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Thursday, January 10, 2013
Phoenix or Seattle? I’d go with Seattle. The Diamondbacks were in agreement on a trade that would have sent Upton to the Seattle Mariners, but the two-time All-Star rejected the proposed deal, major-league sources say.
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1. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: January 10, 2013 at 10:07 PM (#4344658)http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/10/report-justin-upton-rejected-trade-to-mariners/
FWIW Larry Stone says the deal was most likely Furbush OR Pryor plus Franklin and one of Walker/Paxton/Hultzen.
Four teams on Upton's no-trade: Seattle, Boston, Cubs and Toronto.
-- MWE
Seattle is kind of random. The Mariners had the 3rd pick in the draft the year he went #1 and I wonder if maybe someone from the organization was rude to him pre-draft or something like that. That's of course just a completely wild guess on my part because I agree, they seem random.
Mariners? Maybe he thinks they irredeemably suck? They've been bad for a while now.
Edit: 6 makes sense.
I wasn't aware of this. That is a very powerful tool for agents.
Let me guess ....
What?? Sox have Carl Crawford, Darnell McDonald and Joey Gathright...right?
It's a thread about the Mariners, of course #6 makes sense.
If that was the case he would add San Diego, Miami, and others too. I agree the common thread is "places I wouldn't feel comfortable playing as a black man." Or paying taxes.
Washington state has no personal income tax. All California teams should be on the list if he wanted to avoid taxes.
Why would a black man not want to play in Chicago. It worked out pretty well for Michael Jordan and Barack Obama.
Unlike Milwaukee, Cleveland, Detroit, Minnestoa ...
The Marlins and Padres are much less likely to swing a trade for him. It's probably some combination of most likely to trade for him and places he doesn't want to play; given the limited number of NTC spots, any possible explanation or combinations of explanations is going to leave outsiders asking "if team x, then why not team Y?"
And who knows, it could be something as minor as Young not liking the travel (the Mariners routinely have the most travel time, because of their geographical isolation).
I don't think you need anything more complex than that (ie, not buying racism or park effects as driving force).
Conversely, the Danish version makes me want to visit Copenhagen!
...or more likely my desire to visit Denmark has nothing to do with that show.
Does Denmark have a well regarded TV/film industry? Through no specific effort on my part I've seen a fair amount of Danish TV and movies recently.
If I was a ball player the only team I'd invoke a NTC for would be Seattle. I wouldn't be able to stand the lack of sunshine there, I'd shoot myself.
coke to bfan
He only has 4 teams he can choose. OBVIOUSLY my comment is not exclusionary. These are not the only 4 cold cities. But thanks for pointing out the bleeping obvious. I was just pointing out one similarity that all 4 cities share. Cold April and Cold September/October.
Terribly Happy was pretty good.
It's not that bad, really. My tentative plan is to eventually relocate to the Olympic peninsula, though, so I may be biased. I think the Seattle area has everything you could want--mountains, ocean, a large, vibrant city, Vancouver is a short drive away, lots of sports teams and culture...I actually kind of hope its reputation as a depressing place to live sticks so not everyone will move there.
The only obvious flaws are that the public transit sucks (which you get used to, but if you're coming from the east coast it's a bit of a culture shock), and the rain does get annoying when it does it for like 32 consecutive days. It just makes everything slightly worse because everything is wet. But on a sunny day it's pretty much impossible to beat.
Why is Texas being so stingy with their prospects? Seems like they could match this deal and then some for Upton, and they have no place for Mike Olt or Jurickson Profar and are pretty loaded with pitching too. They have a window open now for who knows how long, seems like they should be a bit more aggressive.
Yes. The New Yorker Explores How And Why Danish TV Is So Awesome
They still have a very good team for 2013 without making a move. I think letting the kids develop rather than rushing them out the door is a decent plan. I love Upton but I think there are ample reasons to be concerned that he's only very good and not great so I can see a team deciding not to unload highly rated prospects for him.
They've shopped Olt and some of their top pitching prospects, but didn't find a match that they liked. They've certainly held tightly to Profar, but there's good reason to believe he's going to be a star, so I could see not wanting to let him go for something less than a Giancarlo Stanton-type trade.
Also what #35 said. Their current team has a reasonable shot at the playoffs, so they're going to keep their powder dry and see how things shake out.
I really liked Day of Wrath (Vredens dag). Apparently Copenhagen was a major film capital rivaling Los Angeles in the 1910s but most of those movies have been lost.
