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Sources: The Diamondbacks are either close or in agreement on a trade that would send Justin Upton to the Seattle Mariners - MLB News | FOX Sports on MSN

Phoenix or Seattle? I’d go with Seattle.

The Diamondbacks were in agreement on a trade that would have sent Upton to the Seattle Mariners, but the two-time All-Star rejected the proposed deal, major-league sources say.

Jim Furtado Posted: January 10, 2013 at 08:33 PM | 66 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: January 10, 2013 at 09:07 PM (#4344658)
Nixed by Upton per CBS Sportsline.

The deal would have sent three or four players back to Arizona, according to CBSSports.com sources. Included among those players would have been relievers Charlie Furbush and Stephen Pryor, minor-league shortstop Nick Franklin and, likely, one of three minor-league starting pitching prospects: Right-hander Taijuan Walker, lefty James Paxton or lefty Danny Hultzen.
   2. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: January 10, 2013 at 09:12 PM (#4344661)
I'm seeing the same reporting at HBT.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/10/report-justin-upton-rejected-trade-to-mariners/

FWIW Larry Stone says the deal was most likely Furbush OR Pryor plus Franklin and one of Walker/Paxton/Hultzen.

Four teams on Upton's no-trade: Seattle, Boston, Cubs and Toronto.
   3. Mike Emeigh Posted: January 10, 2013 at 09:14 PM (#4344663)
That would have been a great deal for Arizona.

-- MWE
   4. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: January 10, 2013 at 09:25 PM (#4344668)
On the one hand, that's too good a deal for the DBacks. On the other hand, as an M's fan, this is sort of humiliating. Zack Greinke did this exact same thing to the Nats not too long ago.
   5. rr Posted: January 10, 2013 at 09:40 PM (#4344676)
Wonder why Upton has an NTC for those four teams? Maybe he doesn't want to live in Canada, I guess. But as to the others...two big-market teams and the team in the Pacific Northwest. I mean, Upton is cool with being a Pirate or a Royal or being in Chicago with the White Sox...but does not want to be with the Red Sox, Cubs, or Mariners.
   6. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: January 10, 2013 at 09:53 PM (#4344686)
Wonder why Upton has an NTC for those four teams? Maybe he doesn't want to live in Canada, I guess. But as to the others...two big-market teams and the team in the Pacific Northwest. I mean, Upton is cool with being a Pirate or a Royal or being in Chicago with the White Sox...but does not want to be with the Red Sox, Cubs, or Mariners.
Like all partial NTCs, Justin Upton's gets revised immediately at the beginning of every offseason. Therefore this year Upton put the Mariners, Blue Jays, Cubs, and Red Sox on his four-team NTC list precisely because they were four teams mooted to be most likely to be spending big money or making big trades to change things up during the offseason. Which suggests that this may just be about leverage and further negotiation tactics.
   7. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: January 10, 2013 at 09:56 PM (#4344688)
The big markets make sense. If I'm his agent I tell him to do just that and if that means you can bleed the Sox or Cubs for a few million extra bucks if a deal gets made all the better.

Seattle is kind of random. The Mariners had the 3rd pick in the draft the year he went #1 and I wonder if maybe someone from the organization was rude to him pre-draft or something like that. That's of course just a completely wild guess on my part because I agree, they seem random.
   8. stealfirstbase Posted: January 10, 2013 at 09:57 PM (#4344689)
Cubs and Red Sox, the explanation that jumped out to me was racism. Toronto, maybe there's a tax issue involved, or just the playing outside the country thing.

Mariners? Maybe he thinks they irredeemably suck? They've been bad for a while now.

