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Sporting News selects the most beloved player ever for each MLB team

Ripken, Pesky, Yogi, Longoria, Alomar
Thomas, Feller, Kaline, Brett, Puckett
Biggio, Salmon, Rickey, Edgar, I-Rod

Murphy, Conine, Seaver, Ashburn, Zimmerman
Santo, Rose, Yount, Clemente, Musial
Gonzalez, Helton, Fernando, Gwynn, Mays

Tim Salmon finally makes an All-Star team.

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   1. smileyy Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:09 PM (#4551325)
They're all pretty spot-on. Dale Murphy was the biggest surprise for me. I would have taken Smoltz or Maddux over Murphy, but there's a lot of duration over peak, which makes sense for a list like this. Maybe some credit for Murphy's time on the abysmal Braves makes him a little more heart-warming.

I have to imagine the Yankees ballot was pretty crowded.
   2. JE (Jason) Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:12 PM (#4551331)
Gotta ask the inevitable follow-up question: Who is the most despised player for each MLB team?
   3. eddieot Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:16 PM (#4551334)
Good list. Is Alomar really more beloved than Joe Carter in Toronto? Or even Carlos Delgado? Jays fans?
   4. SG Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:16 PM (#4551335)
Gotta ask the inevitable follow-up question: Who is the most despised player for each MLB team?


A-Rod.
   5. Steve Treder Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:16 PM (#4551336)
Who is the most despised player for each MLB team?

Giants: Johnnie LeMaster
   6. JJ1986 Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:18 PM (#4551340)
Who is the most despised player for each MLB team?


Finally - an award for Doug Sisk.
   7. Brian C Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:19 PM (#4551341)
Or the even more interesting question, which player for each team inspires the greatest ambivalence? Someone like Carlos Zambrano for the Cubs - good player for a long time, sometimes better than good, often fun to watch, but man oh man did everyone get tired of him.
   8. BDC Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:22 PM (#4551343)
The list is sort of a mix of "I'd follow him into battle" and "He's so cuddly I wanna hug him." Maybe Evan Longoria is sort of both.
   9. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:23 PM (#4551344)
That's way offbase for the Orioles. Brooks is far more beloved than Cal.
   10. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:30 PM (#4551348)
Who is the most despised player for each MLB team?
For the Dodgers, good question. We get frustrated with underperforming players (Odalis Perez, Dreifort), but I can't recall someone we hated.
   11. SoSH U at work Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:33 PM (#4551351)
Who is the most despised player for each MLB team?


Boston - Everett
Cleveland - Mesa
New York (NL) - Rogers
New York (AL) - Brown
Milwaukee - Sheffield
San Francisco - Pierzynski

   12. Greg K Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:35 PM (#4551352)
Toronto - Loaiza
   13. villageidiom Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:35 PM (#4551353)
Gotta ask the inevitable follow-up question: Who is the most despised player for each MLB team?
Any rules about tenure? The most beloved players tend to need longevity, as that's part of the charm. I mean, Carl Everett is fairly despised in Boston, but in the grand scheme of things he wasn't there very long.
   14. Brian C Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:35 PM (#4551356)
For the Dodgers, good question. We get frustrated with underperforming players (Odalis Perez, Dreifort), but I can't recall someone we hated.

But everyone else hates Steve Garvey, if that helps.
   15. smileyy Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:39 PM (#4551359)
Cincinnati - Adam Dunn
   16. smileyy Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:41 PM (#4551363)
Ambivalence would, almost by definition (at least from management perspective), be the non-star who has 2 or 3 or more tenures with the team.
   17. Russ Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:44 PM (#4551365)
Pirates - several good candidates: Barry Bonds, Dave Parker, Pat Meares, Joggin' George Hendricks... but probably the guy who symbolized the franchise at its lowest point was good ole Operation Shutdown, Derek Bell.
   18. BDC Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:46 PM (#4551368)
Rangers' most-despised … it seems impossible for a franchise that has employed Jim Leyritz, Chad Curtis, Milton Bradley, and AJ Pierzynski, but yeah, it's AROD.
   19. smileyy Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:46 PM (#4551369)
So, by that definition, Russell Branyan, for about a half-dozen teams.
   20. eddieot Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:48 PM (#4551371)
Who is the most despised player for each MLB team?