They've shopped Olt and some of their top pitching prospects, but didn't find a match that they liked. They've certainly held tightly to Profar, but there's good reason to believe he's going to be a star, so I could see not wanting to let him go for something less than a Giancarlo Stanton-type trade.
Also what #35 said. Their current team has a reasonable shot at the playoffs, so they're going to keep their powder dry and see how things shake out.
Sure, but it's not like the prospects can't lose value. If Olt doesn't hit, his stock goes down. You're making Profar play a brand new position, where he's very vulnerable to leg injury. Ask Daniel Murphy how fun it is to learn 2B in the majors.
Or they can turn into superstars. Unless the Rangers have a compelling need to make a deal, I don't see a reason to be moving guys like Profar or Olt or even a guy down the list a bit like Perez.
Right now it's looking like Profar is going to start the season in the minors, and will not be playing 2B regularly. Olt pretty clearly doesn't have a ton of value at the moment, given that the Rangers have been shopping him left and right and haven't come up with any deals they like. Probably wiser to give him a chance and see if he can become a useful part or increase his value as a trade chip.
I agree with #39; Andrus seems like the guy to move. Granted he's only under contract through 2014 and isn't a superstar, but I find it hard to believe there's not a team with playoff aspirations who can't use a 3-4 WAR SS.
The Kingdom was a pretty awesome TV series, too. I'm sorry that it seems like the planned third season will never come together, now that so many of the cast members have died.
Robothal even says:Which certainly seems odd. If you're an owner and your GM comes to you wanting to do (what we'll stipulate is) a terrible trade, sure seems like either you fire him right away if you seriously think that even bringing you this offer demonstrates gross incompetence, or more likely, just tell him "no." What sense does it make to let him proceed with a trade that you think is a disaster, and then fire him?
The Dogme movement is awhile back now, and some of its products are very mannered, but they did some exceedingly cutting-edge things in the 90s; The Celebration (1998) is very much worth watching. In recent years, Danish films have tended back toward more conventional storytelling, and there have been some terrific films by Susanne Bier (After the Wedding and In a Better World), and others with the actor Mads Mikkelsen that I've really enjoyed, like Flame & Citron and Adam's Apples. You may have seen all or most of these; short answer, yes, among the best current film cultures in Europe.
Well they don't need to match it because Upton rejected the deal, and he does not have to okay a trade to Texas. Mike Olt and Martin Perez are going to be ranked nearly as high as Walker and Franklin, and Elvis Andrus could be an attractive trade piece. Texas could pretty easily swing a deal without Profar IMO.
If the Diamondbacks are looking for Walker/Franklin, I don't see them settling for Olt/Perez. And as much value as Elvis Andrus has in the abstract, Arizona has little need for another good-glove shortstop.
Well Walker/Franklin is off the table (unless Upton is negotiating for more salary or something), and AZ seems pretty determined to move him. Who else is going to offer a similar deal? Atlanta's offer seems inferior than Olt/Perez.
If Arizona is dumb enough to think they absolutely need to move Upton, I don't know how they should best maximize their return. Maybe taking Olt/Perez now would be the best choice in this scenario, but I really have no idea. They might be better served to wait out the Braves or Rangers or Tigers or Rays or Philly or I don't know. If someone is willing to lay out Walker/Franklin, I'd tend toward waiting for better than Olt/Perez.
Andrus is a 4+ WAR player right now (per FanGraphs and B-R), and he's only 23. I think the D'Backs would find room.
Minnesota
Texas
Arizona
Houston
And anybody who thinks Seattle is "cold" has never been there.
That's a pretty good list, actually. I've been to all of them, and while I loved Minneapolis, I was there in September. The Skywalk, scratch that, the fact that they NEED a Skywalk around downtown to conduct business during the winter - scared me so much I won't apply for a tenured faculty gig in Minnesota. I can't fathom that level of cold.
Prado will either be the full time 3B (if they get Upton or another LF) or the 3B against LHP (when they start Reed in LF and Prado at 3B, rather than Prado in LF and Francisco at 3B.)
also why it appears to be impossible to hit in seattle these days?
there is no reason to waste a spot putting houston on the no trade list. houston isn't gonna trade for anyone who costs more than minimum wage - their idea of a high proced FA is carlos pena at 2.9 mill
When did the DBacks get any good glove shortstop? They traded for a prospect from Cincinnati whose defense is unproven, though offset by the well established fact that he can't hit even minor league pitching. And I would have been fine rolling Pennington out, but he's no Andrus, who is signifcantly better defensively and more valuable overall.
Well when you frame it like that...
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