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Monday, July 16, 2012

Sports Ilustrated: Poll: Most Underrated Position Player

Sports Illustrated asked 228 MLB players to choose the most underrated position player in baseball. Here are the results:

#1
Michael Young
Texas Rangers

The District Attorney Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:16 PM | 66 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Guapo Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:16 AM (#4184639)
Since I hate slideshows with a passion, in order for others to avoid having to click the link:

1. Michael Young
2. Howie Kendrick
3. Paul Konerko
4. Shin-Soo Choo
5. Gerardo Parra
6. Nick Markakis
7. Ben Zobrist
8. Alex Gordon
9. Ian Kinsler
10. Miguel Montero
11. Derek Jeter. No, just making sure you're still paying attention. Martin Prado
12. Cliff Pennington
13. Jamey Carroll
14. Robinson Cano
15. Asdrubal Cabrera
   2. Jason Michael(s) Bourn Identity Crisis Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:16 AM (#4184640)
Apparently DH is a position now.
   3. JJ1986 Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:19 AM (#4184644)
Young is obviously a horrid choice, but a lot of the other guys on the list are really good picks. Choo especially is almost certainly the real "most underrated" player.
   4. Kyle S at work Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:24 AM (#4184658)
Cliff Pennington? Konerko has a decent claim at deserving #1 here.

My vote is McCutchen. He may be the best player in baseball right now. How many non-serious baseball fans have even heard of him before (the way they would have heard of Pujols, say, or Barry Bonds)?
   5. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:25 AM (#4184659)
From 2009 to today, WAR by position players:

1. Albert Pujols
2. Ben ############# Zobrist

I'll go ahead and say that, yeah, Ben Zobrist may have a case for the most underrated player in baseball.
   6. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:26 AM (#4184661)
kinsler is your classic dick mcauliffe type who just does so much to help you win. kinsler walks less but is way better on the bases.

ben zobrist is another guy. just always pushing you over the finish line.

a guy who i think deserves a mention is corey hart. corey hits up and down the lineup including leadoff. he has been a right fielder mostly but early on filled in at center and when gamel went down took over first base and has been great. in the lineup 140 odd games a year. always hustles. and nobody in the organization thought he was worth a tinkers darn even though at every level he hit.
   7. zonk Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:33 AM (#4184669)
Since I hate slideshows with a passion, in order for others to avoid having to click the link:


This.

Come on, Apple -- would just finish off Adobe and Flash already? Bane of the internet...
   8. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:39 AM (#4184671)
Choo especially is almost certainly the real "most underrated" player.
I agree that he's ridiculously underrated, but he may not even be the most underrated player on the Indians.

Jason Kipnis is a hell of a ballplayer and still completely under the radar. In his first 537 MLB plate appearances, he's got an OPS+ of 120, has stolen 25 bases at a success rate approaching 90%, has hit 18 home runs, gotten on base at a .346 clip, and by every objective measure has been a borderline excellent defensive second baseman. He could easily hit .280 with 20 homers, 30 steals, a .350 OBP, and lead AL second basemen in Total Zone Runs this season.
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:44 AM (#4184673)
What about Bobby Abreu?????
   10. Nasty Nate Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:50 AM (#4184680)
I'm surprised to see him at the top of this list, but Young would be prominent on an Underrated at BBTF.ORG list.
   11. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:56 AM (#4184688)
I had no idea Jason Kipnis even existed.
   12. The Good Face Posted: July 17, 2012 at 10:06 AM (#4184702)
I'm surprised to see him at the top of this list, but Young would be prominent on an Underrated at BBTF.ORG list.


Wait, wha? Young has a decent case for the worst player in MLB right now. He's hitting an empty .273, good for an OPS+ of 72. He has no speed, no power, doesn't draw walks, and is a disastrous defender at every single position, including 1B. bWAR has him at -1.9 in 86 games. fWAR at -1.0. The guy stinks on ice by any measure.
   13. Nasty Nate Posted: July 17, 2012 at 10:15 AM (#4184713)
Wait, wha? Young has a decent case for the worst player in MLB right now.


