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Sources: Tigers open to dealing big-name vets

The Tigers are positioned to be one of the most intriguing sellers in baseball ahead of the July 31 Trade Deadline, and sources said this week the team is open to moving virtually any veteran on its roster.

In other words, now that the Draft is over, the Tigers will listen to offers for starter Matthew Boyd, closer Shane Greene and right fielder Nicholas Castellanos, among others.

Jim Furtado Posted: June 13, 2019 at 06:17 AM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Zonk Has Great and Unmatched Wisdom Posted: June 13, 2019 at 08:18 AM (#5851315)
"Sources"?

Like the standings, team record, and how commensurate they are with preseason expectations?
   2. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: June 13, 2019 at 08:26 AM (#5851318)
Is Matthew Boyd for real? Huge improvement from him this year, not free agent eligible until 2023. Seems like a good get for about 29 other teams in baseball.
   3. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 08:54 AM (#5851321)
Shane Greene is a big name?

Is Matthew Boyd for real?


I'm not an expert, but Boyd is an interesting case -- he's all but stopped throwing his curveball and changeup over the last two years, which is roughly coincident with when his control jumped into elite territory. (Look at his splits from last year: through June he's the same guy he's always been; after that he basically stops walking people, without a drop in K rate.) Nearly all those curves and changeups became sliders at some point last year. That speaks to me of a guy who changed his slider into an out pitch somehow, and quit relying on fringy junk he was using to gut out innings.
   4. Zonk Has Great and Unmatched Wisdom Posted: June 13, 2019 at 09:04 AM (#5851325)
Shane Greene is a big name?


His full name is Shanestasius Constantine Greene IV*.

*Not his real name.
   5. PreservedFish Posted: June 13, 2019 at 09:09 AM (#5851326)
Shane Greene's xFIPs of the last 4 years: 3.95, 4.24, 4.05, 3.74
Shane Greene's ERAs of the last 4 years: 5.82, 2.66, 5.12, 1.00

Would it be fair to say that Shane Greene is a predictable and consistent pitcher? Is it totally random that he gets hit hard only in even years?
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 10:57 AM (#5851383)
Do the Tigers actually have any "big name vets"? I mean Miguel Cabrera, sure, but he's not worth anything in trade.
   7. DanG Posted: June 13, 2019 at 12:11 PM (#5851417)
Useta have some names. Tiger lineup on opening day 2017 (J.D. Martinez was on the DL):

2B Ian Kinsler
3B Nick Castellanos
1B Miguel Cabrera
DH Victor Martinez
LF Justin Upton
RF Mikie Mahtook
C James McCann
CF Jacoby Jones
SS Jose Iglesias
SP Justin Verlander
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 02:21 PM (#5851488)
The Tigers have big name vets? Like, in that "Castellanos" has a lot of letters in it?
   9. Davo Posted: June 13, 2019 at 02:29 PM (#5851491)
Re 8: Matthew Boyd was bitten by a radioactive spider in the off-season and is now one of the best pitchers in baseball, averaging 11 Ks/ 1.5 BBs per 9. He’s third in the AL in WAR, 4th in FIP, 5th in strikeouts.
   10. bfan Posted: June 13, 2019 at 05:23 PM (#5851562)
Matthew Boyd was bitten by a radioactive spider in the off-season and is now one of the best pitchers in baseball, averaging 11 Ks/ 1.5 BBs per 9. He’s third in the AL in WAR, 4th in FIP, 5th in strikeouts.


Bully for them for having the wisdom to understand selling high, and the courage to do so (if they do it).
   11. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 05:29 PM (#5851567)
Casey Mize looks unhittable so far, Matt Manning and Alex Faedo both have outstanding K-BB ratios in AA, and Franklin Perez is a darn good prospect. The Tigers seem relatively loaded with pitching prospects, and with Turnbull and Norris already in the rotation (and Fulmer presumably returning next year), they should definitely sell high on Boyd while they can.
   12. Walt Davis Posted: June 13, 2019 at 06:04 PM (#5851582)
Boyd is already super-2 and given the season he's having, is about to start making real money next year. Still an attractive trade target that the Tigers should get a good haul for if they move him, but the money gives them an extra motivation to move him.

Franklin Perez is a darn good prospect

He can't be at this point can he? Too many injuries ... and he hasn't pitched in a month so I assume he's hurt again.
   13. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 13, 2019 at 06:23 PM (#5851587)
The Tigers have big name vets?
I would assume that most vets who work with tigers are at least somewhat prominent in their field. It can't be too large a community of zoo vets.
   14. PreservedFish Posted: June 13, 2019 at 07:02 PM (#5851595)
Tigers definitely have big game vets.
   15. KB JBAR (trhn) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 07:34 PM (#5851603)
Boyd could be for real. I heard on a podcast that his slider is a Driveline, techno-analytical pitch design success story. Though Fangraphs' pitch values suggest this year's improvement mostly results from cutting the weak pitches from his arsenal and his fastball playing up. The per 100 value of his slider is lower than last year. The immediate comp to me is Patrick Corbin, whose improvement hasn't carried over so well into this season.
   16. My name is RMc and I feel extremely affected Posted: June 13, 2019 at 08:17 PM (#5851613)
Matthew Boyd was bitten by a radioactive spider in the off-season and immediately died horribly, cuz ya can't have no radioactivity in your blood, fool.

Fixed.
   17. Spahn Insane Posted: June 13, 2019 at 08:44 PM (#5851623)
I don't think I realized just how bad the Tigers' non-pitchers are. They have literally no position players I'd want, and the 78 team OPS+ bears that out.
   18. caspian88 Posted: June 13, 2019 at 09:02 PM (#5851631)
Fun fact - the average human body endures 5000 occurrences of radioactive decay every second as a result of naturally-occurring and naturally present Potassium-40 in the body.

Perhaps Matthew Boyd went on a high-banana diet over the offseason.
   19. PreservedFish Posted: June 13, 2019 at 09:04 PM (#5851632)
JaCoby Jones in interesting - he had boffo fielding numbers last year, and has a 107 OPS+ this year. If he combined those two things at the same time, he'd be a great player.
   20. Cooper Nielson Posted: June 14, 2019 at 01:25 AM (#5851841)
JaCoby Jones in interesting - he had boffo fielding numbers last year, and has a 107 OPS+ this year. If he combined those two things at the same time, he'd be a great player.

Yeah, JaCoby's got his OPS up around .800 now after a really slow start (.435 OPS on May 11 after his first 25 games). In his last 30 games (105 or so PA) he's hitting .344/.426/.624. Supposedly this reflects a mid-season change in his swing, and it's been going on long enough to make me think it's not just a random hot streak.

Yet his defensive numbers are way down for some reason, after being excellent in 2017 and 2018. Hopefully that's just a small sample size fluke.

He's already 27 years old -- younger than Trout, older than Harper.
   21. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: June 14, 2019 at 02:38 AM (#5851846)
That stretch includes a ~.470 BABIP and a continued 30% K rate. The gains to power and patience could potentially be real. The average is not.

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