Edit: 6 makes sense.
   9. JJ1986 Posted: January 10, 2013 at 10:07 PM (#4344694)
Maybe he just doesn't want to hit in Safeco.
   10. DA Baracus Posted: January 10, 2013 at 10:10 PM (#4344695)
Would you want to play for the Mariners this year? I wouldn't.
   11. rr Posted: January 10, 2013 at 10:12 PM (#4344697)
Like all partial NTCs, Justin Upton's gets revised immediately at the beginning of every offseason


I wasn't aware of this. That is a very powerful tool for agents.
   12. Rough Carrigan Posted: January 10, 2013 at 10:37 PM (#4344707)
Maybe he just hates Theo Epstein and doesn't want to be anywhere he was working or is working.
   13. Kurt Posted: January 10, 2013 at 10:41 PM (#4344709)
I thought maybe it was a Heathcliff Slocumb thing, but he'd have to add a few more teams to the list.
   14. 1k5v3L Posted: January 10, 2013 at 10:42 PM (#4344710)
Justin Upton is sticking it to Towers/Kendrick/Hall triumvirate. I like it. Two enthusiastic thumbs up.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:15 AM (#4344747)
minor-league shortstop Nick Franklin

Let me guess ....
   16. Dale Sams Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:44 AM (#4344761)
Cubs and Red Sox, the explanation that jumped out to me was racism.


What?? Sox have Carl Crawford, Darnell McDonald and Joey Gathright...right?
   17. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:59 AM (#4344769)
Mariners? Maybe he thinks they irredeemably suck? They've been bad for a while now.

Edit: 6 makes sense.


It's a thread about the Mariners, of course #6 makes sense.
   18. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: January 11, 2013 at 01:00 AM (#4344770)
Also, maybe he knows how Safeco suppresses offense and doesn't want to go to that kind of park before he hits free agency....
   19. Into the Void Posted: January 11, 2013 at 01:55 AM (#4344786)
Also, maybe he knows how Safeco suppresses offense and doesn't want to go to that kind of park before he hits free agency....


If that was the case he would add San Diego, Miami, and others too. I agree the common thread is "places I wouldn't feel comfortable playing as a black man." Or paying taxes.
   20. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: January 11, 2013 at 02:29 AM (#4344798)
Or paying taxes.

Washington state has no personal income tax. All California teams should be on the list if he wanted to avoid taxes.

I agree the common thread is "places I wouldn't feel comfortable playing as a black man

Why would a black man not want to play in Chicago. It worked out pretty well for Michael Jordan and Barack Obama.

   21. shoewizard Posted: January 11, 2013 at 03:22 AM (#4344806)
They are all cold places
   22. Walt Davis Posted: January 11, 2013 at 03:36 AM (#4344809)
They are all cold places

Unlike Milwaukee, Cleveland, Detroit, Minnestoa ...
   23. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: January 11, 2013 at 03:53 AM (#4344812)
I guess the South Side may be warmer than the North Side
   24. Bhaakon Posted: January 11, 2013 at 04:44 AM (#4344815)
If that was the case he would add San Diego, Miami, and others too. I agree the common thread is "places I wouldn't feel comfortable playing as a black man." Or paying taxes.


The Marlins and Padres are much less likely to swing a trade for him. It's probably some combination of most likely to trade for him and places he doesn't want to play; given the limited number of NTC spots, any possible explanation or combinations of explanations is going to leave outsiders asking "if team x, then why not team Y?"

And who knows, it could be something as minor as Young not liking the travel (the Mariners routinely have the most travel time, because of their geographical isolation).
   25. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 11, 2013 at 06:21 AM (#4344819)
Those NTC teams have a clear connecting thread. Clubs likely to seek to trade for Upton - clubs in northern cities. Eso has to be right that it's about leverage, but if it was only about leverage, Texas would have been on there. Upton is from the south, iirc. (EDIT: Well, Virginia, but still I'm sticking with it.)

I don't think you need anything more complex than that (ie, not buying racism or park effects as driving force).
   26. bfan Posted: January 11, 2013 at 07:27 AM (#4344822)
Anyone who watched the AMC show "The Killing" would never want to move to Seattle; by that show, it pours rain there, every day, and you get about 3 hours of sunshine a week.
   27. Greg K Posted: January 11, 2013 at 07:35 AM (#4344824)
Anyone who watched the AMC show "The Killing" would never want to move to Seattle; by that show, it pours rain there, every day, and you get about 3 hours of sunshine a week.