I should have been clearer: I didn't mean right now, I kind of meant over the years ... kind of a lifetime achievement award of BBTF underratedness.

...and yet even though he's having a terrible year, you still manage to sell him a little short. There is no way in hell he is the worst player in MLB right now, although if you amend to say the worst starting player he might have a case.
   14. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 17, 2012 at 10:23 AM (#4184720)
People like Kipnis illustrate how "underrated" depends entirely on who you're talking to. Even though I don't have a fantasy team I seem to find myself reading and hearing a lot of media aimed at the fantasy audience, and before the season Kipnis was one of the very top "You should draft this guy" players, and with the season he's having he's one of the very top "Let me tell you how smart I am, I drafted this guy" players.. Being a second baseman, shortstop or catcher means you'll never be underrated to the fantasy audience.
   15. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 17, 2012 at 10:29 AM (#4184729)
From 2009 to today, WAR by position players:

1. Albert Pujols
2. Ben ############# Zobrist


Not that he isn't underrated (though he's gotten MVP votes twice), but Ben Zobrist is on the Brett Lawrie list of guys who get about 450 extra dWAR a season under the new system by being used in shifts all the time.
   16. JJ1986 Posted: July 17, 2012 at 10:36 AM (#4184737)
re: Kipnis

Maybe I pay too much attention to the draft, but I hardly ever consider anyone who was a high draft pick or top draft prospect to be underrated, at least not until years later when he's failed enough to be poorly regarded.
   17. The Good Face Posted: July 17, 2012 at 10:37 AM (#4184740)
I should have been clearer: I didn't mean right now, I kind of meant over the years ... kind of a lifetime achievement award of BBTF underratedness.


Maybe, he was a pretty good player for a while, but I think he got about the right amount of respect from statheads.

...and yet even though he's having a terrible year, you still manage to sell him a little short. There is no way in hell he is the worst player in MLB right now, although if you amend to say the worst starting player he might have a case.


Yeah, there are no doubt some bench scrubs who are probably worse than Young on a per game basis, but their teams have the good sense not to run them out there every day. Texas seems screwed though... benching Young might lead to a clubhouse revolt since he's the Face of the Franchise and is apparently a LEADER OF MEN. Trading him is impossible; he's a 10/5 guy getting paid a lot of money through 2013. I guess the best they can do is hope for a pulled hamstring or something.
   18. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 17, 2012 at 10:38 AM (#4184741)
I'm not sure McCutchen is very underrated anymore. I think if the voting were taken at the All-Star Break he would have won the MVP Award--and now with Votto set to miss the next month, he has a good chance to win the MVP Award even when the Pirates finish 76-86 or whatever. He might be underrated, but only slightly, only in the "people think he's merely a superstar but in fact he is possibly the best baseball player in the world right now" sense.

It's unbelievable since he's the best player on baseball's most relentlessly famous team, but Robinson Cano is similarly underrated, probably because he's a Bobby Grich type--he does everything very well, but nothing spectacularly well.
   19. JJ1986 Posted: July 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM (#4184747)
Robinson Cano is similarly underrated, probably because he's a Bobby Grich type--he does everything very well, but nothing spectacularly well.


Some prominent media guy (McCarver maybe?) insists that Cano is the best hitter for average in baseball.
   20. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM (#4184751)
Some prominent media guy (McCarver maybe?) insists that Cano is the best hitter for average in baseball.
Which is plainly untrue. I've espoused this view elsewhere on the site, but I think Cano is underrated because--especially after his second year when he hit .342--people decided that hitting for average was his best skill. Instead, he's added a ton of power and improved his batting eye. So there's this notion that he's still not quite living up to his potential because he isn't hitting .350 or something, while overlooking the home runs and everything else.

(I'm aware this is only to a small degree; obviously Cano is far less underrated than guys like Kipnis and Choo.)
   21. Nasty Nate Posted: July 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM (#4184752)
Texas seems screwed though... benching Young might lead to a clubhouse revolt since he's the Face of the Franchise and is apparently a LEADER OF MEN. Trading him is impossible; he's a 10/5 guy getting paid a lot of money through 2013. I guess the best they can do is hope for a pulled hamstring or something.