Phils: JD Drew

(yeah, I know that's cheating, but it's true.) Other candidates: Gregg Jefferies? Von Hayes? It was Mitch Williams for a few years but he has done a nice job rehabbing his reputation, somehow.
   21. flournoy Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:51 PM (#4551373)
The only Braves I can think of who are hated by the whole fanbase are Dan Kolb and Melky Cabrera. There are other guys who are hated in some circles (Yunel Escobar, Jeff Francoeur, John Rocker), but they don't meet the grade.
   22. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:53 PM (#4551374)
A lot of recency bias here -- Musial seems to be the earliest player listed.
   23. The Good Face Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:54 PM (#4551375)
Rangers' most-despised … it seems impossible for a franchise that has employed Jim Leyritz, Chad Curtis, Milton Bradley, and AJ Pierzynski, but yeah, it's AROD.


Not while Mitch Moreland yet draws breath...
   24. Steve Treder Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:55 PM (#4551376)
Actually, I think they got it wrong with Mays for the Giants. Mays is properly revered as the god among mere mortals that he is. But for pure Belovedness Above Replacement, it's gotta be McCovey.
   25. BDC Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:57 PM (#4551377)
A lot of recency bias here

Partly because they're going by current city, and some of these clubs haven't been there forever. I like that Fernando is the Dodger, for instance.
   26. Rob_Wood Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:59 PM (#4551379)

McCovey for sure
   27. Publius Publicola Posted: September 26, 2013 at 03:59 PM (#4551380)
Santo over Banks, Cubs fans?
   28. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:00 PM (#4551384)
That's way offbase for the Orioles. Brooks is far more beloved than Cal.

Yeah, at best it'd be a tie. I can't imagine anyone other than maybe Musial or Banks being more beloved than Brooks.

Most despised Oriole would obviously be Angelos, but if you limit it to players it'd probably be---at the time they left the team, anyway---Palmeiro, Wiggins or Dennis Martinez. Dennis would probably be forgiven by now, but when he left Baltimore he was seen a lush and as a super underachiever.

Other Un-Beloveds: A-Rod (everywhere), Bonds (everywhere but San Francisco), Pierogi, Rocker (everywhere outside Stone Mountain), Sheffield, Kevin Brown or Kenny Rogers (Yanks), Belle, Garvey, Papelbon, R. Soriano, T. Cobb, Dallas Braden, Early Wynn, and any Phillies star who went hitless for three straight games.
   29. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:03 PM (#4551387)
Not only is Sheffield's Milwaukee's #1 despised, I would offer that it would likely be unanimous, even acknowledging the existence of the anti-PEDs crowd (Braun).
   30. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:03 PM (#4551389)
There are other guys who are hated in some circles (Yunel Escobar, Jeff Francoeur, John Rocker), but they don't meet the grade.

Please don't tell me that Atlanta fans like Rocker. But then nothing about those tomahawk chopping zombies would surprise me.
   31. Publius Publicola Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:04 PM (#4551391)
Jim Coates.
   32. TerpNats Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:07 PM (#4551395)
Most despised Nat: Toss-up between Elijah Dukes and Lastings Milledge, though given his off-the-field actions, Dukes would be my choice.

And was Dunn really all that despised by Reds fans, or are we transferring Marty Brenneman's feelings about him to the fan base?
   33. smileyy Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:07 PM (#4551396)
It was Mitch Williams for a few years but he has done a nice job rehabbing his reputation, somehow.


Dykstra, on the other hand...
   34. Mike A Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:08 PM (#4551397)
Some Atlanta fans like Rocker, sure. I'm not sure why that's a surprise. If he played for the Mets, there would be plenty of Met fans that liked him.

It's tough between Murphy and Aaron for most beloved Brave, but I think I agree with the Murphy selection. I mean, Murphy was pretty much *the* face of Atlanta in the 80s. Everyone loved Murph.

Most despised (at least presently) would probably be Melky Cabrera, though for me it's B**t B***e.
   35. TerpNats Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:08 PM (#4551398)
Actually, I think they got it wrong with Mays for the Giants. Mays is properly revered as the god among mere mortals that he is. But for pure Belovedness Above Replacement, it's gotta be McCovey.
There are too many hills in San Francisco to properly play stickball.
   36. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:08 PM (#4551399)

Who is the most despised player for each MLB team?