Conversely, the Danish version makes me want to visit Copenhagen!

...or more likely my desire to visit Denmark has nothing to do with that show.

Does Denmark have a well regarded TV/film industry? Through no specific effort on my part I've seen a fair amount of Danish TV and movies recently.
   28. Rants Mulliniks Posted: January 11, 2013 at 08:05 AM (#4344828)
Wonder why Upton has an NTC for those four teams?


If I was a ball player the only team I'd invoke a NTC for would be Seattle. I wouldn't be able to stand the lack of sunshine there, I'd shoot myself.

coke to bfan
   29. Tippecanoe Posted: January 11, 2013 at 08:25 AM (#4344839)
Summers in Seattle are wonderful. For Upton, with the means to live wherever he wants once the oppressive dreariness sets in during the offseason, it should be no issue.
   30. shoewizard Posted: January 11, 2013 at 08:30 AM (#4344841)
Unlike Milwaukee, Cleveland, Detroit, Minnestoa ...


He only has 4 teams he can choose. OBVIOUSLY my comment is not exclusionary. These are not the only 4 cold cities. But thanks for pointing out the bleeping obvious. I was just pointing out one similarity that all 4 cities share. Cold April and Cold September/October.
   31. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 11, 2013 at 08:32 AM (#4344844)
Does Denmark have a well regarded TV/film industry? Through no specific effort on my part I've seen a fair amount of Danish TV and movies recently.


Terribly Happy was pretty good.
   32. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 11, 2013 at 08:35 AM (#4344850)
If I was a ball player the only team I'd invoke a NTC for would be Seattle. I wouldn't be able to stand the lack of sunshine there, I'd shoot myself.

It's not that bad, really. My tentative plan is to eventually relocate to the Olympic peninsula, though, so I may be biased. I think the Seattle area has everything you could want--mountains, ocean, a large, vibrant city, Vancouver is a short drive away, lots of sports teams and culture...I actually kind of hope its reputation as a depressing place to live sticks so not everyone will move there.
   33. jmurph Posted: January 11, 2013 at 09:05 AM (#4344867)
It's not that bad, really. My tentative plan is to eventually relocate to the Olympic peninsula, though, so I may be biased. I think the Seattle area has everything you could want--mountains, ocean, a large, vibrant city, Vancouver is a short drive away, lots of sports teams and culture...I actually kind of hope its reputation as a depressing place to live sticks so not everyone will move there.


The only obvious flaws are that the public transit sucks (which you get used to, but if you're coming from the east coast it's a bit of a culture shock), and the rain does get annoying when it does it for like 32 consecutive days. It just makes everything slightly worse because everything is wet. But on a sunny day it's pretty much impossible to beat.
   34. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 11, 2013 at 09:29 AM (#4344878)
The four clubs on my NTC: Tampa Bay, Miami, Arizona, Texas. I just can't stand any of those cities, no offense to anyone that lives there. Just not my cup of tea. I'd also add Houston, but they're not likely to pick up a player of my stature.

Why is Texas being so stingy with their prospects? Seems like they could match this deal and then some for Upton, and they have no place for Mike Olt or Jurickson Profar and are pretty loaded with pitching too. They have a window open now for who knows how long, seems like they should be a bit more aggressive.

Does Denmark have a well regarded TV/film industry?


Yes. The New Yorker Explores How And Why Danish TV Is So Awesome

   35. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: January 11, 2013 at 09:37 AM (#4344880)
Why is Texas being so stingy with their prospects? Seems like they could match this deal and then some for Upton, and they have no place for Mike Olt or Jurickson Profar and are pretty loaded with pitching too.


They still have a very good team for 2013 without making a move. I think letting the kids develop rather than rushing them out the door is a decent plan. I love Upton but I think there are ample reasons to be concerned that he's only very good and not great so I can see a team deciding not to unload highly rated prospects for him.
   36. The Good Face Posted: January 11, 2013 at 09:59 AM (#4344891)
Why is Texas being so stingy with their prospects? Seems like they could match this deal and then some for Upton, and they have no place for Mike Olt or Jurickson Profar and are pretty loaded with pitching too.