Or they can make the safe bet that his hitting will improve to expected levels (or near) and not judge who he is based on 370 PA's....

If he performs at around 95-105 OPS+ in the second half with the ability to fill in at several infield positions he has some value.
   22. SoSH U at work Posted: July 17, 2012 at 10:50 AM (#4184755)
I figured Chase Headley would show up on this list somewhere.
   23. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM (#4184766)
When you're the only plausible All-Star on your team, and instead of you the NL manager chooses a pitcher who's thrown 24 innings ... and David Freese instead of you as the third 3B ... and Cliff Pennington gets chosen over you on the Most Underrated Position Player list ... you just might be underrated.
   24. The Good Face Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:05 AM (#4184772)
Or they can make the safe bet that his hitting will improve to expected levels (or near) and not judge who he is based on 370 PA's....


What do you expect his hitting to improve to? His numbers last year were fueled by a career high BABIP, but if you look at his career from 2009, his ISO, BB%, and Secondary Average have fallen every single year. He's 35 years old (36 in October) and has played 1200 games in the middle infield. He might be getting a bit unlucky with BABIP so far, but he's also getting to that age where players lose it. I think it's entirely possible that he's just done.

If he performs at around 95-105 OPS+ in the second half with the ability to fill in at several infield positions he has some value.


A utility IF who hits like that would have some value, assuming he could actually field an IF position. Young is a butcher at 1B, and worse at every other position. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a 100 OPS+ Young was less valuable than a more traditional good glove/bad bat utility IF.
   25. Natty Fan Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:06 AM (#4184773)
I consider myself current on the performance of teams and players in MLB. People in my office consider me the baseball "expert."

I had no idea that Robinson Cano was underrated by ANYONE at this point. I tell folks all the time that he's the best 2B in baseball, and the best hitter on the Yankees. Who, other than the odd deranged Yankees fan, believes Cano is anything other than a top-20 player?

And in what world is Jamey Carroll worthy of any kind of rating?
   26. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM (#4184782)
It's like McCutchen, though. Cano isn't merely a top-20 player, he's a top-5 player. He's probably THE best player in baseball if you believe he's the awesome glove +/- says he is.
   27. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:14 AM (#4184786)
Once you get to the point that everyone knows who he is and everyone knows he's a big star, I don't think it matters whether the average fan thinks he's an actual MVP candidate or not. That is so influenced by team narrative, so-called leadership role, history of big-game moments, that sort of thing.
   28. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:17 AM (#4184793)
That's a good point, Crispix. In my mind, like everything else, I put overrated/underratedness on a scale and think in terms of "OK, Cano player is perceived as a 65 player but he's actually an 80 player so his Underrated Factor is 15.... Kipnis is perceived as a 40 player but he's actually a 60 player so his Underrated Factor is 20..."
   29. Nasty Nate Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:28 AM (#4184806)
What do you expect his hitting to improve to?


He will probably have a 95-105 OPS+ from here on out. That is more likely than he is "done" as a hitter. How many mid-thirties players have to bounce back from rough stretches before everyone re-learns the small sample size lesson? Ortiz was "done", Konerko has been "done" several times, Dunn is "done," Thome was "done" way back in 2005 etc etc etc etc etc

I don't know about Young's fielding, but I am skeptical that it is as bad as you say.
   30. PreservedFish Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:36 AM (#4184815)
You cannot forget that reputation lags behind production, as well it should. In June McCutchen was the same guy he'd always been, a very good young player that nobody would have ever thought to bring up in a debate about who the best player in baseball is. You can't pin a claim to serial underratedness on how hot the dude has been in the last couple months.
   31. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:46 AM (#4184827)
Well, yeah, McCutchen is the same guy he'd always been with an extra .050 laid onto his slash stats courtesy of the whims of BABIP.