Royals - Neifi Perez probably. Maybe Mark Davis.
   37. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:10 PM (#4551401)
I'm going to agree with McCovey over Mays. I think it was certainly that way when they played. And nothing against Mays, but a lot of the early SF fans didn't fully embrace Mays because he'd come from New York. McCovey was the first Giants superstar that started his career with the San Francisco Giants.
   38. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:10 PM (#4551404)
Santo over Banks, Cubs fans?


No freakin' way.
   39. Brian C Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:10 PM (#4551405)
Santo over Banks, Cubs fans?

Tough to say. Everyone loves Ernie but I think the article makes a good point that Santo's career as a broadcaster (not to mention his decades-long sympathy-generating HOF campaign) gave him a personal connection to people that Ernie doesn't quite have.

   40. smileyy Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:11 PM (#4551406)

And was Dunn really all that despised by Reds fans, or are we transferring Marty Brenneman's feelings about him to the fan base?


Yeah, I'm not sure how much Brennaman brought the fans around to his side. I'm blanking on anyone else who even potentially drew the ire of the fans, and has a strong team association.
   41. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:11 PM (#4551407)
Jim Coates.

Man, that's really dating yourself, but yeah, he'd be right up there (or down there) with whatever Yankee fans would still remember him, plus any living opponents of his who survived his headhunting expeditions.
   42. Baldrick Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:12 PM (#4551408)
Most despised for Seattle: Bobby Ayala?

Possibly A-Rod for a few years there but it seems like people have mostly got over that one.
   43. tfbg9 Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:12 PM (#4551409)
Red Sox: Buckner? Too easy? OK...Hillebrand? Kim? The Pantload?
Yankees: Horace Clarke? Pavano?
   44. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:13 PM (#4551410)
Santo over Banks, Cubs fans?


Tough to say. Everyone loves Ernie but I think the article makes a good point that Santo's career as a broadcaster (not to mention his decades-long sympathy-generating HOF campaign) gave him a personal connection to people that Ernie doesn't quite have.

I think that just like Brooks and Cal among Orioles fans, if you put Santo and Banks up to a three way vote among Cubs fans with "tie" the third choice, the tie would win almost unanimously.
   45. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:15 PM (#4551415)
Historically, the Cubs have had a lot of players who would fall into the "beloved" category: Hartnet, Grimm, Cavaretta, Hack, Banks, Santo, Dawson. But Banks is on a different level entirely.
   46. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:16 PM (#4551417)
Yankees: Horace Clarke? Pavano?

Maybe Pavano, but certainly not Horace Clarke. Clarke was more like the Marv Throneberry of the Yankees**, a symbol of their then-mediocrity. He was booed a lot, but only for professional reasons.

**Who actually came up as a highly touted Yankee prospect before reality set in.
   47. tfbg9 Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:17 PM (#4551418)
Horace Clarke was a good player for 4 seasons.
   48. zonk Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:19 PM (#4551419)
Santo over Banks, Cubs fans?


It's probably closer than one might think at first glance... I'm a traditionalist, so I think I'd say Banks... but Santo isn't a wrong choice.

I'm kind of surprised that Boog Powell wasn't mentioned for the O's... knowing a couple Baltimore fans, they seem to see Boog the same way Cubs fans see Santo.

As far the most despised Cub:

I think the BTF contingent most likely votes for Neifi. That's probably a good choice. Other Cubs despised candidates would include Danny Jackson, Milton Bradley, and a whole host of closers - LaTroy Hawkins, Dave Smith, Mel Rojas, and believe it or not -- Lee Smith... Capt Tightpants, too, I guess
   49. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:20 PM (#4551422)
Longoria for the Rays. Is there even another option? McGriff?

Actually, the most beloved Ray will be the one that hits the walk-off HR in the 7th game of the 2013 World Series.
   50. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:21 PM (#4551423)
Rickey is obvious for the A's, but for most hated, I don't really know. Maybe Ruben Sierra? I know Bill King hated him. A's fans don't hate Dave Kingman as much as the fans for all the other teams he played for I don't think. Brian Fuentes rehabilitated himself by getting Bob Geren fired. I think Troy Neel is loathsome but I don't think about him much.
   51. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:22 PM (#4551424)
Horace Clarke was a good player for 4 seasons.

