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Monday, August 18, 2014

Speier: Red Sox send down Jackie Bradley Jr., call up Mookie Betts

Jackie 0-for-35…

The Red Sox announced that they have optioned Jackie Bradley Jr. to Triple-A Pawtucket and called up Mookie Betts from the PawSox. Bradley has struggled to get his head above water offensively this year, hitting .216 with a .288 OBP and .290 slugging mark in 112 games… In 45 games in Pawtucket, [Betts is] hitting .335/.417/.503…

In sending Bradley down now, it’s possible that the Sox could allow him to catch his breath in Triple-A before returning to the roster in September. If that happens, then by virtue of a minor league assignment of fewer than 20 days, the team would not have used one of his two remaining options through this late-season demotion.

The District Attorney Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:17 PM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: jackie bradley, jr., mookie betts, red sox, transactions

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   1. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:50 PM (#4773880)
I'm not up to speed on how the options thing works. Did they just burn an option sending him down?
   2. Nasty Nate Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:55 PM (#4773884)
I'm not up to speed on how the options thing works. Did they just burn an option sending him down?


Not according to the excerpt (assuming they call him back within 20 days).
   3. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 18, 2014 at 04:00 PM (#4773892)
Thanks. Should have RTFE.
   4. Misirlou has S.C.M.O.D.S Posted: August 18, 2014 at 04:03 PM (#4773893)
Every time I hear his name, I think of this guy

   5. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: August 18, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4773909)
Not according to the excerpt (assuming they call him back within 20 days).


Since 20 days from now is September 7th, I think we can assume that will happen.
   6. depletion Posted: August 18, 2014 at 04:58 PM (#4773966)
Of all the rosters in all the leagues in all the world, why does he have to come into mine? Why, Sam!
   7. Rough Carrigan Posted: August 18, 2014 at 04:58 PM (#4773967)
#4. A buddy and I have the same reaction. I prefer the Jackie Rogers Jr. skits emphasizing his status as celebrity hanger on.
   8. JJ1986 Posted: August 18, 2014 at 05:00 PM (#4773969)
I was going to go the Pawtucket game tomorrow because I figured it would be the last week to see Betts in the minors. Bad timing.
   9. Dale Sams Posted: August 18, 2014 at 05:26 PM (#4773999)
I remarked just yesterday that some of the players most in need of work appear to be mailing it in, and hopefully they can 'reset in September'.
   10. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 18, 2014 at 06:31 PM (#4774064)
I hate this move. Bradley is actually contributing positively because of his defense and his problem at the plate is only going to be fixed by figuring out how to hit better competition. We know he can hit minor leaguers, let him get another 125 PA against MLB pitchng.

Also people are way too excited about Betts in my opinion. I hope I'm wrong but I think he's not ready yet and really not that good.
   11. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 18, 2014 at 06:31 PM (#4774065)
So are they actually going to play Betts this time, or just let him sit on the bench and twiddle his thumbs again?
   12. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 18, 2014 at 06:41 PM (#4774069)
He's batting eighth tonight. I assume he will play fairly regularly.
   13. Sonic Youk Posted: August 18, 2014 at 07:02 PM (#4774075)
Before the season started, I was optimistic about Bradley because how bad could the floor for an elite defensive CF with great walk rates be?


I guess the answer is pretty much this bad. Which is interesting because both WARs still have him as a halfway decent player.
   14. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: August 18, 2014 at 07:12 PM (#4774080)
When was the last time a defending World Champion used so many rookies the following season? (Let's say in the "Marlins" and "non-Marlins" categories...

Vazquez, Butler, Bogaerts, Bradley, Holt, Betts, Hassan, Cecchini, Ranaudo, Workman, De La Rosa, Layne, Wright, Hembree, Wilson, and Webster.

The starting lineup on many nights is five rookies: Vazquez, Bogaerts, Holt, Bradley/Betts, the starting pitcher, and at least one reliever.