I might be wrong about his MVP chances after the Pirates crash and burn (partly helped by his BABIP failing to remain as high in the second half as it was in the first) and are no longer an interesting story.
   32. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:49 AM (#4184834)
natty

carroll is a really good defender as well as being a nice guy and players put a lot of stock in that combo

craig counsell stayed in the majors forever because of this mix
   33. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:50 AM (#4184837)
Who, other than the odd deranged Yankees fan, believes Cano is anything other than a top-20 player?


there is this certain deranged Redsox fan who used to post here....

   34. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:52 AM (#4184838)
Harveys: Ah, so he's a Willie Bloomquist All Star, then?
   35. andrewberg Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:55 AM (#4184842)
carroll is a really good defender as well as being a nice guy and players put a lot of stock in that combo


Yeah, due to his surprising on-base skills and outstanding defense, he is probably more of a solid utility infielder rather than a garden variety 25th man. I suppose that makes him underrated if you thought of him as the latter.
   36. TerpNats Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:00 PM (#4184854)
If Cano (aka the new Utley) is underrated, it's a by-product of the position he plays. Second basemen aren't supposed to hit for power...but wasn't that what we were saying about shortstops three decades ago?
   37. The Good Face Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:00 PM (#4184855)
He will probably have a 95-105 OPS+ from here on out. That is more likely than he is "done" as a hitter. How many mid-thirties players have to bounce back from rough stretches before everyone re-learns the small sample size lesson? Ortiz was "done", Konerko has been "done" several times, Dunn is "done," Thome was "done" way back in 2005 etc etc etc etc etc


All those guys are 1B/DH types who were/are much, much better than Young as hitters. Young spent most of his playing time in the middle infield and has a career OPS+ of 105. You're comparing apples to wheelbarrows here.

Is it possible he'll rebound and hit better than a 72 OPS+ clip through the rest of the year? Sure. But expecting an aging middle infielder on a clear declining trajectory, and who was never really that good a hitter to begin with, to put up his career average numbers going forward is wrongheaded. The real problem for Texas of course is that even if he could hit at his career average, he'd still be a bad player due to his terrible defense and lack of speed.
   38. Nasty Nate Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4184890)
All those guys are 1B/DH types who were/are much, much better than Young as hitters. Young spent most of his playing time in the middle infield and has a career OPS+ of 105. You're comparing apples to wheelbarrows here.


The majority of his playing time in the past 2 years has been ... 1B+DH. Granted those guys are of a different class of hitter than Young, but c'mon at worst I'm comparing Granny Smith apples to red delicious.

But expecting an aging middle infielder on a clear declining trajectory....


Isn't that what Young was after 2008 after putting up OPS+'s of 131, 108, 106, and 95 in the prior years? His declining trajectory is only so clear right now if you choose the smallest sample size of data to look at to confirm that this is the moment when age caught up to him. You are right that 95-105 OPS+ for rest of season is probably too optimistic, but to grudgingly say that him besting an OPS+ of 72 for the rest of the year is only a possibility and not the overwhelming likelihood just strengthens my view of him as underrated here.
   39. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:51 PM (#4184920)
carroll is a weird looking guy with that jack nicholson in the shining smile

here'ssssssss jamey
   40. The Good Face Posted: July 17, 2012 at 01:23 PM (#4184965)
Isn't that what Young was after 2008 after putting up OPS+'s of 131, 108, 106, and 95 in the prior years?


In 2008 he was 31 years old and a shortstop. Now he's 35 and a 1B/DH with a 72 OPS+.

You are right that 95-105 OPS+ for rest of season is probably too optimistic, but to grudgingly say that him besting an OPS+ of 72 for the rest of the year is only a possibility and not the overwhelming likelihood just strengthens my view of him as underrated here.


You're most likely right that he can be expected to be better than a 72 OPS+, but so what? Michael Young putting up a 90 OPS+ is still pretty much a worthless player.
   41. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: July 17, 2012 at 01:36 PM (#4184978)
People like Kipnis illustrate how "underrated" depends entirely on who you're talking to. Even though I don't have a fantasy team


When I quit playing fantasy baseball I seriously lost track of who the hell was supposed to be good on the other teams.