Which is another reason I was surprised when you linked him with Pavano.
   52. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:23 PM (#4551426)
Atlanta probably is Melky, though my first thoughts were Andres Thomas and Jim Presley.

Troy Neel was one of my favorite players ... until I knew more about him.
   53. Publius Publicola Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:23 PM (#4551427)
For Red Sox fans, Pesky over Big Papi?
   54. Brian C Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:25 PM (#4551431)
I think that just like Brooks and Cal among Orioles fans, if you put Santo and Banks up to a three way vote among Cubs fans with "tie" the third choice, the tie would win almost unanimously.

Maybe. My feeling is that there's a generational dynamic at play, too ... Banks is the old guy that only a relative few fans really remember or have any personal connection to except knowing him as a figurehead. Santo's got a more immediate connection.

Plus, and I don't mean to be flippant about this, but Santo's dead, and I think that's a factor. When Banks passes one day, there will be a massive outpouring of love for him too, with weeks of media remembrances, team tributes, etc.
   55. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:25 PM (#4551432)
How about Ed Whitson or Kevin Brown for the Yankees.
   56. zonk Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:27 PM (#4551435)
I'm surprised it took this long to get Ed Whitson mentioned for hte Yankees...

I also surprised that I forgot to include Felix Heredia for the Cubs... and probably, ditto for every other team he's pitched for.
   57. Flynn Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:28 PM (#4551439)
Will Clark is definitely running up the list of Giants.

I love Will and all, but it seems like it's become cooler if you're in your late 20s to late 30s to say you were a Will Clark fan than a Barry Bonds fan.
   58. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:29 PM (#4551440)
I'm kind of surprised that Boog Powell wasn't mentioned for the O's... knowing a couple Baltimore fans, they seem to see Boog the same way Cubs fans see Santo.

For some reason Baltimore fans seem to have more beloved ex-players than almost any other city's team, and this also held for the Colts (Unitas, Art Donovan, Gino Marchetti, etc.) and probably the Ravens. And that "some reason" is that so many of the players, at least in the past, wound up settling into Baltimore during their careers and never left in retirement. Are any other cities like that?
   59. Publius Publicola Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:30 PM (#4551442)
I don't know why but for some reason, my favorite player of all time is Tris Speaker. I guess it's just because he had a cool sounding name and he was even better on defense than he was on offense. And his offense was pretty awesome.

I think I would have enjoyed dead all era baseball quite a bit, with all the running and bunting and balls being put in play.
   60. Brian C Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:32 PM (#4551447)
As far the most despised Cub:

I think the BTF contingent most likely votes for Neifi. That's probably a good choice. Other Cubs despised candidates would include Danny Jackson, Milton Bradley, and a whole host of closers - LaTroy Hawkins, Dave Smith, Mel Rojas, and believe it or not -- Lee Smith... Capt Tightpants, too, I guess

There was some frustration with Lee Smith back in the day that I'm dimly aware of, but my feeling is that it was relatively minor and all long since forgotten and people like him now. I can't imagine any Cubs fan saying "Lee Smith" when asking them their most despised Cub. Sosa would get votes, though.

I also feel that Farnsworth is regarded as a doofus but not really despised.

Hawkins, yes, as much as anyone I can remember in my time. Soriano was heading down the same path but improbably reinvented himself as a valued veteran leader.

You know who I always disliked for no real reason? Joe Girardi.
   61. G.W.O. Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:33 PM (#4551450)
Don't know about most despised Mariner. ARod was hated because of the manner of his departure, but loved while he was an M.
Can we get another vote for Carl Everett?, given that he only played half a season...
   62. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:34 PM (#4551452)
Lot of members of the Cubs F-Troop to choose from. Tom Goodwin, but he got that hit that one time. Lenny Harris. Macias, Neifi, Tony Womack, Augie Ojeda.

Other recent possible choices: Todd Hundley, Jim Edmonds, LaTroy Hawkins.
   63. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:35 PM (#4551457)
For Red Sox fans, Pesky over Big Papi?


Without a doubt. Nothing against Ortiz who is incredibly popular in his own right but up until his death last year Pesky was just adored by everyone. Like most people around the Boston area I had a couple of opportunities to interact with Pesky and he was just an incredibly nice person.

Who is the most despised player for each MLB team?