I'd rather be watching a winning team, but if my favorite team is going to bounce along the bottom of the division, I'd rather watch them doing it with lots of rookies. The Gomes/ Drew/ Carp/ Peavy/ Pierzynski thing was not fun to watch, at all...
   15. Walt Davis Posted: August 18, 2014 at 07:18 PM (#4774084)
The K's came roaring back with a vengeance, including a stretch this month of 15 Ks in 31 PA (and just one walk).
   16. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 18, 2014 at 07:21 PM (#4774087)
The Gomes/ Drew/ Carp/ Peavy/ xxxxx thing was not fun to watch, at all...


Well sure, this year. Last year it was heaps fun to watch.

Eh, it's the whole bottle/lightening thing. They got lucky last year. This year we got to see the team they were supposed to have last year.

Still world champs!
   17. Textbook Editor Posted: August 18, 2014 at 08:00 PM (#4774115)
I hate this move. Bradley is actually contributing positively because of his defense and his problem at the plate is only going to be fixed by figuring out how to hit better competition. We know he can hit minor leaguers, let him get another 125 PA against MLB pitchng.


Agree on this point--I'd much rather him stay up--but am somewhat assuming they want him working with the AAA staff on his swing/approach/etc., even if only for a couple weeks. Something is off and time out of the spotlight will probably help. I believe the Red Sox when they say that they fully back him, etc. as an everyday player and not a 4th OF, etc. If he gets those slash rates up from 216/288/290 to even just 250/320/360 he'd be extremely valuable given his defense. I still fully expect him to be the starting CF Opening Day 2015. With Craig coming back you can't stick Bradley in RF everyday and play Betts in CF, because you also need Craig to prove they're healthy, etc. so he can be trade fodder as well.

Also people are way too excited about Betts in my opinion. I hope I'm wrong but I think he's not ready yet and really not that good.


Well, yes, but... This move--I'm convinced--is as much about getting Bradley straightened out as it is about making Betts look competent against ML pitching and that he can be an everyday CF because... Dollars to donuts he's traded this winter, whether for Hamels or Stanton or someone else. If he goes all Kevin Maas these last 6 weeks, all the better for his trade value (especially when dealing with a guy like Amaro, who likes shiny objects and big BA/HR/RBI totals).
   18. Dale Sams Posted: August 18, 2014 at 08:19 PM (#4774123)
FWIW...it looks to me like he's picking up his lead foot too soon. He's literally standing on one leg before the pitcher is halfway through the wind-up. That's too soon to pick up the foot.
   19. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 19, 2014 at 12:16 AM (#4774244)
FWIW...it looks to me like he's picking up his lead foot too soon. He's literally standing on one leg before the pitcher is halfway through the wind-up. That's too soon to pick up the foot.


Sadaharu Oh disagrees and says you don't know your talking about!
   20. villageidiom Posted: August 19, 2014 at 08:00 AM (#4774307)
I hate this move. Bradley is actually contributing positively because of his defense
He is. But this isn't about that.
and his problem at the plate is only going to be fixed by figuring out how to hit better competition. We know he can hit minor leaguers, let him get another 125 PA against MLB pitchng.
We don't know he can hit AAA pitching. The sample size of PAs he's had in AAA is smaller than the sample size against MLB pitching. But the latter isn't enough of a sample, while the former proves everything? Absurd.

The notion that he "is only going to be fixed by figuring out how to hit better competition" is the lie you tell yourself to keep him in the majors. It's what you want to believe. Let it go.
Also people are way too excited about Betts in my opinion. I hope I'm wrong but I think he's not ready yet and really not that good.
Oh, he's definitely not ready yet, and he's really not that good. Betts isn't on the roster to get the Red Sox out of last place. He's in MLB to make sure Bradley gets playing time in AAA.
   21. Brian Posted: August 19, 2014 at 10:06 AM (#4774345)
Why is it presumed that Betts isn't very good? Outside of his first year in Low A ball and the non-chance in MLB earlier this year, where has he not hit?
   22. Nasty Nate Posted: August 19, 2014 at 10:12 AM (#4774352)
Why is it presumed that Betts isn't very good?