With that said, Martin Prado is pretty underrated. He's excellent offensively and defensively and multiple positions (LF, 3B, 2B.)
   42. with Glavinesque control and Madduxian poise Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4185023)
With that said, Martin Prado is pretty underrated. He's excellent offensively and defensively and multiple positions (LF, 3B, 2B.)


Prado is not a good defensive 2B, though an excellent defensive 3B. His LF is still kinda unclear, I think, though he certainly looks like quite a good LF.
   43. McCoy Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:09 PM (#4185026)
I'll go ahead and say that, yeah, Ben Zobrist may have a case for the most underrated player in baseball.

It helps that the Rays shift and DRS didn't know how to handle that. From 2009 to 2011 WAR has given him 70 runs for his fielding. He now is at 2 runs above this year.
   44. Esoteric Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:17 PM (#4185037)
I know it's OT since this poll was only about position players, but I think you can make a case that Jordan Zimmermann is the most underrated pitcher in the National League (if not the majors as a whole), as a measure of his reputation relative to his performance.
   45. Nasty Nate Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:29 PM (#4185057)
You're most likely right that he can be expected to be better than a 72 OPS+, but so what?


Well, if he goes back to hitting .300 with doubles power, that alleviates the situation that Texas is in which you describe in #17 and it clearly puts him miles away from the worst player in baseball (getting back to the topic of the thread).
   46. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: July 17, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4185149)
I know it's OT since this poll was only about position players, but I think you can make a case that Jordan Zimmermann is the most underrated pitcher in the National League (if not the majors as a whole), as a measure of his reputation relative to his performance.


I think that's because a lot of people (me) see good things written about Zimmerman and assume (obviously without reading) that Ryan is the one being discussed. I mean, is it really all that hard to keep the Zimmermans on the team limited to one?

EDIT: I mean, at least the Joneses have finally stopped trying to post in all the same threads just to #### with people. Which is sad, I miss them.
   47. SoSH U at work Posted: July 17, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4185159)
I mean, is it really all that hard to keep the Zimmermans on the team limited to one?


They already are.

Which is sad, I miss them.


Now that's just uncalled for.

   48. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: July 17, 2012 at 03:59 PM (#4185176)
When you're the only plausible All-Star on your team, and instead of you the NL manager chooses a pitcher who's thrown 24 innings ... and David Freese instead of you as the third 3B ... and Cliff Pennington gets chosen over you on the Most Underrated Position Player list ... you just might be underrated.

I honestly had to read this 3-4 times to confirm that it wasn't written about Josh Reddick.
   49. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: July 17, 2012 at 04:04 PM (#4185182)
They already are.


Huh? Did I miss a trade? Or is it the single 'n' thing at the end of the name?

Now that's just uncalled for.


Why do you hate the Joneses?
   50. SoSH U at work Posted: July 17, 2012 at 04:15 PM (#4185186)

Or is it the single 'n' thing at the end of the name?


Just that.

Why do you hate the Joneses?


I don't hate all of them.



   51. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: July 17, 2012 at 04:33 PM (#4185200)
I'd like to nominate Josh Willingham. Most casual fans probably have never heard of the guy, he hops from one team to another, and all he does is quietly play his friggin' ass off everywhere he goes.
   52. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: July 17, 2012 at 04:40 PM (#4185204)
I don't hate all of them.


Sure, sure. Let me guess, just the foreign ones with vestigial tails?
   53. Delino DeShields & Yarnell Posted: July 17, 2012 at 05:55 PM (#4185288)
I figured Chase Headley would show up on this list somewhere.
He is on my teh awesome list as of a couple of weeks ago. Sunday Brewers game, Brewers ahead, late innings, Padres making several pitching changes. Some kid I never heard of gets a strikeout and as he is about to windup for next batter, Headley calls time, runs to the mound, takes ball out of his glove and tosses it nto dugout. Checked later, sure enough, kid's first out in the majors.
   54. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 17, 2012 at 06:22 PM (#4185308)
And that pitcher would be ... Brad Boxberger.
   55. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: July 17, 2012 at 06:29 PM (#4185311)
From 2009 to today, WAR by position players:

1. Albert Pujols
2. Ben ############# Zobrist


You can line the bird cage with WAR. If anybody, anyone, thinks Ben Zobrist is the 2nd most valuable player in baseball since 2009 please raise your hand.
   56. Astros Offensive Juggernaut Posted: July 17, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4185385)
"carroll is a weird looking guy with that jack nicholson in the shining smile

here'ssssssss jamey"

Is he as creepy as Joe "The Joker" Randa?