Boston - Everett


The first name that popped into my head was Bob Stanley.
   64. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:35 PM (#4551458)
Who is the most despised player for each MLB team?
Angels - Mo Vaughn
   65. zonk Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:35 PM (#4551459)

There was some frustration with Lee Smith back in the day that I'm dimly aware of, but my feeling is that it was relatively minor and all long since forgotten and people like him now. I can't imagine any Cubs fan saying "Lee Smith" when asking them their most despised Cub. Sosa would get votes, though.


There's the Garvey HR, of course -- but I guess my recollection and what I remember from others when Lee got traded was more "FINALLY!" rather than "damn!".

Maybe you're right - perhaps it's less "hated" and more "surprisingly disliked"
   66. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:37 PM (#4551462)
It's tough between Murphy and Aaron for most beloved Brave, but I think I agree with the Murphy selection. I mean, Murphy was pretty much *the* face of Atlanta in the 80s. Everyone loved Murph


I'd say Murph is the most beloved Atlanta Brave, while Aaron is the most respected Brave. I'd like to argue Aaron as the most beloved Brave of all time, all three cities included, but he faced a lot of racism in both Milwaukee and Atlanta.

As for despised, no one really stands out as a villain from the early years; Rocker was a mouth breathing fool, but he beat the Mets in 1999 and pissed them of fin the process, plus a lot of the local "don't tread on me" good ol' boy types still have a spot in their hearts for him. I'd go with Melky. It's recent and he was only here for a season, but pretty much everyone who loves the Braves hates that guy with the passion of a thousand suns.
   67. zonk Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:37 PM (#4551463)
Todd Hundley should definitely be added to the Cubs list... Though, love for his dad probably saves him from beating anyone out on the hated list.
   68. PreservedFish Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:39 PM (#4551467)
I would go with Bonilla for the Mets.
   69. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:40 PM (#4551470)
For some reason Baltimore fans seem to have more beloved ex-players than almost any other city's team, and this also held for the Colts (Unitas, Art Donovan, Gino Marchetti, etc.) and probably the Ravens. And that "some reason" is that so many of the players, at least in the past, wound up settling into Baltimore during their careers and never left in retirement. Are any other cities like that?


Well, I already listed a passel of Cubs. White Sox have Baines, Konerko, Appling, Fox. Bears have Sayers, Payton, Dan Hampton, Ditka. Blackhawks have Hull, Mikita, Savard (don't follow them much, but those 3 come to mind).
   70. Brian C Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:40 PM (#4551471)
Damn, I forgot about Todd Hundley. Now there's a guy who was genuinely despised, I don't care who his dad was.
   71. Steve Treder Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:41 PM (#4551474)
it seems like it's become cooler if you're in your late 20s to late 30s to say you were a Will Clark fan than a Barry Bonds fan.

That's just hipster contrarianism, Flynn.
   72. Publius Publicola Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:46 PM (#4551481)
I realize this only applies to living fans but don't you think Mathewson should give Mays a run for his money?
   73. gehrig97 Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:48 PM (#4551485)
Hmm. Frank thomas as most beloved for the Sox? I don't buy it. The media turned on him during the second half of his tenure with the team, and I certainly don't ever recall a Puckett-esque love affair with the fans.

Most hated (pick a team): Bobby Bonilla.
   74. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:49 PM (#4551486)
For some reason Baltimore fans seem to have more beloved ex-players than almost any other city's team, and this also held for the Colts (Unitas, Art Donovan, Gino Marchetti, etc.) and probably the Ravens. And that "some reason" is that so many of the players, at least in the past, wound up settling into Baltimore during their careers and never left in retirement. Are any other cities like that?


Notable Royals that are still in the community: George Brett, Frank White, Willie Wilson, Joe Randa, Kevin Appier, Kevin Seitzer, Mike MacFarlane, Paul Splittorff (RIP), Dennis Leonard, John Wathan, John Mayberry, Fred Patek, Jeff Montgomery, Brian McRae, Mike Boddicker.

Chiefs: Len Dawson, Neil Smith, Bobby Bell, Trent Green, Eddie Kennison, Bill Maas, Rich Baldinger, Kendall Gammon.
   75. Lassus Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:51 PM (#4551490)
I would go with Bonilla for the Mets.