They've shopped Olt and some of their top pitching prospects, but didn't find a match that they liked. They've certainly held tightly to Profar, but there's good reason to believe he's going to be a star, so I could see not wanting to let him go for something less than a Giancarlo Stanton-type trade.

Also what #35 said. Their current team has a reasonable shot at the playoffs, so they're going to keep their powder dry and see how things shake out.
   37. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: January 11, 2013 at 10:09 AM (#4344899)
Does Denmark have a well regarded TV/film industry?

I really liked Day of Wrath (Vredens dag). Apparently Copenhagen was a major film capital rivaling Los Angeles in the 1910s but most of those movies have been lost.
   38. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 11, 2013 at 10:13 AM (#4344902)

They've shopped Olt and some of their top pitching prospects, but didn't find a match that they liked. They've certainly held tightly to Profar, but there's good reason to believe he's going to be a star, so I could see not wanting to let him go for something less than a Giancarlo Stanton-type trade.

Also what #35 said. Their current team has a reasonable shot at the playoffs, so they're going to keep their powder dry and see how things shake out.


Sure, but it's not like the prospects can't lose value. If Olt doesn't hit, his stock goes down. You're making Profar play a brand new position, where he's very vulnerable to leg injury. Ask Daniel Murphy how fun it is to learn 2B in the majors.
   39. JJ1986 Posted: January 11, 2013 at 10:16 AM (#4344905)
Andrus is the guy I would be shopping harder if I were the Rangers. I would definitely want to keep Profar, but once you're all in on that, you want him at SS.
   40. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: January 11, 2013 at 10:18 AM (#4344908)
Sure, but it's not like the prospects can't lose value.


Or they can turn into superstars. Unless the Rangers have a compelling need to make a deal, I don't see a reason to be moving guys like Profar or Olt or even a guy down the list a bit like Perez.
   41. The Good Face Posted: January 11, 2013 at 10:35 AM (#4344924)
If Olt doesn't hit, his stock goes down. You're making Profar play a brand new position, where he's very vulnerable to leg injury. Ask Daniel Murphy how fun it is to learn 2B in the majors.


Right now it's looking like Profar is going to start the season in the minors, and will not be playing 2B regularly. Olt pretty clearly doesn't have a ton of value at the moment, given that the Rangers have been shopping him left and right and haven't come up with any deals they like. Probably wiser to give him a chance and see if he can become a useful part or increase his value as a trade chip.

I agree with #39; Andrus seems like the guy to move. Granted he's only under contract through 2014 and isn't a superstar, but I find it hard to believe there's not a team with playoff aspirations who can't use a 3-4 WAR SS.
   42. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 11, 2013 at 10:38 AM (#4344927)
I look forward to the Upton brothers patrolling Turner Field together.
   43. valuearbitrageur Posted: January 11, 2013 at 10:40 AM (#4344931)
Nice to see KT hasn't finished acquiring shortstops this off season.
   44. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 11, 2013 at 10:59 AM (#4344944)
Does Denmark have a well regarded TV/film industry?


The Kingdom was a pretty awesome TV series, too. I'm sorry that it seems like the planned third season will never come together, now that so many of the cast members have died.
   45. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 11, 2013 at 11:00 AM (#4344946)
The Braves "similar" offer, via Bowman, is apparently Teheran OR Delgado, Eric O'Flaherty OR Jonny Venters, Nick Ahmed and Sean Gilmartin.
   46. bookbook Posted: January 11, 2013 at 11:43 AM (#4344984)
I can see why the Dbacks preferred the M's...
   47. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:00 PM (#4344993)
Why is Texas being so stingy with their prospects? Seems like they could match this deal and then some for Upton, and they have no place for Mike Olt or Jurickson Profar and are pretty loaded with pitching too.
This deal was reportedly Franklin and Walker, plus a reliever. That's two top-25 prospects, one of them a top-10 prospect. The Rangers would have needed to go Profar+ just to match it, and I'm not sold that Upton is a good enough return for the single best prospect in the world. This would have been a great trade for the Diamondbacks.
   48. The District Attorney Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:01 PM (#4344994)
I dunno enough about the minors to say, but the twitter seems to be that the Mariners would have been giving up a nice haul for Upton.