I was wondering the same thing. Maybe they mean he's not that good yet.
   23. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 19, 2014 at 10:20 AM (#4774362)
Why is it presumed that Betts isn't very good? Outside of his first year in Low A ball and the non-chance in MLB earlier this year, where has he not hit?


I don't know if it is "presumed" or just a small number of people (I'm one) that think he is not as good as advertised. I think the majority of folks are pretty high on him I just have two issues;

1. I don't know where his defense plays. A large part of that is that he is a member of the Red Sox organization where they have a player locked in for the next five years at the one position I'm confident in Betts at; second base. I don't think he has the arm to play the left side of the infield or right field and he has looked very shaky in center to me.

2. We're two years into him hitting like a bad ############ so I probably shouldn't be a skeptic but there was something about him bursting on the scene last year that leaves me feeling like it's artificial. I'll concede to a large amount of recognition that I may well be very very very wrong on this one. And obviously if he hits like he is projecting too then his glove can suck and he can play regularly.
   24. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 19, 2014 at 10:25 AM (#4774370)
I hate this move. Bradley is actually contributing positively because of his defense


Is Bradley really a +25 CF? Odds have to be heavy that's he's over performing his true talent.
   25. PreservedFish Posted: August 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM (#4774410)
Is Bradley really a +25 CF? Odds have to be heavy that's he's over performing his true talent.


I don't know if anyone is truly +25, but Bradley the prospect was known to be a future GG type.
   26. villageidiom Posted: August 19, 2014 at 11:02 AM (#4774423)
I was wondering the same thing. Maybe they mean he's not that good yet.
That is what I mean.

Betts hasn't played a full year above A ball. He has done better in that <1 year than one would otherwise have expected, because reasons. There's a lot we don't know about him.

Look, coming into this season we "knew" Bradley would hit better than he has; we "knew" Bogaerts would hit better than he has. We know less about Betts than we knew about either of those two.

Is Bradley really a +25 CF? Odds have to be heavy that's he's over performing his true talent.
That's true of any positive outlier. But even if that were his true level, he will regress as eventually players will stop trying to test his arm. He has had plenty opportunity for outfield assists this year, simply because opponents didn't know how good his arm is. Those opportunities won't last forever.

He has great range, gets pretty good reads and routes, and has a great arm. I don't know if that adds up to +25 every year, but it adds up to +awesome.
   27. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 19, 2014 at 12:02 PM (#4774515)
I don't know if anyone is truly +25, but Bradley the prospect was known to be a future GG type.

He has great range, gets pretty good reads and routes, and has a great arm. I don't know if that adds up to +25 every year, but it adds up to +awesome.

Sure, but at +10 (which is a very, very good CF) he's ~ replacement level.

Realistically, he needs to put up an 80-85 OPS+ to be valuable, even with great D. That's why sending him down makes sense.
   28. Brian Posted: August 19, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4774523)
OK, thanks. That clarifies things a bit.


coming into this season we "knew" Bradley would hit better than he has; we "knew" Bogaerts would hit better than he has


Actually very few opinions I saw thought Bradley was going to hit much. He's never been particularly successful above A ball and his main skill of patience is useless when pitchers realize he can't hurt them. Bogaerts got people excited with his play late last last year and in the post-season but he looks historically bad against any breaking pitches, to the extent where his career has to be in question. Betts has put up big numbers in AA-AAA as a 21 year old this year, following on his breakout last year. I just wish the Yankee farm system had anyone close to Betts.
   29. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM (#4774535)
I just wish the Yankee farm system had anyone close to Betts.

This guy looks pretty interesting.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa621680&position=2B
   30. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: August 19, 2014 at 12:16 PM (#4774537)
Betts has displayed superior command of the strike zone, contact skills, and speed to maintain a higher than average BABIP. To me, this suggests his downside risk is limited.
   31. villageidiom Posted: August 19, 2014 at 01:01 PM (#4774580)
Actually very few opinions I saw thought Bradley was going to hit much.
Then we agree, because he is hitting worse than not much this year.
   32. Brian Posted: August 19, 2014 at 01:11 PM (#4774588)
Excellent point.

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