Meh. That feels influenced by our time here. Is he more despised than Roger Cedeno? Or Kenny Rogers?
   76. alkeiper Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:53 PM (#4551492)
Phillies, I think Billy Wagner ranks among the most disliked. Maybe Jonathan Papelbon when he leaves. And Scott Rolen for the usual nonsensical reasons.
   77. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:53 PM (#4551493)
Frank thomas as most beloved for the Sox? I don't buy it. The media turned on him during the second half of his tenure with the team, and I certainly don't ever recall a Puckett-esque love affair with the fans.


Yeah, I'd go with Baines. Hell, they retired his number while he was still active.
   78. Jim Wisinski Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:53 PM (#4551494)
Longoria for the Rays. Is there even another option? McGriff?


Carl Crawford was very popular during his tenure here but signing with Boston hurts that, plus he was at times a frustrating player to watch at the plate and when he gets interviewed you realize that, to be brutally honest, he's not one of the sharper guys around. I would say that James Shields is easily the most popular pitcher, Price's popularity is high of course but I think Shields is still way ahead of him; one factor in this may be that Shields was traded away by the team against his will while everyone just assumes that Price will be leaving for a big free agent deal once he's eligible. The dark horse candidate is Carlos Pena, everyone around here loves the guy and there was a lot of happiness when he was brought back in 2012. I think the only reason I would definitely put Longoria as most beloved is that Pena struggled so badly in his return.

Most despised for Rays fans is easily Vinny Castilla. Just about everyone here hates that guy.
   79. zonk Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:54 PM (#4551495)
If AG1F is right and Neifi wins most despised Royal -- and while other names have been mentioned, I feel pretty sure Neifi would win for the Cubs... Does that make Neifi the only guy despised for multiple teams? Heredia is another candidate.

Any guys who have a prayer - or even just belong on the shortlist - for most beloved for multiple orgs?

Maddux comes to mind for me... but he's just on the list, not really a challenger to Murphy/Aaron/whomever on the Braves nor Banks/Santo/etc on the Cubs.
   80. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 26, 2013 at 04:57 PM (#4551499)
I think the only reason I would definitely put Longoria as most beloved is that Pena struggled so badly in his return.


Well, and this. They have a portion of the LF seating area where the ball landed dedicated to that hit.

edit: Just noticed I was responding to our resident Rays expert, who I am sure is aware of all of the above.
   81. Jim Wisinski Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:04 PM (#4551507)
Well yes, game 162 helps a bit for sure! By all accounts Longoria is a great guy, he doesn't get into trouble off the field, never makes an ass of himself on it, and is great with the fans. Pena is just at another level though, he's one of the truly great people in the game and you can see on the field how much his teammates liked him and how much he just enjoyed being there. He was a great ambassador to the fans for the team and was viewed as one of the clubhouse leaders as the franchise turned itself around. Plus there was that amazing season to close out the Devil Rays (and losing) years, that kind of things sticks in people's memories.
   82. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:04 PM (#4551508)

Any guys who have a prayer - or even just belong on the shortlist - for most beloved for multiple orgs?


Frank Robinson (CIN/BAL), Randy Johnson (ARI/SEA), Curt Schilling (ARI/BOS), Larry Walker (MTL/COL), Andre Dawson (MTL/CHC), Pedro Martinez (BOS/MTL) come to mind, but they're not the top. They're maybe top five for both franchises.

Does that make Neifi the only guy despised for multiple teams?


A-Rod.
   83. Worrierking Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:09 PM (#4551513)
Trying to think of the most-hated Cardinal. Neil Allen? Garry Templeton? Dick Allen? Surely I am forgetting some loathesome individuals.
   84. Jim Wisinski Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:11 PM (#4551516)
Well, and this. They have a portion of the LF seating area where the ball landed dedicated to that hit.


