yankees as the Wild Card and this could play out like the Johnny Damon thing did where the Yanks swoop in at the last minute and say "here's more money than everyone else, you have an hour." It's actually a smart way for the Yankees to do busines, rather than set the market for everyone else just let the market set itself then beat it by a reasonable amount rather than doing the "A-Rod to the Rangers" thing and beat the market by $100 million.
I thought the smart thing was to make a big early offer to knock other bidders out of the competition, like they did with CC? I think the real strategy is just offering a boatload of money.
Kevin Millar last year had 500+ at bats, an OPS of 87, and meh defense. O's ranked 7th in the AL in runs.
Some combination of Scott/Huff/Freel at 1b/DH would already be a huge improvement, and the club's gonna lose 90+ games owing to the complete lack of a starting rotation.
$20+ Mil. for Tex isn't the way to go.
Kevin Millar last year had 500+ at bats, an OPS of 87, and meh defense. O's ranked 7th in the AL in runs.
Some combination of Scott/Huff/Freel at 1b/DH would already be a huge improvement, and the club's gonna lose 90+ games owing to the complete lack of a starting rotation.
$20+ Mil. for Tex isn't the way to go.
I don't get this argument. This isn't a one year deal, and Teixiera isn't 37. He could help them for years, and the Orioles could easily be a contender from 2010-2012 or so, when he'll still be in his prime. Even just for 2009, Tex, Wieters, and Izturis could be worth 8-9 additional wins for the Orioles, so that puts them close to .500. If a couple of their pitching prospects develop, they'll be well positioned for a run in 2010.
Yep. Again, I think it makes a lot of sense for the Orioles to do this and, if Tex really wants to go there, they should work something out. The O's are really close to being relevant again.
That would make them serious players, all right.
I like the guy. I even know someone who used to work at the Severna Park Dunkin' Donuts who said they waited on him and considered him an excellent customer. But paying out $20+ mil. a year, for 10 years, for a handful of marginal wins?
He's not exactly on sale...
/Also, check #2 on his BBRef comps...
He fills one, on the bench. If you're smart enough not to play him every day, anyway.
I have some reservations about Teixeira, but I won't post them again, so as to not aggravate good old Larry Mahlken.
In any case, the Teixeira situation is VERY different from the Sabathia situation, because the Yankees perceived (rightly or wrongly) that they NEEDED Sabathia and HAD TO HAVE HIM.
With Teixeira it would be a different situation, in that they may not NEED HIM (I assume signing Teixeira means no Pettitte and/or Cameron, and that path - Pettitte and Cameron - was also an option for the Yankees in 2009), but they would certainly derive some benefits from getting him....
Again, I'm not following. Are you saying that he isn't worth $20-25M for any team? I'll defer to others with more expertise, but isn't he worth 5-6 wins over replacement? If a win is worth $4M, $20-25M is a fair price. Or are you saying that he isn't worth that to the ORioles? If the latter, that only makes sense if you think the Orioles are 4-5 years from contention and Tex's salary will make it impossible for the team to improve in other areas, neither of which is accurate IMO.
Well, attendance was below 2 mil. MASN can't be a money-maker, way too many public-service ads and the Nats are a disaster. Over the last 40 years, economically speaking, when DC sneezes, Baltimore catches double-pneumonia. Yeah, there are other sources of funds coming in from MLB, but... I'd be veddy cautious spending money, and this is going to be, what, a top-five salary in the AL, right?
I like Tex. By OPS+, his numbers in his 20s aren't that far below Delgado's. But, as to the future, how much better will the 30-year-old Tex of 2010 be than the 23-year-old Brandon Snyder of 2010? (Not that I'm sold on Snyder, but... $20 mil. vs. $400k?)
If I'm McPhail, and I'm not... this isn't a deal I chase.
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The Sun (the local Baltimore newspaper, not the stellar object) has occassionally talked about the Orioles having their eye on Teixera because he's a hometown boy, there are no obvious 1Bmen of the future he'd be blocking, fans of almost very team want their squad to make a big splash in the off-season, and because newspaper columnists want to have something new to write about.
You can only write so many variations of "local fans have given up on the team and think Angelos isn't trying to win" and "Yankee/Red Sox fans are talking over our ballpark every time their team comes to town."
So people who write about baseball in Baltimore write about Teixiera regardless of the odds he'd ever end up in an O's uniform and have been since the second Texas was even considering trading him away.
They should trade him for Saltalamacchia!
The rest of the list ain't particularly inspiring either.
Especially not the one you guys seem to be looking at - that's Davis's entire career. The "through age 28" list for Tex is far, far nicer.
I still think he'll sign with the Red Sox, but I think we're going to see this drama play out for a while.
He is just awful. His defense in no way makes up for his lack of offense.
He will struggle to put up a 600 ops in 2009.
You are right that they won't compete next year, but it will be because of their near-total lack of starting pitching, not because of Izturis.
Their shortstops were so horrificly far below replacement last year that Izturis should be a 4 win upgrade. That's about the same as the upgrade from Millar to Tex.
Their lineup, with Tex, would be plenty deep to handle a no-hit shortstop and would be above average offensively and defensively.
Tex signing with the Nats may be the best-case scenario for the O's, actually. It gets him out of the AL and specifically keeps him away from the other AL East teams.
Also, the only way I can see Tex signing with the Nats is if they significantly outbid the Orioles (and the other teams) - AKA a contract that the Orioles are better off not touching.
Last year it did, actually. He's easily worth $2.5M/year. And, as DKDC pointed out, he's a huge upgrade for the Orioles.
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