Robothal even says:
Upton rejected deal, and by doing so, one source said, "saved Jack Z's job."
Which certainly seems odd. If you're an owner and your GM comes to you wanting to do (what we'll stipulate is) a terrible trade, sure seems like either you fire him right away if you seriously think that even bringing you this offer demonstrates gross incompetence, or more likely, just tell him "no." What sense does it make to let him proceed with a trade that you think is a disaster, and then fire him?
   49. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:04 PM (#4344998)
Which certainly seems odd. If you're an owner and your GM comes to you wanting to do (what we'll stipulate is) a terrible trade, sure seems like either you fire him right away if you seriously think that even bringing you this offer demonstrates gross incompetence, or more likely, just tell him "no." What sense does it make to let him proceed with a trade that you think is a disaster, and then fire him?
I don't think the implication is that he saved Jack Z's job tomorrow, that the Mariners owner was going to immediately fire him. As you say, that makes no sense. Rather, the source is saying that in two years, when Walker and Franklin are MLB stars and Seattle still hasn't made the playoffs, Jack Z would have no chance at keeping his job. It's a pretty normal way of using that phrase.
   50. BDC Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:04 PM (#4344999)
Does Denmark have a well regarded TV/film industry?

The Dogme movement is awhile back now, and some of its products are very mannered, but they did some exceedingly cutting-edge things in the 90s; The Celebration (1998) is very much worth watching. In recent years, Danish films have tended back toward more conventional storytelling, and there have been some terrific films by Susanne Bier (After the Wedding and In a Better World), and others with the actor Mads Mikkelsen that I've really enjoyed, like Flame & Citron and Adam's Apples. You may have seen all or most of these; short answer, yes, among the best current film cultures in Europe.
   51. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:06 PM (#4345001)
The Rangers would have needed to go Profar+ just to match it, and I'm not sold that Upton is a good enough return for the single best prospect in the world


Well they don't need to match it because Upton rejected the deal, and he does not have to okay a trade to Texas. Mike Olt and Martin Perez are going to be ranked nearly as high as Walker and Franklin, and Elvis Andrus could be an attractive trade piece. Texas could pretty easily swing a deal without Profar IMO.
   52. valuearbitrageur Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:07 PM (#4345002)
After the DBacks move JUp, i wonder what kind of shortstop Towers will get for Parra?
   53. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:12 PM (#4345008)
Mike Olt and Martin Perez are going to be ranked nearly as high as Walker and Franklin, and Elvis Andrus could be an attractive trade piece.
Really? I mean, I haven't seen these guys play - well, I saw Perez start a game, was decidedly unimpressed - so I'm going mostly by the numbers and scouting reports I've read. I would have bet against either of them making a top 25 prospects list. The difference between a top 10 and a top 50 prospect, in terms of expectation, is huge. I'd trade three Martin Perezes for a Taijuan Walker.

If the Diamondbacks are looking for Walker/Franklin, I don't see them settling for Olt/Perez. And as much value as Elvis Andrus has in the abstract, Arizona has little need for another good-glove shortstop.
   54. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:26 PM (#4345019)

If the Diamondbacks are looking for Walker/Franklin, I don't see them settling for Olt/Perez. And as much value as Elvis Andrus has in the abstract, Arizona has little need for another good-glove shortstop.


Well Walker/Franklin is off the table (unless Upton is negotiating for more salary or something), and AZ seems pretty determined to move him. Who else is going to offer a similar deal? Atlanta's offer seems inferior than Olt/Perez.
   55. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:32 PM (#4345029)
Well Walker/Franklin is off the table (unless Upton is negotiating for more salary or something), and AZ seems pretty determined to move him. Who else is going to offer a similar deal?
I don't know. There's a big difference between Walker/Franklin and Olt/Perez, and if I had a Justin Upton and only an Orioles shot at the postseason next year, I'd accept the former offer but not the latter.