That wall is actually a funny twist of fate. It used to be the same height as the rest of the outfield wall but the team had it lowered because they were hoping it would give Carl Crawford a chance to make a few spectacular home-run robbing catches (as far as I know he never did though). Crawford leaves for the Red Sox and the next season the reduced height of the wall was possibly the reason the Rays make the playoffs instead of Boston.
   85. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:12 PM (#4551518)
I'd choose Minnie Minoso for the White Sox. Baines, Konerko, and probably still Guillen are more beloved than Thomas too.
   86. Rennie's Tenet Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:14 PM (#4551520)
I think Adam Laroche would get some negative support among Pirate fans. Just about all his production would come in the second half after the Pirates were buried, and he showed nothing in the way of "fire." Add in some reflected frustration from his brother, and Adam has a pretty strong case.
   87. TerpNats Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:16 PM (#4551521)
In the "respected rather than beloved" list, I would think Mike Schmidt for the Phillies. Great player, of course, one of the smartest in pure baseball sense, but until 1985 or so he never drew the local affection that a player of his stature warranted. Of course, you could say the same thing about Ted Williams for much of his career with the Bosox, but Schmitty never was that sort of a lightning rod.
   88. zonk Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:18 PM (#4551523)
Trying to think of the most-hated Cardinal. Neil Allen? Garry Templeton? Dick Allen? Surely I am forgetting some loathesome individuals.


All of them!

Oh, right... only fans of the given team can vote :-)
   89. Dale Sams Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:18 PM (#4551524)
They have a portion of the LF seating area where the ball landed dedicated to that hit.


Some Sox fans at OTM were snarking about that in a recent series...(Sigh) didn't take long for hubris to make a come back.
   90. Dale Sams Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:22 PM (#4551530)
Trying to think of the most-hated Cardinal. Neil Allen? Garry Templeton? Dick Allen? Surely I am forgetting some loathesome individuals.


J.D. Drew by default?
   91. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:25 PM (#4551537)
Clearly te most hated cardinal is Pete kozma
   92. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:28 PM (#4551539)
Biggio, Salmon, Rickey, Edgar, I-Rod


I spent more time than I care to admit trying to figure out what American League team Craig Biggio played for.
   93. jdennis Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:33 PM (#4551544)
Hmm. Frank thomas as most beloved for the Sox? I don't buy it. The media turned on him during the second half of his tenure with the team, and I certainly don't ever recall a Puckett-esque love affair with the fans.


Agree. Konerko was openly trashing him as a person at the end. I was not on Konerko's side on that one and found it petty and piggish. All the same, the three old timey infielders were all more loved, so was Pierce. I don't doubt Faber, Walsh, or Lyons either. For the White Sox, the proper selection would be old school.
   94. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:33 PM (#4551545)
That wall is actually a funny twist of fate. It used to be the same height as the rest of the outfield wall but the team had it lowered because they were hoping it would give Carl Crawford a chance to make a few spectacular home-run robbing catches (as far as I know he never did though). Crawford leaves for the Red Sox and the next season the reduced height of the wall was possibly the reason the Rays make the playoffs instead of Boston.


Wasn't that portion of the wall called "The Crawford Cutout" for a few years?
   95. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:35 PM (#4551547)
Phillies, I think Billy Wagner ranks among the most disliked. Maybe Jonathan Papelbon when he leaves. And Scott Rolen for the usual nonsensical reasons.


Huh. I would have put the most hated "Phillie" as J.D. Drew, no questions asked.
   96. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:39 PM (#4551551)
Huh. I would have put the most hated "Phillie" as J.D. Drew, no questions asked.


That would make John Elway the most hated Colt.
   97. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:40 PM (#4551554)
Phils:

All the above mentioned are good picks, and add Bobby Abreu.

MiniMart has made a strong showing in abbreviated playing time.

For DespisePointsPerRosterDay, elmn Young made a sensational run this year. But I think he'll fade from memory and that hatred will transfer to Ruben Amaro.
   98. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:41 PM (#4551555)
I'd sort of rather do these by city than franchise, in which case frank Howard wins for Washington.

Who for Montreal? Carter? Rusty staub?
   99. villageidiom Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:48 PM (#4551560)
The first name that popped into my head was Bob Stanley.
I think Stanley was despised back in the day, but time and perspective have healed a lot of those wounds. That, and if we're focused on "back in the day" Julio Lugo was despised far more, and pretty much throughout his entire duration with the team.

Stanley was despised kind of like Matsuzaka was. He was a frustrating pitcher in the moment, but actually did OK.

But, yeah, Carl Everett. Time has not healed that one.
   100. Mefisto Posted: September 26, 2013 at 05:48 PM (#4551563)
It we're including the whole history of the franchise, then Mathewson and Ott would be serious candidates for the Giants. I'm going to disagree a bit with Steve and others about the Mays/McCovey issue. That was true at first and for a long time, but I think it's evened out now.
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