Just looked up his pic....weird in a different way. Carroll is wholesome crossed with creepy.
   57. alilisd Posted: July 18, 2012 at 12:27 AM (#4185733)
@53 Great story, thanks!

That Headley is not on this list is all the evidence you need to show he is one of the most underrated position players in the game.
   58. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2012 at 02:48 AM (#4185765)
When you're the only plausible All-Star on your team, and instead of you the NL manager chooses a pitcher who's thrown 24 innings ... and David Freese instead of you as the third 3B ... and Cliff Pennington gets chosen over you on the Most Underrated Position Player list ... you just might be underrated.

I honestly had to read this 3-4 times to confirm that it wasn't written about Josh Reddick.


I'm still trying to figure out who it's about. I'm trying to think of someone that David Freese being picked over, would be an insult......My guess is Chase Headley, but I really don't see any difference between the two players to the point that anyone can be upset about.
   59. RollingWave Posted: July 18, 2012 at 04:09 AM (#4185769)
If Cano (aka the new Utley) is underrated, it's a by-product of the position he plays. Second basemen aren't supposed to hit for power...but wasn't that what we were saying about shortstops three decades ago?


Please don't jinx Cano by saying the's the new Utley.... though unfortunately Utley is his top similar batter's comp in BR... and his most similar through age 28 comp is still Carlos Baerga (eeek)

On the bright side, Cano doesn't play in the same die hard matter as Utley usually does...

   60. NJ in DC Posted: July 18, 2012 at 09:40 AM (#4185864)
It's like McCutchen, though. Cano isn't merely a top-20 player, he's a top-5 player. He's probably THE best player in baseball if you believe he's the awesome glove +/- says he is.

This. Mainly because it makes me so happy.
   61. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: July 18, 2012 at 09:46 AM (#4185870)
No parent should ever name their boy-child "Chase."
   62. Moeball Posted: July 18, 2012 at 10:08 AM (#4185888)
I just find it ironic that a guy with a 0.365 OBA is named Chase.

   63. escabeche Posted: July 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM (#4185902)
Nick Markakis? Really? I love the guy, but at this point he's establshed a solid but unexceptional level of performance; if anything, I'd say he's overrated, because for a couple of years there it looked pretty likely he'd be a star. (Yeah, the power's back a bit this year, but it's a pretty small sample size.)

The most underrated Oriole right now is probably Wieters -- all the disappointment surrounding his failure to become an insta-MVP has obscured the fact that he's developed into one of the top catchers in the league at 26, and is only likely to get better.
   64. alilisd Posted: July 18, 2012 at 05:23 PM (#4186477)
My guess is Chase Headley, but I really don't see any difference between the two players to the point that anyone can be upset about.


Yes, it's Headley. LaRussa picked Street, who had pitched well but in extremely limited IP, over Headley, who was clearly the Padres representative. I don't think the poster was saying it was insulting Freese was picked over Headley or was upset about it, they were just offering it as evidence he's underrated. I was sure LaRussa would do it as he wouuld have good reason to reward/honor his WS MVP and could also add another arm to the roster by going that route. Still was sorry for Headley though; he truly deserved to go.
   65. alilisd Posted: July 18, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4186478)
I just find it ironic that a guy with a 0.365 OBA is named Chase.


Well, you could call him Count Full Count, as Padres announcer Mark Grant does. Grant is generally an entertaining and informative announcer despite the cheezy nickname.
   66. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 18, 2012 at 06:50 PM (#4186544)
'Full Count' would have been an awesome nickname for Brett Butler.

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