If Arizona is dumb enough to think they absolutely need to move Upton, I don't know how they should best maximize their return. Maybe taking Olt/Perez now would be the best choice in this scenario, but I really have no idea. They might be better served to wait out the Braves or Rangers or Tigers or Rays or Philly or I don't know. If someone is willing to lay out Walker/Franklin, I'd tend toward waiting for better than Olt/Perez.
   56. The District Attorney Posted: January 11, 2013 at 01:08 PM (#4345064)
the source is saying that in two years, when Walker and Franklin are MLB stars and Seattle still hasn't made the playoffs, Jack Z would have no chance at keeping his job. It's a pretty normal way of using that phrase.
I suppose that must be it -- I can't think of another explanation -- but it seems to be very misapplied to Jack Z, who can't be expected to last two more years unless the major league team improves.
   57. ColonelTom Posted: January 11, 2013 at 01:47 PM (#4345101)
And as much value as Elvis Andrus has in the abstract, Arizona has little need for another good-glove shortstop.


Andrus is a 4+ WAR player right now (per FanGraphs and B-R), and he's only 23. I think the D'Backs would find room.
   58. Nasty Nate Posted: January 11, 2013 at 01:51 PM (#4345104)
Why did the D-Backs go through the trouble of negotiating when (reportedly) Upton had told them of his unwillingness to go to Seattle beforehand?
   59. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 11, 2013 at 02:52 PM (#4345156)
In the Braves scenario, where does Justin Upton play? LF? Prado moves to 3B?
   60. DA Baracus Posted: January 11, 2013 at 03:07 PM (#4345172)
Yes. Prado is already moved, at least part time, to 3B. So he'd just stay there full time.
   61. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: January 11, 2013 at 03:08 PM (#4345173)
Personal no-trade, if I only have 4 teams:

Minnesota
Texas
Arizona
Houston


And anybody who thinks Seattle is "cold" has never been there.
   62. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: January 11, 2013 at 06:42 PM (#4345353)
Personal no-trade, if I only have 4 teams:

Minnesota
Texas
Arizona
Houston


That's a pretty good list, actually. I've been to all of them, and while I loved Minneapolis, I was there in September. The Skywalk, scratch that, the fact that they NEED a Skywalk around downtown to conduct business during the winter - scared me so much I won't apply for a tenured faculty gig in Minnesota. I can't fathom that level of cold.
   63. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 11, 2013 at 08:33 PM (#4345391)
Yes. Prado is already moved, at least part time, to 3B. So he'd just stay there full time.


Prado will either be the full time 3B (if they get Upton or another LF) or the 3B against LHP (when they start Reed in LF and Prado at 3B, rather than Prado in LF and Francisco at 3B.)
   64. base ball chick Posted: January 11, 2013 at 11:24 PM (#4345430)
can someone explain why the dbax are so desperate to get rid of justin upton?

also why it appears to be impossible to hit in seattle these days?

there is no reason to waste a spot putting houston on the no trade list. houston isn't gonna trade for anyone who costs more than minimum wage - their idea of a high proced FA is carlos pena at 2.9 mill
   65. valuearbitrageur Posted: January 12, 2013 at 01:59 AM (#4345476)
And as much value as Elvis Andrus has in the abstract, Arizona has little need for another good-glove shortstop.


When did the DBacks get any good glove shortstop? They traded for a prospect from Cincinnati whose defense is unproven, though offset by the well established fact that he can't hit even minor league pitching. And I would have been fine rolling Pennington out, but he's no Andrus, who is signifcantly better defensively and more valuable overall.
   66. vivaelpujols Posted: January 12, 2013 at 07:07 AM (#4345525)
And as much value as Elvis Andrus has in the abstract, Arizona has little need for another good-glove shortstop.


Well when you frame it like that...

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